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Alvandy  (Level: 225.6 - Posts: 7525)
Thu, 28th Aug '08 5:37 PM


45 years ago today [August 28], Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his famous speech at the Lincoln Memorial.
200,000 people attended that day in 1963.
Since then , perhaps hundeds of millions have heard it. Many consider it the greatest speech of the century.

One of my phrases alluded to it in my word puzzle [Alvandy Salutes Washington, DC]- on July 3.

Tonight, the first African-American candidate nominated by a major political party to become the next president of the United States will accept its nomination.

Dr. King, if still alive , would consider this achievement a part of his dream.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 28th Aug '08 7:17 PM

I was there.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 28th Aug '08 8:35 PM

I'm watching the convention. There's NEVER been anything like this. It's unexpectedly overwhelming.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 28th Aug '08 10:04 PM

I was in Cuba with my buddy Fidel.

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Thu, 28th Aug '08 10:17 PM

That calls for a peppermint patty - Seriously, Al, thanks for your post! Well said.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 4:30 AM

Al, I missed the speech because the Bears were playing. It would take a live appearance of Jesus Christ to have me miss a Bears game. I have told you in the past that I am a devout Democrat. I have known about Obama since the late 90's and he has done some good. I will not vote for him in November because of his wife, his church and I am now convinced he is a muslim. If all of the profiles of him on the news were checked out, his story is suspect. One example is how he helped all the people who lost their jobs in the steel mills. They have him doing his services in public housing areas where people who made any money couldn't live there in the first place. These places are occupied by unmarried minority women and their kids. At the time he claims to have helped out, they didn't allow peole making $15-$20 an hour to live in public housing. His wife can give all the speeches she wants with her code word "New Tone" and go back to her token job when he loses the election. Finally, does anyone agree with me that he took his two daughters childhood away from them ?? Little girls 7 and 10 years old should be playing with their neighbors and classmates, not Secret Service Agents. BTW, the reason I said I think he is a muslim, Tony Rezgo is Syrian.

Kaufman  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 6:11 AM

The 1963 Bears did not play until September 15.

Or are you saying you watched a practice game with scrub players who wouldn't even make the team, and nothing was going to uproot you from that? On a Wednesday afternoon?

Even if one were to believe the yammerings from the fringes of the right-wing press on the religious issue, it is sad to see that some of us would even think of using religious affiliation as an automatic filter for your vote. The dream is not yet realized.

Nice piece of satire. I think.

Loveland  (Level: 55.2 - Posts: 521)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 6:37 AM

I agree with with Alvandy said. If King was still alive he would say that Obama's nomination is a a part of The Dream. Judge Obama by his qualifications not by the color of his skin.

Alvandy  (Level: 225.6 - Posts: 7525)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 6:45 AM

Ken: Great reply to PMB.!! Very clever----- especially the Bears "dig."

If Liam's really a devout Democrat, he has two months to do some inner reflection, and examine his biases.

Despite that- I suspect he WILLl vote for Obama [maybe because of Joe Biden.}.
PMB might not vote for Obama==== but "Snookerballs" might!

He can't really believe John McCain is the answer, and will turn the country in a new direction. America won't look the same in 2040- the change to a "kinder-gentler nation" needs to start now.

I don't mind his post- we have had several private p.m's in the past where he expressed his hatred of Michelle Obama.

By replying publicly, he is open to changing his mind.

We can dream!

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 6:50 AM

Hillary/Michelle 2016!

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 9:10 AM

I voted for Biden in February. I think I was the only person in my precinct to do so. Knowing wghat I know about this Obama, I am going to really struggle to vote Democratic, I also don't want to be labeled racist saying what I know to be true.
BTW Ken on September 15, 1963, I was in Guantonomo Bay chasing Russian traulers and spyboats. When the Bears won the 1963 NFL Championship I was drowning in 151 Ronrico Rum in San Juan P.R. Scrubs or not, I don't miss a thing with the Bears, ask Chickie if she watched the Bears or Obama. If he gets elected, I hope foreign leaders fall for his BS like those tearful backers at that stadium. I'll bet a lot of them went for the ticket stub to sell as a collectible, how's that for rotten (but true).

