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Donleigh  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5461)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 9:13 PM

100 DAYS

So, who gets your vote? The old guy with the plan for more troops, or the guy with the questionable 'gas tax holiday'?
While Canadians don't get to vote, this is the second most important election of the year (turfing Harper in the fall is number one). Our economies are so closely tied that this almost recession will hurt us as well. I will vote for whoever has a plan for:

It's the economy, stupid.

Get our troops the hell out of....

Alternative energy sources and cleaner planes, trains, and automobiles.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 9:18 PM

Not a choice in my book dude. Illinois is BLUE...always have been, always will.

Damn Floridians always screw everything up. Just kidding guys...don't get your undies in a bunch.

Aside from my vote doesn't really count cause all of our delegates are voting Democratic anyway, I really can't take much more of this crap. Enough is enough. GO BLUE.


Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 9:48 PM

John McCain, of course.

Obama should come back in 15 years when he has DONE something.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 9:53 PM

Let the repubs stay in power and there may not be much to come back to in 15 years.

Besides, it's not about the White House, it's about the Supreme Court.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 9:53 PM

I'm voting for the old guy simply because I think he will do less damage in the long run. The liberal dude has a wife that scares me more than Kerrys did. I actually have quit listening to all the BS on both sides and have been entertained by the antics going on in the most corrupt city on earth. Detroit politics and the Bloated Buffoon who calls himself their leader are perfect examples of "stranger than fiction". It is so unbelievably disgusting it is almost funny.

Kaufman  (Level: 269.7 - Posts: 3943)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:05 PM

The problem with McCain is he's already done something.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:07 PM

Geesus..."DONE" something...can we talk about the current regime and what they've done with ALL their experience?

Donden, why does a "wife" with differing thoughts from the rest of society scare you? I think the more diverse the thoughts, the better off we are. God knows the current line of thinking has my 10 year old son in a war in 8 years.

Bring on the NEW, bring on the DIFFERENT, bring on EVERYTHING except business as usual. I know not one person that is better off now than they were 8 years ago.

I'm going into the "me" phase now.


Bleepy  (Level: 148.8 - Posts: 625)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:09 PM

I would love to see a copy of each of their resumes side-by-side. Really.... Plain and simple...No spin... Then... I would like to have a readable discription of their platforms and an explaination of how the goals could be accomplished....

Foogs  (Level: 282.5 - Posts: 848)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:16 PM

Without spin McCain is just a nice guy with no ideas.

Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 536)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:34 PM

Smaug - in 15 years Obama will have been president.

Spacecat  (Level: 165.1 - Posts: 676)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:35 PM

"turfing Harper in the fall is number one". As much as one could hope for a third party to emerge victorious in a Canadian election that is not the case. It is always a two party race. To turf Harper would mean to elect Dion. Here is a man who has problems expressing himself in English. He wants to impose a Carbon Tax and bring back a 7% GST. The last time the Liberals were in power they robbed the Canadian public to give to their friends. If you want more taxes, less disposable income then vote Liberal.
As for the the US election, one has only to look at the spectacle Obama Bin Ladin made of himself this weekend. He does seem to understand high power global politics. He will however tell the electorate that a vote for him is a vote for change and better times ahead with no concrete plan of how to go about it.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:46 PM

Obama bin Ladn??? That's disgusting.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:52 PM

Obama Bin Ladin?

Geesus man, get off your racist horse. It's EXACTLY that kind of BS that gets the legit conversations diluted into a murky abyss.


Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 10:56 PM

Of disgust.

Spacecat  (Level: 165.1 - Posts: 676)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:07 PM

Barrack Obama reminds me of another Democrat that came along after the Republicans had messed up the country. Nothing could be worse they said than Nixon and Ford. He had a great smile and flowery speeches and offered change and hope. He had done a lot as Governor but was a failure as President.
Behind me is a "George Bush Get Out Of Office Countdown" calendar. There maybe 100 days till election day but January 20th is 177 days away.
All the best.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:10 PM

And this makes you imply that Obama is a Muslim terrorist...why?

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:21 PM

That's a typical Conservative and childish trick, to use the guy's name against him
and infer some link between Obama and Bin Ladin.

How's this--
We wish Harper would go and play his instrument up in Heaven
Maybe they wouldn't let him in - because they don't need two gods up there
Words that describe Stephen Harper....Phlegmatic, Plastic, Robotic, Parasitic.
Marionette. The Ultimate Invisible Man.

