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davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Sat, 18th Oct '08 12:14 PM

DISCUSS YOUR PHILOSOPHY HERE

Come talk about philosophy, your own and that of others

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 1:06 PM

No small order there David! But I didn't know this group existed...excited about the possibilities. I love philosophy.

Now let me think...where to begin?

Sun

gfawkes
Gfawkes  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 30)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 1:10 PM

Tri-partite critical realist. Anyone else?

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 1:56 PM

Great start Alan, I had to look it up. If I understand it correctly, this line of thought is what I believe to be a problem with science and research. If the transitory knowledge is removed from research, then science is held back from true innovation.

I personally think science should serve humanity and work to solve problems. Science would be far more effective if it worked in conjunction with art, especially at the research stage. Science should be creative.

Though perspective in society changes, it is still part of reality.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:09 PM

Good points. I wonder what drives a person. Schopenhauer suggests that a child inherits will from the father and knowledge from the mother. People may want something but their knowledge suggests otherwise. Is human behaviour a result of a persons genes, their upbringing, cultural location, or simply individuality. Why do people do the things they do, or why do people not do certain things.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:25 PM

I want to contribute, but I'm still looking up critical realism as well!! Maybe we should start differing threads for each topic. Determinism vs. Free will in one, Dualism vs. Monism, etc. On some subjects I'm stronger than others....I'm really eager to learn and contribute where I'm weak though...critical realism is turning out to be a very interesting topic! What do y'all think is the best way to proceed?

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:31 PM

I am thinking John Locke and the Two Treatises of Government

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:32 PM

I agree for dividing threads Jeremy, would help narrow down the area of discussion

gfawkes
Gfawkes  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 30)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:32 PM

The tri-partite part refers to what there is: the external world, the inner mind and incorporeal ideas outside the mind. Related to the issue of choice and knowledge, I would refer everyone to the most recent episode of Radio Lab (available as a podcast from iTunes), which had several compelling segments about the role in the brain that seem to coincide with rational analysis and with emotional impulse.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:37 PM

Will check that out Gfawkes, sounds enlightening

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:44 PM

Maybe Critical Realism could be put in a Philosophy of Perception thread? I'm interested in listening to that on itunes as well. Where would you put yours David? Are you thinking very broadly about human behavior? As in it might encompass several discussion such as those on human nature, or free will, etc??

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:47 PM

Another idea I had for this group is maybe reading various books together.....I'm reading Nietzsche right now, I know David is reading Schopenhauer, it would be interesting (if anyone was interested) to read some of the same material and discuss afterwards....just a thought.

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:52 PM

Ah, as a person spending decades in education, the nature versus nurture argument is tantalizing. Studies of twins separated at birth, birth order tendencies within families, adopted children's growth and development (even physically) are fascinating.

Problem is for every generalization, there is an exception. For example, in recent research there is much evidence of brian differences in homosexuals. That made sense to me. On the other hand, one of my best friends, a homosexual, was adopted at birth. His brother, two years younger was adopted at birth. There is absolutely no genetic connection, they are even different nationalites (Irish and Asian). Parents were educated Hispanics, one a teacher. The brothers were never close.

They both hid their life style from the world and their parents, until my friend came out of the closet after his 40th birthday. He had AIDS. He agreed to a study for homosexuality and brain research. No distinction found. His brother agreed to the same tests. The expected difference for homosexuals was evident. He then came out of the closet, had been a homosexual all his life too. Why did my friend become a homosexual then? Environment? Hispanic Catholics are notorious in their fear of homosexuality (at least in my part of the world). My friend believes his preference was part of his rebellion and the strict, narrow minded attitude of his parents and culture. Maybe.

Now birth order is fascinating to consider.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:56 PM

Birth order is fascinating, I would suggest different threads for topics. I am keen to discuss Nietzsche and learn more about birth order. Make your own threads and we can get discussing

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Thu, 27th Nov '08 2:57 PM

Obviously all the above ideas are great, and different threads would help. LOL...especially since I lag so terribly. Can't type for shit.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Tue, 2nd Dec '08 10:47 AM

Humean mitigated skeptic.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Tue, 2nd Dec '08 10:49 AM

Um - me that is! Not accusing you Sunny!


luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Tue, 2nd Dec '08 12:21 PM

No problem Martin! I am a skeptic and agree with Hume for the most part.

Sometimes I just can't mitigate my skepticism though...

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.4 - Posts: 1120)
Wed, 3rd Dec '08 12:44 AM

Sorry David, I realized I haven't actually answered your original post here. My personal views(which can be read in "Oogism, A Simpler Approach to Life"offered by Publishers Clearing-Outhouse) have had numerous influences in 54 years. My parents teachings,by both word and example, of honesty, integrity, work-ethic,compassion, predominated any other influences I was exposed to in childhood years. I started reading books by GK Chesterton,CS Lewis and other apologetic Christian authors in my teen years even though I didn't grow up in a "church-going" household, along with writers like Rollo May. I belonged to a Methodist church for a number of years as a young adult, which expanded on the moral ideology I had grown up around. Retrospectively I can see habits and character flaws in my earlier self that I do regret, but life has taught me better. I have learned to accept everyone as they are, I have relationships with a diverse group of people at this stage in my life. Without actually judging, I just try to be a friend at whatever level a person demonstrates their trustworthiness. I have offered advise when asked, help when able, and given more than I could at times when people needed something from me. I have taken something good out of every relationship in my life(even the bad ones), and by nature try to always give the best of myself in return. I feel that when you approach a relationship you should always be carefully thoughtful of how your influences will add or detract from the other person's life and vice versa. On rare occasion I have been privileged to meet some extraordinary people like Consuelo, so I figure that's my reward for persevering all these years.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Wed, 3rd Dec '08 2:14 PM

You speak very succinctly Oogie, and your own principles are to be admired.


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