Donleigh  (Level: 146.0 - Posts: 4980)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 10:47 AM

Does anybody else find the timing a little suspicious? The DNC elects Obama on the anniversary of Kings' speech - do you think they knew he would be the candidate for President?

Alvandy  (Level: 225.6 - Posts: 7525)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 11:15 AM

My opinion:
Well, the Republicans steal the spotlight from the true purpose and historical meaning of Labor Day with their convention coverage. Starting Monday, September 1- that's a real slap in the face to unions and working class people.

Even if Hillary Clinton had won the nomination- bringing up Dr. Martin Luther King's legacy would have been fitting for her to embrace too.

The dates of the conventions had been set a long time back. Both political parties are panderers in that respect.

I'm voting on issues- not fluff.

But that may not be the majority realization of the "electorate"- Fluff and distractions from real issues are rampant.
We have a long way to go to match our forefathers zeal and respect for freedom and democracy. And occasionally, reflecting on the Constitution's preamble.
We forgot our history lessons.

[disclaimer: the opinions of the writer do not necessarily reflect the views of this website and its management ]

Here's a crass publicity plug for my word puzzle- Sunday, August 31 at 8:00 a.m.

Alvandy's "Tribute to Labor Day"
I'll put my puzzle where my mouth is.
Hope everyone plays!

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 11:24 AM

I'm voting strictly by issue, as I consider myself an independent. An issue high on my list right now is homeland security and the prevention of another terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

Can someone please tell me where Obama stands on this issue? I didn't watch last night. Did he address it? The words "kinder and gentler U.S." concerns me. I want a "don't even think about it" attitude.

I would appreciate it if someone can tell me, without going off on some big diatribe about dems vs repubs because I don't give a flying **** about that kind of stuff.



Jorboo  (Level: 39.1 - Posts: 141)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 11:46 AM

Does anyone remember when JFK ran for president the fact he was an Irish-Catholic was an issue? Now people are saying Obamba is a "secret Muslim"! When does the intolerance, ignorance, and plain stupidity stop?

Caramel1  (Level: 126.0 - Posts: 21556)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 12:04 PM

I am sure many of my posts seem racist ad anti-religious. I do not consider myself either. Every human being develops a prejudice - not in itself a bad word-can be in favor or against. I worked alll my life with Black kids and Black teachers-a couple of whom I still have contact. I hate unkindness and petiness wherever it occurs-whether in these posts or elsewhere-not replying to a message sent as a note on someoneone's quiz or as an idea or suggestion of help is just plain rude-don't care who you are or what ou believe. Some folks who have been openly critical of me ad what I say have learned enough of good manners to return kindness with kindness-Linda

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 12:30 PM

Lodi, this is part of what he said about national security.

"And just as we keep our keep our promise to the next generation here at home, so must we keep America's promise abroad. If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have.

For while Senator McCain was turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, I stood up and opposed this war, knowing that it would distract us from the real threats we face. When John McCain said we could just "muddle through" in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights. John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell - but he won't even go to the cave where he lives.

And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.

That's not the judgment we need. That won't keep America safe. We need a President who can face the threats of the future, not keep grasping at the ideas of the past.

You don't defeat a terrorist network that operates in eighty countries by occupying Iraq. You don't protect Israel and deter Iran just by talking tough in Washington. You can't truly stand up for Georgia when you've strained our oldest alliances. If John McCain wants to follow George Bush with more tough talk and bad strategy, that is his choice - but it is not the change we need.

We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don't tell me that Democrats won't defend this country. Don't tell me that Democrats won't keep us safe. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has squandered the legacy that generations of Americans -- Democrats and Republicans - have built, and we are here to restore that legacy.

As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.

