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difod
Difod  (Level: 244.7 - Posts: 108)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 8:35 PM

DID SMOKE LEAVE TOO?

It looks like Smoke has left Sploofus too.

Does anyone else think this is getting utterly ridiculous?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 8:41 PM

I'm not going anywhere...but yes, this is getting ridiculous, I'll miss smoke, she was also a valued addition to the site. : (


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 8:42 PM

Smoke doesn't just get in your eyes.......she gets in your heart, too. Maybe she just left to go enjoy her good news and a bit of money for awhile. She deserves it!

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 8:45 PM

Nope, she has no profile either.

Sheesh

joanneeberlin
Joanneeberlin  (Level: 184.2 - Posts: 686)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 8:51 PM

This is a sad week for the Sploofus island. I will miss Smoke's wisdom and wit. Truly a great sploofuser. So sorry to hear the bad news.

Jo or

headylamar
Headylamar  (Level: 150.7 - Posts: 740)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 8:53 PM

Oh man....

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:01 PM

DRAT, that just sucks.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.3 - Posts: 2671)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:07 PM

This is getting rediculous. I'm sure I saw Smoke post on another Chat link tha she wasn't going to leave...she was definitely staying on Sploofus. Now she does not have a public profile and I can't find her comment in that chat. Was that deleted too?

Smoke, Donna...COME BAAAAACK!

Grandwazoo
Grandwazoo  (Level: 51.1 - Posts: 16)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:10 PM



luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:12 PM

The dark side is winning...what? Hope you are happy now. Wonder who you'll pick on next?

No sun...

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:13 PM

Well, that's just freakin' great! That is sarcasm folks - I am not at all happy about this. Donna is a very cool chick and I will miss her!

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.2 - Posts: 1120)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:19 PM

Why is it the people I really like are leaving and the ones I really don't like are still on here stirring up trouble?

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:21 PM

You did see Donna saying she wouldn't leave, just yesterday. Somebody must have said something pretty awful to make her go. I'm just going to go sit in the corner & cry now. This is just BULL POOP. Really people, we are supposed to be adults, surely we can have a political debate without getting nasty. OK, Chickie, now I'm saying the F WORD. I'm not sure what all got deleted because I'm not on much due to my health. If any more of my favorites go, I guess I'll go to. Ain't much fun without the cool kids. Peace

headylamar
Headylamar  (Level: 150.7 - Posts: 740)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:21 PM

Ditto!

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.2 - Posts: 3300)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:33 PM

This is absurd. Loudmouth Smoke has the biggest heart around here. We need you back, Smoke!

slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 9:37 PM

Donna is on my short list of people I absolutely must meet before I die. She is the heart and soul of this site - if you are reading this please please come back (and bring the others with you).

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.4 - Posts: 848)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 10:01 PM

It wasn't just WHAT was said.

It was who said it.

There is no justice.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 10:07 PM

What Slicko said....

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 10:08 PM

Should have read: "What Slicko said....about Lodi as well." Has anyone else left besides those two over recent events, I haven't been on enough to keep up.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.3 - Posts: 2671)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 10:19 PM

Embee left too.

bbear
Bbear  (Level: 161.0 - Posts: 2301)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 10:22 PM

Damn. 14 days left. Take a communal and gather together.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4184)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 10:23 PM

I'm totally stunned and sad about this. Smoke, I'll miss you, your intelligence, humor, generosity of spirit and many other admirable qualities. A lot.

-- Geri

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 11:07 PM

I've disagreed with some of you vehemently on some of the political threads, and I may again in the future, but in doing so, I've always tried to take the high road, to attack the message and not the messenger. Very rarely do I feel I've sunk to the ad hominem, but if you feel I have done so with you, let me apologize here and now. Even though I may disagree with many of you, that doesn't mean I don't value you as a member of this community, and wish to treat you yourself with the respect that that deserves.

That is all.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 11:09 PM

And Embee?? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 11:48 PM

It is interesting that they not only leave but they also terminate their account.

I remember when a player dropped from site a while back and there was a huge outcry from the remaining players. Justin made a concerted effort to get the player back online. I hope he is doing the same in this case.

The folks that have left added color and wisdom to the discussions.

texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Tue, 21st Oct '08 11:54 PM

My guess is that Smoke will be back. I don't know about MB or Smaug, and I'm sure Eesus is history.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that smoke will return when she feels we have been "punished" enough.

