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Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:00 PM



I want to acknowledge up front that this video is clearly created as an attack on Obama. And thus is slanted.

However, There are some valid questions the video raises.

I am curious what Libs and Conservatives alike think of this video. Is it fiction? Is it real? Does it matter?

Bbear  (Level: 167.3 - Posts: 2297)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:19 PM

I don't know what to make of this; I think it is a tempest in a teapot. I have a first cousin who is crazy and another who is a drug addict. I also have one who is a physician and one who is a lawyer. So what?

As far as supporting muslims, so what? I can't quite get your point.

This information has been out for at least six months and nothing has come of it until someone created an inflammatory you tube. However, bare in mind it is you tube, not CNN.

Any thoughts?

Abbyr  (Level: 86.8 - Posts: 2266)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:27 PM

The Canadian Free Press is just another extreme right wing conservative news source. For me, they have no credence and I place no value on any of their information. But as they say: to each their own.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:41 PM

Obama did go to Kenya to promote AIDS awareness. During that trip, he appeared with three candidates for Kenya's prime ministership, including Raila Odinga. I have yet to see footage of Obama's alleged campaigning for Odinga where audio of Obama actually speaking for Odinga's election. If it existed, I'm sure we would know about it. The smear of Obama based on his alleged campaigning for Odinga was popularized by Jerome Corsi in "Obama Nation". Corsi, of course, brought us the swiftboat smear of John Kerry.

International observers of the Kenyan election in issue reported massive irregularites, with several such organizations asserting that Odinga had actually won the election. I guess Kenyans -- who have been voting for a far shorted period than Americans -- having yet developed the American complacency for stolen elections.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 10:43 PM

And Odinga is an Anglican -- not a Muslim.

Alvandy  (Level: 240.4 - Posts: 7692)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 11:14 PM

Odinga is the Prime Minister of Kenya. Like many African nations, it doesn't have a history of democracy , so the government is not going to be operating with democratic principles. Corruption and fraud are commonplace.
The Wikipedia article paints Odinga's political career in all kind of lights, but does acknowledge that he has an 85% APPROVAL rating in Kenya.

According to the article, Obama may be related in a distant fashion to Odinga. It makes sense that Obama supported his Social Democratic candidacy.
At worst, Odinga was the lesser of two evils.

If Kenya is moving towards a populist/ pro Western form of government, that should suit US foreign policy objectives.
Read the article and form your own conclusions.
I don't see anything that alarms me. Might alarm bigots however.
Once again, a last minute surprise character attack on Obama.
But no documentation - just innuendo.

The gun doesn't smoke to me.

Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Thu, 16th Oct '08 11:19 PM

I don't know much about the Canadian free press,

However, even though the montage was apparently created by them, most of the footage appears as if it was CNN footage.

I know the dubious "why" at the end was not CNN for sure, but, as I watched it, I DID notice almost all of the footage was from CNN.

I don't think the clip ever stated that the candidate was Muslim, just that he had agreed in a statement of understanding to support the Muslim group and Sharia Law.

I have searched and watched the CNN footage where the man talks about Obama being joined at the hip with the Kenyan Candidate, so the familial relationship does appear to exist, and the CNN footage also allows that Obama did indeed campaign for his relative.

Perhaps the canadian free press edited and added the photo arrays to help it appear more sinister, but for Obama to campaign for a Marxist on the American dime seems wrong to me, relative or not.

It troubles me, regardless of the source, because it would seem to matter to most people. I consider myself pretty aware of what is going on in the political arena. And I didn't know about this.

I feel like the USA press hides things. My feeling is... Report the facts.... That way people like SMoke can't always just write it off as Swiftboating. I continue to laugh every time ANYthing negative about Obama is raised, someone hollars Swiftboat. TO this day, I haven't seen any facts refuting the claims the Swiftboat people made. Kerry was a coward and a traitor. He just got away with it because he was well connected.

When the USA press fails to fully disclose, and then

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 9:39 AM

Tex, you don't look very far if you can't find refutations of Corsi's swiftboat lies. Moreover, Bush was unquestionably avoided the real military by joining Air National Guard, where he mostly did nothing. I think it is safe to say that Mccain was a "hotdog" and a very poor pilot.

