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Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 10:48 PM


Is Joe Six-Pack and Joe the Plumber the same guy?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Loveland  (Level: 55.2 - Posts: 521)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 10:53 PM

Say it ain't so Joe

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 10:55 PM

Joe the plumber can't pay any more taxes on his income of $250,000 plus salary because he needs it to buy beer.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 11:04 PM

And what the frig does that mean?

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 11:21 PM

I'm confused - does Joe Six Pack work out a lot or drink beer a lot?

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 11:23 PM

I have always taken it as a reference to beer drinkers.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 11:25 PM

I thought it was beer (cause I think everything should rightfully be about beer).

I'd be SO offended if someone called me Kelly 6-pack. Kelly case and a 1/2...NOW WE'RE TALKING!!


Kaufman  (Level: 270.1 - Posts: 3942)
Wed, 15th Oct '08 11:34 PM

And is Joe an NRA member, because otherwise, where's he going with that gun in his hand?

Chyenn  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1332)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 1:01 AM

why not be alliterative and be Kelly Keg??

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 1:05 AM

Almost. How about Kelly Kegerator?

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 1:24 AM

How about Kelly on tap? Or Kelly will (insert anything here) for a beer? Or Crazy Kegs Kelly?

Suzannec  (Level: 260.2 - Posts: 616)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 7:25 AM

“If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you would have $49 left. With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left of the original $1,000.
With AIG, you would have less than $15 left.
But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all of the beer, then turned in the cans for aluminum recycling, you would have $214 cash.
Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.”
Joe knows!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 7:26 AM

Kelly - you KNOW you wouldn't mind being called Kelly 6-pack if they were talking about your abs.

Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 7:39 AM

"Kelly will insert anything here for a beer"....dude, Kelly, I'll buy you a beer, you don't have to insert anything anywhere, sweety.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 9:08 AM

Joe six-pack and Joe the plumber guy are the guys that bust their asses at least forty hours a week, support their families and keep a roof over their heads. They are the backbone of this country and terms of endearment like these "should" be appreciated (By all !!).

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 9:27 AM

Cool your jets, Bill. I married into the Six-Pack family - three times (the other one was Joe Wine-Box). I'm not dissing anybody, just think it's funny that we keep talking about guys named Joe.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 9:35 AM

Joe the Plumber's first name is actually Sam

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:09 AM

Donna, I 'm not upset with anything, I liked being called your "average Joe six-pack" and I haven't had a drink in 25 years. I wrote what our cute vice presidential candidate was trying to get across to the voters. Names like couch potato, Joe six-pack, Football widows, hockey nuts and beer bellied are just a few names us everyday Americans have bestowed on us by people who have to sit at attention while eating a bowl of Cheerios.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:11 AM

McCain called him Wurzelberger, but I haven't heard anything about Sam.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:18 AM

Oh, wait, hearing the in-depth on him now. He's going to be appearing at McCain rallies. Good for him.

Maybe he'll be able to make some extra money from speaking fees and interviews and buy that business after all.

Good luck, Sam/Joe!

Alvandy  (Level: 242.1 - Posts: 7727)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:38 AM

In 2004, it was the "Swift Boats".

Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelberger is this election cycle's "Swift Floats" spokesman.

Toledosugar  (Level: 51.4 - Posts: 279)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 11:03 AM

The plumber in question is just a guy that wants to start his own plumbing business and employ other people. He happens to live a few miles from me. He asked a perfectly lucid question of a presidential candidate and got no valid answer. Now he's the object of the media and obviously Spoofus, which he never wanted to be.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2812)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 11:23 AM

"In Toledo on Sunday, Wurzelbacher told Obama that he was preparing [to buy] the company, which earns more than $250,000 a year, and said: "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate.

"And the reason why we're doing that is because 95 percent of small businesses make less than 250 (thousand). So what I want to do is give them a tax cut. I want to give all these folks who are bus drivers, teachers, auto workers who make less, I want to give them a tax cut," he said."

Obama proposes a slight raise in taxes on income *over and above a quarter of a million* (by 3%) and giving that as a tax cut to those further down the ladder, to help them grow their businesses and hire people and give them health care. He's not robbing the rich to give to the poor, he's talking about adjusting the tax structure to give more help to those who make less.