And, if she sticks to her regular trivia based banter, I'm sure she will get along just spiffy.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:18 AM

The horse is dead - quit beating it.

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:20 AM

The personal profiles for Embee and Smoke20 are both gone.

That indicates to me that they have left the building.

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:26 AM

Smoke is gone...gone from the leaderboard (#14), gone from my friend's list, no pms, nada.

She's not answering her phone, but it is her trivia night.

It feels so empty now...

texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:28 AM

Well, I guess I wagered wrong.



papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 192.9 - Posts: 1025)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:54 AM

Has anyone ever told you that every little whimsical thought and opinion that occurs to you is of general interest to other people?

Then where did you get that idea?

osuzannacollage
Osuzannacollage  (Level: 132.1 - Posts: 1299)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:00 AM


Wagered wrong? Well, here's to you for being able to trivialize something so trivial as a person's feelings (to you) on a trivia site. People matter, and so do their feelings. Just because it's cyberspace doesn't mean that a real person isn't attached.

Again, can we please treat each other with the same respect that we expect from others? It's only decent.

Enough is enough.

Susan

crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:12 AM

This just sucks!!

sploofus
Justin  
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:58 AM

Ridiculous is right. Completely, insanely, unbelievably, hopelessly, pathetically uncalled for. The entire situation. I thought we were adults... but add politics into the mix and.... well...... yeah. Whatever.

Sploofus needs an enema and the sooner it's all flushed out the better.

YAWN

This happens in cycles.... every election year or so.

Just a discussion forum on a trivia web site folks. If it's not fun for you here anymore then please move on to another area of the site, or another site altogether.

Thank you,
Justin


rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:22 AM

Justin....
I can imagine that this kind of acrimony happens in each Election Cycle
( from what I've observed this time around....)
But Justin, please tell me that people tend to come back after the election
is over....and the heat has cooled....

REMEMBER Lodi's "Jib Jab" songs and dances after the Philly get-together

REMEMBER Smoke and Randy's clothes and pictures competition, and how
Smoke ended up almost naked....(**) (LL)



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:43 AM

I have quit twice and rejoined soon after both times. I quit not over anything political but because I had backed myself really into a corner and saw no other way out. I was never as popular as any of these ladies but had taken a firm stand on an issue in which I still believe and wrath descended on my head in "Salty Dog". It is brutal here at times and not the place where folks choose words to spare feelings. The incident here was particularly hurtful to all as they had been real-life friends as well. Each time I have returned it has been more difficult to begin again. Good to hear from ypu, Justin, a little sooner might have been in order though-Linda

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.5 - Posts: 2770)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:34 AM

Justin - how about simply suggesting the 'rule' that I mentioned below in another thread?

"Seems to me that the unwritten rule could profitably apply to Sploofus that works so well in most dinner clubs or whatever that I belong to - just keep off religion & politics.
Both are subjects within which logic and commonsense often disappears out of the window and can cause otherwise normal colleagues to become snarling maniacs!
There are plenty of other newsgroups - to which I also happily belong - in which such subjects can be gloriously vented!"



violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 7:31 AM

Whoa. I am truly saddened by Smoke's departure.

phitzy1
Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 11:44 AM

I think that there are some here that are not so saddened by Donna's departure.

I had opportunity to speak with her today (in fact just hung up) and she is broken up by the vituperative attacks and the fact that no one would stand up for her or back her up.

Yes, we have lost a few community members and that's sad especially since the stuff started coming down upon the reemergence of another member who, in recalling posts, hadn't reared his/her head for quite sometime.

In regards to personal attacks: I have witnessed them, not just directed at Donna, but at other members and those who initiated the attacks are still "on the Island" and have not been cast off. I still see the instigators around, but their intended targets have either changed their identities or jumped ship, feeling they have not a friend in the world.