I hope that sounds just as childish....and illustrates to you that it doesn't address
any of the real issues or the anxieties of the general population....
Not all of us are living on the Public Purse, and have all of our needs provided.
No wonder the Military have so much time and money to spend on alcohol.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:27 PM

Just saw your latest gem Spacecat....
Jimmy Carter may not have done much for the already-priviledged
but he negotiated the release of those prisoners in Iran

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:40 PM

Never mind...Spacecat can't even vote.

I'm done with his crap.


Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:46 PM

Kelly, I love you, man! You say what I am feeling most of the time!

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Sun, 27th Jul '08 11:58 PM

Unfortunately Chick, he can vote in Canada
and we are your kissin' cousins....

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 12:01 AM

Vote in Canada? Not don't care.



Ladyvol  (Level: 212.9 - Posts: 5673)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 12:02 AM

I'm voting for Snoopy...

Alvandy  (Level: 241.6 - Posts: 7717)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 12:25 AM

Barack Obama likes peppermint patties. I'm voting for him

Spacecat  (Level: 165.1 - Posts: 676)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 1:19 AM

My derogatory comment on Barrack Obama was not meant as a racial slur. It was an unthinking,unfeeling, sad,sick, attempt at humor. It was a total fiasco. This is not the first time this month something I have posted as offended others. To all who have been offended I apologize. Did not join this site to make enemies or willfully antagonize anyone, but that appears to be the case. Will not be posting anything except well wishes for the foreseeable future. Everyone have a great week.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 1:37 AM

No enemies here, just wanted to call you on that one, as it is particularly offensive and I would feel remiss to let it pass unchallenged, but no reason to stop posting. We're talking about politics, you have to expect strong opinions.


Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 1:39 AM

It didn't bother me spacecat.....not like it's the first time I've heard it. Taken in the spirit intended....big deal.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 2:50 AM

Nobody hates you....not even me - even if you CAN vote in Canada....
Sorry to about my strong reaction to what appeared to be very wrong.
Please don`t stop posting....we love your avatar

Chick....Smooch back to you, cousin....

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 3:31 AM

Personally, the worm turned for me with Reverend Wright.

Obama plopped his two little girls down in church every Sunday to hear his crazy racist hate-mongering. And he named his book after him, was married by him, had his daughters baptized by him.....I think deep down Obama comes from that culture of anti-white hatred.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 6:33 AM

Chick said "God knows the current line of thinking has my 10 year old son in a war in 8 years."

Girl, we don't have a draft. There's nothing saying anyone has to go to war. The Afghanistan and Iraq war have now been going on long enough that there are no US military members there by surprise - by now, all there signed up after the wars started, except maybe some long term officers.

People make these comments still based on Vietnam feelings/memories and the draft.

There is no draft. This is a voluntary military.

My son and daughter-in-law were scheduled to marry on September 15, 2001. My daughter-in-law was supposed to fly to Connecticut from Dallas on Tuesday afternoon, 9/11, to have so much wedding week fun with her mom, to be followed by my son and me on Wednesday, 9/12. My son had just left the Marines after serving 6 years. Obviously, none of us got to make those flights since everything was grounded.

On the afternoon of 9/11, my son was ready to re-up. He told us strongly that the next war would be in our front yards if we didn't go fight it at the root.

My daughter-in-law to be told him if he re-upped and ruined this very expensive, long-planned wedding, she'd kill him herself!!! haha

But the point is, there are young men and women over there fighting who totally disagree with you, Chick. But your grandson does not have to be one of them. It is his choice totally when he becomes an adult.

And sadly, no telling what will happen between now and our grandsons' adulthood. There are people on the other side of the world who want to kill us - who would kill us where we stand for no reason other than that we are not their religion and don't live by their beliefs. This just is where we are today.

