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Garrybl  (Level: 294.1 - Posts: 6803)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 11:05 AM


...who claims to have changed their vote ( or not voted) as result of anything they've read on sploofus please sign HERE.
And if there are no signers could we PLEASE stop having political debates on the main sploofus chat group...or at least can we remember this for the next election cycle?

I think we may have persuaded Tex to vote democrat but nobody else really seems to have changed much.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 11:20 AM

1. Barry, as you know, I have great respect for you, but, again, I really don't see why political discussions should be relegated to some other forum. Anybody who is uninterested in the political posts can not read them. Even when it isn't obvious from the thread title that the topic is political, this is easily discovered by looking at the post one time. There are lots of threads of no interest to me, but I don't think that means the topics I don't have an interest in should be posted elsewhere.

2. I doubt that any of the regular posters of political comment have changed their views based on the postings, but there are probably undecided Sploofus voters who have read some of these threads and were influenced by the arguments advanced by one person or another. Actually, I can think of one Sploofuser who I think may well have changed their leaning from McCain to Obama based on the posts. I draw this conclusion from the content of posts from a couple months back to now. I don't feel comfortable publically posting the name since this person could self-identify, if she/he wanted and (b) because my conclusion -- based on circumstantial evidence -- could be wrong.

Maurlin  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 2718)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 12:00 PM

I firmly believe that the recent posts are not for the purpose of swaying voters I don't see the posts as political debates, but rather either political attacks or amusing tidbits. I certainly agree with you that the rhetoric would likely not convince anyone to change his or her mind, except perhaps by an individual becoming irritated by some of the attacks and associating the attacker with the actual candidates. .

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21614)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 1:32 PM

I could not agree more, Maurlin. It takes a very articulate and "Brave, I guess" person to risk posting on the political threads (my typos make me neither) at all. Garrybl, you are wasting your breath trying to desiginate where people place posts-been there-done that. Everything that the person who wishes it to be viewed goes on "Salty Dog". Perhaps because of his wit, Smaug was able to post almost anything anywhere and still remain popular and in tact if you will. People have tried to start other threads but none have had the emotional participation that the political ones have had. Perhaps the truly smart and articulate people have bitten their tonguesand not posted on them at all. Linda

Pennwoman  (Level: 163.1 - Posts: 2475)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 2:48 PM

I agree too, Maurlin -- the political posts have evolved from rants to thoughtful discussion -- I commend all, who post but with conviction but dignity including Tex -- who has had the grace to lose the ranting, yet still remains passionate about his beliefs -- the political stuff is not my favorite either, I understand that people are tired of it -- but you don't have to read them and I am all for new posts with different subjects..
Go on, tell me how wonderful you find my Steelers.. I dare you...

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21614)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 3:24 PM

?? I must have misread Maurlin's post or misinterpreted it-don't recall her saying anything about inteligent political discussion-Been wrong before though-multiple times-inda

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 3:26 PM

I am not going to agree or disagree with Barry, he has his own preference for discussion, over done political talk is not his cup of tea. With 20 days until the election, I personally think a person shouldn't be allowed to vote if at this juncture he or she doesn't know who their choice is. Has anybody ever noticed the body language of a person who is being interviewed because they are undecided with an election.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 3:28 PM

I don't understand asking people not to discuss anything controversial lest they disagree.

We're an international community of presumably intelligent adults, and if we can't manage civil discourse here, then where? I don't hate anyone for having political opinions and religious convictions I don't share; I try to maintain the trust that this is reciprocal. If we can't hold differing opinions on these issues and remain friends, then perhaps we should realize that we weren't really friends in the first place. And even if we were never friends and never will be, surely we can manage civil disagreement somewhere short of namecalling, personal mockery, or hostile silence. We seem to be winning some and losing some there. We can do better.

These threads are like little labeled conversation rooms. Go into the rooms you like and stay out of the ones you don't. Seems simple enough.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21614)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 4:41 PM

Good response, Smoke. I get angry at times and sometimes get my feelings hurt, but I never doubt that people here are intelligent and that their opinions do not always coincide with mine. I just would like to think that quiz authors-only thing with names on them-might suffer. I try to judge the quiz not whether I agree with what they offer in chat. I am a high -rater anyway-lost where I was going here-nuff said from me-Linda

Oldcougar  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 1935)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 4:43 PM

Just got back from exercising my civic duty. Don't forget to get out & vote Canadians. Feel free to keep on discussing politics all you American Sploofusers. I find it fascinating. Peace

Joanneeberlin  (Level: 190.8 - Posts: 687)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 5:12 PM

Not much in Canadian politics in the Salty Dog, but I did go out and vote - just 20 minutes ago. It is a big election here. I too encourage everyone to go out and vote, I am anxious for the results........polls close at 9h30 pm.


Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 5:15 PM

Randy, is that your very own rose? it's gorgeous!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 6:24 PM

Linda, you said "Perhaps the truly smart and articulate people have bitten their tongues and not posted on them at all."

I would have to disagree. That would preclude that all who did post were NOT truly smart and articulate people. You may think that of me, and I certainly wouldn't argue with you. But the others? I believe they are all highly intelligent and articulate, no matter where their loyalties lie. I don't believe people who are of average or below average IQ hang around Sploofus long. (Well, except for me. I'm just no quitter. The proof is in the empty Peppermint Pattie wrappers in the trash can)

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21614)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 8:24 PM

No, Jank, I was not referring to you or anyone else in particular. Perhaps it would have been better if I had simply noted that many articulate "posters" had chosen to be silent here. Many I haven't seen in the forums for a long time and some posted and backed off. Perhaps it would have been better if I had said nothing-certainly out of my minor league here in knowledge, wit, and sarcasm. Linda

Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 8:36 PM

I personally think that it is not anyones business but my own who I am going to vote for and that is all i have to say about that. charlotte

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 8:44 PM

It is what it is, and as my 14 year said, "Mom, it's in God's hands"...great thoughts from an extremely intelligient 14 year old, and I guess of only minor comfort to the minority of those here who believe in God?

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Tue, 14th Oct '08 8:45 PM

Yes. I went from not voting to voting for McCain.

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