We may not agree politically or socially, but I think that we call can agree on one thing: This island, this escape from our day-to-day lives, is being eroded through bickering and disagreement, and if we don't sandbag it soon, it's bound to disappear.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 11:49 AM

Thanks, Phitzy! Please tell Donna that there are many here who are blue because she is not here anymore. I have admired her spunk and generosity, and now I just miss it, and her.

stone
Stone  (Level: 35.0 - Posts: 259)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:05 PM

Phitzy, I echo Karen. Please tell Donna and Lodi they are missed. I have stayed away for long periods because I've felt insulted but, the island doesn't suffer when I quit talking. I feel their loss. Please tell them they are terribly missed. Claudette

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:06 PM

I am truly shocked that no one would back her up if she was being attacked. I do not know what the arguments were about, but for her to give up her 14th spot she must have been really hurt, and I don't mean by the person she was arguing with.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:07 PM

Justin,

Without my mother here, there is no reason for me to be here either. I hope she comes back or sadly you will lose another player.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:19 PM

WOW talk about making folks afraid to post. Many people are not heard from for extended periods-does not mean their imput is not valid. Have learned from experience that once you "get into it" here you are pretty much on your own. Afterwards it is a bit like being able to attend your own funeral. All of the people who kept the site lively are missed by me. Found the political threads boring at first then sensed they spelled trouble. I have no idea what should be talked about without anyone getting hurt feelings-got to be something more interesting then a few of the current threads though-no offense. Think if Justin had made his presence known a bit earlier on we might not have gotten where we are now. Currently there are now very few people here other than him who can make a differencewith their single voice. Linda

gypsylady
Gypsylady  (Level: 142.6 - Posts: 6048)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:23 PM

Sheral,

I miss Donna, your mother, and I guess whatever has happened, I missed it. I had just congratulated her in "Shout" yesterday after she had won a "Gold Nugget", and I thought everything was fine then. Tell her I really do miss her, and I remember when she first joined, and have only had good experiences with her of being kind and helpful.

Marilyn...

headylamar
Headylamar  (Level: 150.7 - Posts: 740)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:28 PM

Oh Ruth, I am so sorry that you feel that way. I know there are many folks on this site who are tremendously saddened by her decision. Lots of them may not have the courage to speak out. That doesn't mean that they don't care.

In general, I keep my opinions (political and otherwise) to myself. That "member" was obviously baiting folks, just hoping for a response, so he/she could launch an attack. I felt responding to his ridiculous remarks would only serve to encourage him/her. So, I said nothing... I apologize to Donna for not speaking on her behalf.

Please Donna, know you have folks here who like you; like what you have to say; and miss you already.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:45 PM

Sheral, please tell your Mom that Randy misses her. Due my health, I haven't been keeping up on all the posts & missed some posts. I support Donna, almost everything I've read or heard come out of her mouth is in exact agreement to my way of thinking (can't be 100% or we'd be twins). She's a truly special person & very brainy & blonde too s I'd have e-mailed her this note but I can't find her address. You best tell her to contact me. I wish to send homemade jam to comfort her

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:50 PM

I think the same people will continue to post negatively, I think the same people will try to lighten things up.I think the same people with post passive agressively. I dont understand how Justin is expected to be the magic cure. What I DO know, is that I will miss Smoke.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:50 PM

There are those here who accused my mother of attacking people...would someone please show me just ONE post where she was attacking ANYONE here?

I have talked to my mother and she thanks you all for your kind words.



pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 12:51 PM

sorry should read WILL post passive agressively

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:06 PM

Just thought someone ought to be a bit in charge, Penn. If that constitutes negative posting don't believe I stand alone. Paperman said this am that we are "rudderless" and that we are. I admire Justin's ability to create this thing and know he has issues but the site is floundering at least in chat. The game players who are good at them will keep playing but not only Smoke but Lodi and Embee are gone and chat suffers There are now even more problems with editor credibility in the minds of members-somesay it and some don't. I have no idea who might or might not be an editor but just believe the "secrecy" thing might need revisiting. Linda

crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:20 PM

I am truly saddened by this whole situation.

Normally, I sit back quietly and don't post my opinions on political threads, but I do read them.
The thread yesterday was the last straw for me, when I saw Smoke being personally attacked, and I did come to her defence, but I had to leave for work, and by the time I got home, the thread had been deleted.

I really DO NOT UNDERSTAND how this player has not been cast off the Island as Phitsy put it. How someone could personally attack another person like that and not have any repercussions from, it is beyond me!

Goddess, please tell Smoke her presence is missed is sorely missed. She was a HUGE part of this Island and as far as I'm concerned, always went out of her way to make people feel welcome and comfortable
Unless things begin to get back to the way they were when I first joined (friendly & fun), I will not be renewing my membership.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:23 PM

I will certainly tell her. I have several family members who will not be renewing if this is not resolved. I do not like feeling like I am paying for a site that would allow me to be abused by another player. I can think of better things to do with my money.