These are the policies I will pursue. And in the weeks ahead, I look forward to debating them with John McCain."

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 12:32 PM

Alvandy  (Level: 225.6 - Posts: 7525)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 12:41 PM

Smoke - thank you for taking the time to print his key words about that issue here.

His statement looks good on paper- but it was even more forceful and poignant when Obama said it in person.

I'm sure his speech will be repeated on C-SPAN and maybe other TV networks- try to watch his acceptance speech when it's replayed.

I'll watch some of the upcoming Convention coverage from Minneapolis and John McCain's speech too- he deserves my attention also.

Issues- not fluff.

Caramel1  (Level: 126.0 - Posts: 21556)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 12:45 PM

I apologize-my last post seemed a bit like what folks said here and elsewhere to avoid being labled anti-semetic, "Some of my best friends are Jewish!". Some of you just plain don't like me-not my constitutional right to be liked nor understood. I will not, however, prostrate myself nor be flagellated o gain your favor-before I waste oney and quit again-best I take a break from "chat". Linda

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 1:15 PM

Jorboo,, I guess I am one of the idiots you are talking about. According to your profile, you live about 35-40 miles east of me on U.S. 30. There are thousands of people between you and I that are black, white and brown that say the same thing.
Both parties are screwed up so why even bother anymore trying to make sense. If either of them get elected, they'll be better than the J*&^*F that's in there now. BTW if anyone PM's me, it stays between us.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 1:26 PM

Thanks Donna - that's exactly what I was looking for.

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 1:33 PM

Good to know Snookerballs.. as it should be

Abbyr  (Level: 86.8 - Posts: 2266)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 1:42 PM

I am a Canadian, but most of my adult life I have been intrigued with U.S. politics. I have to say I was amazed when George Bush was re-elected in 2004. In all sincerity, I have to ask why a person would vote for John McCain. Maybe I am missing something having to rely on the news organizations and not actually living there. I would truly like to understand.



Wordster  (Level: 156.6 - Posts: 893)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 4:25 PM

Yep' I have to agree with Abbyr. As someone who was born and raised for 16 years in the US (I have lived in the UK since) I was amazed that G. W. was re-elected too.
By the way there is no question that Mr. Obama is Muslim. I bet if you take any religion or faith you like you will find people with controversial off-beat views. So that means that everyone else who follows that religion or faith accepts those views. I don't think so. I woke up in the middle of the night and heard most of his speech live on BBC radio and then watched a recording on TV. It was a great, cleverly crafted speech. For the first time in my life I am really excited about a US presidential candidate. I think he is a man of great integrity and has the energy and vitality to do a great job in the Whitehouse. If Mr. Obama is elected the US will gain a great deal of respect around the world too.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 4:36 PM

Steve, What you said about Obama getting international integrity for the U.S., I agree with you. This would've happened four years ago with John Kerry, but he was railroaded by a bunch of phony drunks from VFW's and American Legion halls. If anyone thinks I talk too much about this election, get me started on Viet Nam.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 4:42 PM

"By the way there is no question that Mr. Obama is Muslim."

Got a source for that?

Alvandy  (Level: 225.6 - Posts: 7525)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 9:50 PM

Earlier, in my reply to Kauffman's post about Papermanbill, I used a poor choice of words.

[6:45 a.m]

I said that PMB had expressed "hatred" towards Michelle Obama in private messages to me over the course of the primary season.
We both supported Hillary Clinton during the primaries, but Bill never used the word "hatred" in referencing Michelle Obama.

He has expressed strong mis-givings about her, but it was my error to use the word "hatred". Hatred is not a word to be thrown around lightly.

I have already expressed this to Bill; and I want to clarify this matter to the others who are reading this thread.

[I have deducted two miniature peppermint patties from my diet tonight to atone for my gaffe.]

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Fri, 29th Aug '08 9:51 PM

Very nice Al. Its not too often that people are as nice as you.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Sat, 30th Aug '08 4:40 AM

Thanks Al.

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