Our US military members are no different from the guy at in Knoxville who stepped in front of a shotgun blast to try to save others' lives. Our military members stand between us and those few powerfully motivated ones who hate us and want us dead.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 6:43 AM

Smaug is 1,000% correct. Did anyone see Obama's oldest daughter. She is a beautiful, alert, intelligent child,"BUT" in my opinion she should've learned how to be a child before an adult. Please don't come at me saying that there is nothing wrong with a smart kid, there isn't. I have a grandniece that had my niece take her for a midnight sale to get a Harry Potter book. This kid did not put that book down until she read almost 900 pages. This girl is an A student and is in the top 10 in a fine school, but that's it. She doesn't have friends, she doesn't play sports and she can't even talk to my brother, her grandfather.
Obama's daughter appears to be a child who picks up on anything she hears or is taught. Sitting in a pew at 400 West 95th Street in Chicago with Jeremiah Wright speaking isn't the place for any responsible spouse or parent to attend a religious service. Before you say Bill is telling stories or is racist, I have been doing business and socializing with hundreds of church people on the Southside of Chicago for 35 years. A friend of mine referred Obama's church as a possible customer, another friend advised me to save my time. Watching Jeremiah Wright on those cd's reminded me of some of the jokers I see on street corners carrying on for the rest their friends who are rolling all over the sidewalk laughing. White or black, the environment in that church is not what mainstream citizens want to be exposed to. What did Wright do to earn a $5 million home with a super line of credit to go along with it ?? If Obama gets elected I think the White House will get the same turnover as Chicago's city hall did in '83, a lot of payback.

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5426)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 8:04 AM

I agree with Papermanbill and Smaug - the man who stood in that church pulpit (I will not dignify him by calling him a minister or reverend or pastor) and spewed not words of love and forgiveness and compassion of the Bible but words of division and hatred had to have influenced Obama. It was not until the public was made aware of the words that were being said in that church that Obama "realized" he needed to distance himself from it. But you can't erase those words and beliefs from the minds of Obama and his family.

I am sure not every sermon was of the same vein as that which we have heard publicized and I'm sure the church has done many good things. I'm not going to argue on those issues because I haven't been there and I can't condemn a whole church on just a small fraction of what has been made public. But what has been made public is of concern to me if Obama should become president.

McCain is not the polished speaker that Obama is and Obama is proving himself to be a savvy compaigner. If McCain goes overseas to visit the troops now it will look like he is copying Obama.

I won't stick up 100 percent for President Bush and the Republicans because there have been some things I have been very disappointed in. On the other hand, what president has had to deal with a horrific terrorist attack on our country's soil? He has faced some huge obstacles and our next president will be faced with many of the same issues. Only history will write the outcome of the Bush administration in my opinion.

No matter who wins the election this fall, I think the voters will be the losers.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 8:14 AM

It will be interesting, to say the very least, to see whether "God damn America" or "100 years of war" will have more resonance as the campaign wears on.

Both are equally reprehensible in my view, but I note that one came from the candidate himself, and the other did not.

Ladyvol  (Level: 212.9 - Posts: 5673)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 8:29 AM

I'm still voting for Snoopy...

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 8:31 AM

49.9 percent of Americans voted for Snoopy last time, and now look.

Donleigh  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5461)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 9:08 AM

C'mon, Richard. What's Harper done?

Changed our role in Afghanistan to a combat role without any debate and claiming he's just continuing the Liberal plan.
Reduced the GST 2% - when ANY economist will tell you a cut in income tax will generate more economic activity.
Written such an awful crime bill it wouldn't stand a Supreme Court challenge.
Given each child an after tax subsidy of $3.87 a day - WOW.
Guarenteed wait times for surgery really means if you need surgery, the Conservatives will guarentee you will wait.
Taken a $13 billion - yes billion - surplus and given it all away. Not to the taxpayers but to specious plans to increase his re-electability.

As for Obama, he speaks of hope but doesn't say exactly what he hopes for. Change is nice, but a change in the wrong direction is a recipe for more disaster.

I want details from all candidates, North and South of the border, so I can judge properly where they're taking this continent.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 10:19 AM

As a Republican and far right conservative, I am bitterly disappointed in what has happened over the past 7 years. We had a Republican president and majority congress for 4 years and all we got out of it was a tax cut with liberal-type spending. There are so many issues on the Republican platform that could have been addressed but weren't.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how a congress can allow the practice of late term abortion. A baby can be killed right up to coming out of the womb. I cannot support a doctor by law being able to slice a baby at the back of the neck because the mother decides at the last minute she doesn't want this baby and she couldn't afford an abortion in the first term. And yet - that is legal in the US. We could have done something about that but we didn't. We didn't enforce the border (which even if illegal immigration doesn't bother you, surely someone sneaking suitcase nukes or other WMDs across does. It's not just Mexican citizens coming across our borders - it's massive drugs and guns and who knows what else). The R Congress/Pres did nothing. If this invasion were from aliens from another planet, and there were 20 million of them infiltrating illegally, I bet everybody would make an uproar. But if you do now, you're called a bigot. And there is no other major country that allows such a thing to go on in their country - yet they dare condemn us for talking about it?