Sounds like an answer to me, isn't that exactly what a progressive tax system is supposed to do? It's too bad that adding 3% to the taxes on the amount above $250,000 doesn't make a good enough deal for Sam/Joe. Ah, well, there never was any money in plumbing.

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2291)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 11:27 AM

But...does Joe have the plumber's crack? Otherwise he doesn't deserve to buy the business.

Alvandy  (Level: 242.1 - Posts: 7727)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 1:53 PM

Barack Obama replying to Joe Wurzelbacher:

"And what I want to do is to make sure that the plumber, the nurse, the firefighter, the teacher, the young entrepreneur who doesn't yet have money, I want to give them a tax break now."

During the encounter in Ohio, Mr Wurzelbacher had asked the Democrat:"Your new tax plan is going tax me more, isn't it?"

The Illinois senator answered: "It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Two days later, invited on to Fox News to discuss the conversation, the plumber said:"His answer actually scared me even more.

"Robin Hood stole from greedy rich people and redistributed it to the peasants, so to speak, so if he's calling us peasants, I kind of resent that," he said.

"He said he wants to distribute wealth. And I mean, I'm not trying to make statements here, but, I mean, that's kind of a socialist viewpoint. You know, I work for that. You know, it's my discretion who I want to give my money to, it's not the government decide that I make a little too much and so I need to share it with other people. I just -- that's not the American Dream.

He added that the American Dream for him was "you work hard. You're going to get what you want eventually."

After the debate, Mr Wurzelbacher told that he hadn't been too impressed with either candidate. He repeated his complaints against Senator Obama, saying: "So he does want to punish me, he does want to punish me for working harder to - you know, my big thing is the American Dream," he said.

But he also refused to endorse Mr McCain: "There's a lot of things I wish McCain would say," he said. "As far as this, yes, I would like him to speak. Not so much about small businesses, but just people in general that make this money," he said.

"I guess I would like him to speak about that and a bunch of other things."

Well, he {Joe] still won't endorse McCain. Why not?
Because possibly Familysecurity is an IRS 527 tax exempt "non-partisan" lobbying advocacy group.
If you don't think it's blatant right wing group- check out their website-- especially the blogs.

Anyway, right after the "anonymous" Joe the Plumber gets filmed by Fox News[hmmm] and makes the national spotlight, Familymatters.orgs Pam Meister just happens to be in Toledo to interview him. Go ahead and read the interview. Joe doesn't seem so non-partisan to me. He seems savvy enough with his political views to still be an "undecided" voter?
Give me a break!

Oh, as a "527"- Family ---- can't endorse any candidates. I guess Joe the Plumber can't either.
How do you spell SET-UP?

Sounds like the Swift Boat strategy in 2008.
John McCain sure seemed to know a lot about Joe the Plumber, didn't he?
His lackeys and advisers did a good job scripting him in the debate.
Check these links. Carol Taber is the president of FSM

Fool me once- shame on you
Fool me twice- you know the answer!

Al "the Sploofer"
{I'm non- partisan too by the way}
My basement water pipe is dripping- time to call the Plumber.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 689)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 1:56 PM

I found this page very interesting (pardon the misspelling, I assume that the correct spelling was already taken)

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 6:54 PM

Why does every perfectly good post in which I interject the benefits of beer have to descend into the politcal abyss.

Now I'm voting for Sam Adams.


Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 8:33 PM

Isn't that "Samuel" Adams Chick?

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 8:47 PM

Sammy #21 !!

Alvandy  (Level: 242.1 - Posts: 7727)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 9:30 PM


When this election is decided on November 4- I'll even drink a beer that night.

Unfortunately, beer doesn't go well with peppermint patties- but what the hell?

I'll take "liberal leave" from work the next day.

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 9:34 PM

Beer, Al? Why not enjoy some champagne? Don't worry - the republicans are buying!

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 9:38 PM

Sry Kaelin...he's a friend of mine, so I call him Sam.

Al, Bill and's on me!!


Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:49 PM

Understood Kelly - I have that same relationship with Jaeger - will had - promised we'd start back up after the kids graduate

Joetheplumber  (Level: 1.3 - Posts: 14)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 6:34 PM

No, they are not the same person. I am Joe The Plumber and Joe Sixpack is the govenor of Alaska! Is that silly or what? I'm having a laughing attack now, somebody stop me!

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