Pennwoman  (Level: 162.2 - Posts: 2476)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 9:58 AM

I have a cousin who refers to alcoholics as "booze hounds", people with mental health issues as "crazies and nutjobs", who REFUSED to allow AA meetings, IN THE CHURCH WHERE HE IS PASTOR as he didnt want "those people" "roaming around in his building, looking for stuff to steal"
I have another cousin, who has taken in foster children, all her life, runs the local soup kitchen and thrives on her community service work -- it "gives her purpose, helping people, who arent as fortunate as she is"
My ex-husband almost got beat up -- bitching about the number of "Cans" on the plane with us, on our honeymoon -- he was refering to Puerto Ricans --- the fact that we were landing in Puerto Rico, at the time, did nothing to shut him up....
I have a cousin, who is devouted to her severly head injured husband (motorcycle accident)-- who used to hit her when frustrated -- she raised her two kids, while teaching special education classes and caring for her husband -- thru her care he has come a LONG way.

People you love and hang with or are related to can be stupid AND they can be amazing

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 10:22 AM

Tex: It seems rather curious to complain that the American media has suppressed information about the supposed Obama-Odinga connection while at the same time acknowledging that your awareness of the same is largely based on a video using CNN footage of Odinga and Obama together. I don't often watch CNN, yet I knew about this Obama trip when it occurred from some TV source. So at least CNN and some other network or cable outlet also ran a story about it. I don't know if you can research on-line old Fox news archives. I think it is a safe bet, however, that if there was anything to the Obama-Odinga story as implied by the hack job video, Fox would have been all over it. If there is no such Fox piece, I think you may safely conclude that what the video wants the viewer to conclude is without substance. So much so that even Fox wouldn't make this anti-Obama claim.

Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 10:28 AM

The CNN footage appeared to be from Europe.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 11:24 AM

Didn't bother to look. As soon as I saw Canada Free Press in the address I knew it had to be B.S.

Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 11:51 AM

Like I said, I dont know much about the Canadian Free Press...

But, what I'm hearing is, if they run it, whether or not the facts check out, most libs write it off as BS?

Hah, I feel the same way about CBS. LOL

Bbear  (Level: 167.3 - Posts: 2297)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 1:56 PM

I have just done some research on the Canada Free Press. Makes FOX news look ultra-left wing.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

You can get some nonbiased news from Canada on the CBC; pretty good news source. At least they know that when the elephant rolls over the mouse better roll over too.

Joetheplumber  (Level: 1.3 - Posts: 14)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 4:29 PM

Very interesting video, yes, very interesting for sure.

Diva305  (Level: 152.7 - Posts: 1655)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 5:23 PM

" If there is no such Fox piece, I think you may safely conclude that what the video wants the viewer to conclude is without substance. So much so that even Fox wouldn't make this anti-Obama claim."

Fox? Fox? Ya want Fox?

You have to watch all five episodes.

Under bus sure would be crowded.

Change you can bereave in.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 5:44 PM

Now, Diva's Fox link isn't to a news broadcast but, rather, a Sean Hannity piece alleging Obama's association with a variety of alleged radicals, including Odinga. The existence of these broadcasts again tend to undercut Tex's claim that this was not "information" carried by the American news outlets. I didn't have the stomach to go through the various Hannity broadcasts that are part of this series to find out what crap he was flinging about Obama and Odinga. In any event, the alleged Obama-Odinga connection was at least run during some broadcasts of the whackjob Hannity -- if not during what Fox peddles as news programs.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Fri, 17th Oct '08 5:57 PM

Actually, I don't know that the Hannity broadcast covers Obama-Odinga because I didn't go through the five parts of the series. Someone else will have to check. The Hannity series is about Obama's alleged bad guy connections, and not Odinga specifically. My prior post assumed that Obama-Odinga was included in the series only because Diva quotes a portion of one of my earlier posts and then puts a link in that post to this series -- as if it establishes that Fox News did in fact broadcast on the alleged Obama-Odinga crelationship. But it may be that a whole lot of other "bad guys" are presented as associates by Hannity -- and not Odinga at all. As I said, I won't watch it. I prefer to read classic novels -- currently reading "The Scarlet Letter" -- when I have a yearning for fiction.

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