Those were the 2 main issues for me. If we can win Congress and Presidency and didn't use it, I see no hope with my vote.

BTW, Obama is for women being able to abort right up to the point of separation from the mother's body. Sadly, I see nothing from either candidate about border enforcement.

And about 100 years in Iraq. Even though that was taken somewhat out of context, yes, I'm ok with that because we WERE building a base there, much as we have in Germany and Japan. They are for 100 years and more, too. Your parents saw nothing wrong with having a military base and presence in Germany and Japan. Why are we so averse to having a long-term military presence in Iraq - which is in the big middle (maybe not geographic middle) of a hotbed of unrest for thousands of years and from whence came they who killed us with our own airplanes?

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 10:48 AM

I am SO not touching the abortion debate, but I think your facts are wrong and biased and inflammatory. That is absolutely not a discussion I'm having on this board. Meet me on the soapbox when I get back from vacation and we'll have it out, but not now, and not on the island.

I seem to recall that Germany and Japan were actively trying to take over the world by military force when we belatedly began on the course which ended with our bases in their countries. Iraq has not tried to take over the world in a few millennia now, and to conflate the war of opportunity in Iraq with 9/11 is so thoroughly demonstrated to be wrong by now that I'm honestly surprised to see it again.

Ladyvol  (Level: 212.9 - Posts: 5673)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 11:21 AM

Wise words from a very wise man (my grandpa to be exact) Never argue politics and can only cause trouble...and could get you hurt...

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2297)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 11:23 AM

The person that will be president in 3 years will either be Obama or McCain's VP, so keep that in mind.

I was listening this morning to a Brian Williams interview with the head of Iran. He is now trying to present a warm fuzzy Iran but pussy-footed around the uranium issue, just saying his country is thriving and essentially self-sustaining (which may well be true). I haven't heard either of the candidates speak to this terrifying issue.

I haven't heard much about that maniac in North Korea. Oh, yea, they don't have any resources we need.

I haven't heard much about Dufour and the genocide there. Oh, yea, they don't have any resources we need, I forgot

If they stay in office for 8 years they will most probably be nonimating 3 or 4 supreme court justices; that is a huge thought.

Personally, I will never vote republican, but that's just me. Born from liberal parents, married to a liberal Canadian, raised my children the same way. But that's just me.

As for the pro-choice stance, let's leave that out of here, please. It will just get ugly and mean and no one's mind will be changed in this forum.

Group hug

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 12:05 PM

JANK....I was under the impresiion it was mostly SAUDIS
involved in the 911 horror....Sadam (and Iraqis) were just
"thumbing their noses" at the USA and that's no reason
for all this Destruction and Death.
Just shows-to-go-ya - in a War....Nobody is quite clear
exactly what they are fighting for....
As for the issue of the "Draft"....they no longer call it that
but so many of your troops have been forced to return to the
Middle East - well past their time to be sent home AND against
their wills. We hear of their families having to buy equipment
that will save the soldier's lives in combat....and of many
marriages breaking down for war-related reason e.g. overly
long separation....and the brutalization of the fighting men
followed by assault on their own families when they return
because there is inadequate de-briefing and psychiatrict help
for these traumatized personnel.
Smaug, Jank and all other war-mongers....I believe you would
need to have your own child in harm's way before you could speak
authoritatively about the "necessity" to continue with this madness

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 12:16 PM

Row - sorry my words weren't clear - when I said "which is in the big middle...of a hotbed of unrest for thousands of years and from whence came they who killed us with our own airplanes?) - by that I meant the terrorists came from that hotbed region. Absolutely you are correct they were Saudis.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 28th Jul '08 12:27 PM

PS - my one and only son was in harm's way for awhile. Guys, we were at defcon 2 in July 1994 with imminent attack from Korea - whose military way outnumbers ours.

My son called me from the Marine air base in South Carolina and asked me to drop everything and come see him as soon as I could get there because we were on the verge of war with Korea and he was being shipped to S. Korea. He strongly felt that since the N. Korean military was so much larger than ours he would not make it back, and that the US might not make it through this war. I never heard a thing on the news about it.

By the time I got to SC, things had settled back to defcon 4 because N. Korean leader Kim Il Sung had suddenly died and his son, Kim Jong Il immediately took over and was not ready to go to war after all.

No one wants to lose a family member (nor do I want anyone to lose their family member) in war - or car wreck, or gang fighting, or plane crash, or drugs, or any other of the many ways to die. But I was very proud of my son for standing for what he believed in, even with his life. He was an adult - and he made an adult decision to enlist, whether he is my only child or not.

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2297)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 12:48 PM

We don't have a draft now, but when our great-grandchildren are being sent to the Middle East 75 years from now to fight in the same useless war we will.

And, according to my Canadian husband, our friends to the north will still back us up.

Because when the elephant rolls over the mouse better roll over too.

Donleigh  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5461)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 1:26 PM

The day the Canadian government decides to go to the Middle East to fight is the day Anarchy rules. I think we would very quickly have an election and a new government. We have already decided Iraq is not the place to be, and Iran will be no different. As horrible as it may be, we MUST be attacked first and then respond - not the other way around.

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 3:04 PM

75 years from now.....hell, 15 years from now....the US military will be so mechanized we'll only need a small percentage of the forces we have now.

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2297)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 4:12 PM

Geez I hope your are right Smaug. Remember the Star Trek episode where all the battles were in cyberspace and then the people who were "bombed" voluntarily walked into death chambers? Less messy.

And today Israel announced intentions to invade Iran, just as America was finally lifting sanctions and having talks. We will be obligated to support Israel because it is what we do.

And here we go again.

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 4:25 PM

I missed that Star Wars episode. Probably out dating girls.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3641)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 4:42 PM

I can spit from under my tongue. Two different streams of spit that shoot out at 45 degree angles. I believe we used to call it "gleeking" back in school.

Oops, sorry. Wrong thread.

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2297)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 5:17 PM

You dated? OMG!

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 7:13 PM

A typical Trekkie response.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.0 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 7:15 PM

Donleigh said, "Anarchy rules." Possibly the best oxymoron ever!

Kaufman  (Level: 269.7 - Posts: 3943)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 7:30 PM

Don't make me quote the Second Law of Thermodynamics on You!

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 9:29 PM

I've voted for both republicans and democrats in the past. I've been wrestling with this one for awhile. I've had a great deal of respect for John McCain and for Barack Obama for the last four years. Both impressed me at their repsective national conventions.
McCain seemed to want to be his own man in more recent years. He appears to be honest and trustworthy. I like those qualities. Here's what's holding me for John McCain is like saying I want more George W., I don't want to be hoodwinked again, because we surely have been hoodwinked by the republicans. Anyone who says that isn't true is suspect.

I'm not totally committed to Obama yet, but it's pretty likely he'll get my vote because I do not want what we've had anymore.

The economy stinks, gas is too high, I'm not better off than I was 8 years ago and it isn't going to change soon.

I plan to watch both conventions, see what the platforms are, watch the debates when they air and make up my mind once and for all when the time is right.

It seems like it's a big deal to many of us, that's good...

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 10:27 PM

OK, just to clarify, I didn't say there is a draft, but I seem to remember (granted I was wasn't born yet) a small "conflict" called Vietnam, that escalated into a draft. That was my point. Things we have NO BUSINESS being involved in, tend to get alot stickier once "we"arrive.

I am all for new ideas and new plans, the old ones stink.


Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 10:51 PM

Just a point to nearly getting killed the same
as actually being dead????
I believe you have to actually lose someone in a war to
KNOW what damage it does to the lives of survivor's

As far as I'm concerned Chauvinism is not a reason to
throw away a life....unless it's to channel more money
to the Republicans, of course.
I hear Hallibuton and the oil companies are doing well !!!!

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2765)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 11:02 PM

Does anyone every realize that "Halliburton and the oil companies" and whatever other lib target du jour are American? Employ hundreds of thousands of not millions of Americans? Are in the American economy? Are publicly traded companies with millions of American shareholders? Are probably somewhere deep in you 401 or pension holdings if you have a substantial portfolio?

Jeez, give it a rest.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Tue, 29th Jul '08 11:04 PM


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