The rules are very clear, why have they not been followed? Because of the people doing the attacking?

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:28 PM

Sheral....
Please tell your mother she is a "Goddess" to MOST of us here, and we
would have supported her if we had known what was going on.
Many people - like me - were staying away from the "political" and impolite
threads....because we wanted to enjoy Sploofus without all the hostility.
I'd definitely have supported her if I had known and ADMIRED the thorough
research she did to support her opinions. And I agreed with every word she
said for as long as I've "known" Smoke
Sadly I was just about to ask her for her e-mail address when all this blew
up and now more than regret my laziness....and avoidance of nonsense
that was being spouted by people who seem to feed off contention and
mean-spiritedness.
Please tell Donna that MANY MANY people here love and DO support her
and please to come back when she's ready

jsterling03
Jsterling03  (Level: 65.8 - Posts: 19)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:41 PM

I usually don't post in the forums, but feel I must in this case. I didn't have lots of contact with Smoke, but when I did she was always positive and real cool, and I feel I was the same with her. She was (is) always a pleasure. I've received a bit of abuse from other players; some bad enough that it drove me away for half a year (at least as a paying player). In the end, my love of competition and the good folk on here drew me back. And yeah I've gotten some crap since returning, but nothing (yet) that has made me leave again. Somebody must've really stepped over many lines to make this sweet lady go away and they should be ashamed.... I feel really bad that she's not with the group anymore, and I hope she will come back!

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5314)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:42 PM

Linda, Lodi and Embee left of their own free will. This thing of always trying to bring them back is like giving CPR to someone who has been dead five hours.

Smoke is another matter. She came "under fire" yesterday and I hope she comes back.

Yes, Lodi and a couple others were funny and gave some laughs to the Chat. But we have others who are witty and bright: Chickfbref1 has a quick wit and a sarcastic humor I find interesting, Revdodd can toss some witty punches and Alvandy is delightful, as is Rjenson, and several others. It may not be the same kind of humor but that's OK. It's an evolution or a growing-up process.

Let's quit bemoaning a few who left of their own choice to go off and do their own thing. Let's encourage and enjoy those who are still here.

And let's make it a welcoming place for newcomers.




pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:53 PM

Well said, Salzypat! Perhaps if the energy was spent on doing what you can to improve the site or welcome others, it will bring about the changes people want. Complaining about things, changes nothing. Doing something, just may.
I do hope Smoke changes her mind.
Martina

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 1:54 PM

Pat, your post is good as usual. Linda

toledosugar
Toledosugar  (Level: 51.4 - Posts: 281)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:11 PM

Well said, Pat.
Sharyn

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:15 PM

Just don't like having to choose sides-puts me back in elementary school mode. Lodi and Embee did leave without a "fuss" but something made them decide to do that. The usual thing isto "welcome" newcomers and not let them know that advertising their quizzes will most likely get them bombed. They should also know to be very careful in posting because not only name-calling incurs wrath. It is impossible to find old posts so anyone can tell what was said to whom. The deletions were so fast yesterday that don't know how anyone can determine anything. No more CPR from me for anyone -have at it with the "positive", Penn-good luck-Linda

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:22 PM

The fact that the deletions were fast and furious tells me quite a bit. My question is why some people were not kicked off "the island" for assaulting another player? From what many nice people have told me here, it was a VERY nasty scene.



By making a post to Sploofus bulletin boards or chat systems you agree that you will not submit, upload, send or post:

Defamatory or abusive statements;

Statements which are insulting, bigoted, hateful, racially offensive, disrespectful of any ethnic group, any religion or religious group, disrespectful of any nationality, nation, or region of origin, disrespectful of any gender or sexual orientation, or which endorse or advocate illegal or immoral activity;


taco24
Taco24  (Level: 131.0 - Posts: 589)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:23 PM

I am so sorry to read of this matter. Smoke was always so warm and encouraging to me. Very disappointing to read of her departure. Smoke, hope you reconsider. Please remember many do care.

Thanks!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:41 PM

What I saw was indeed unpleasant for many but cannot see where any of those terms were violated-opinions only as far as I could tell. No, I'm not taking sides but "kicking" anyone off the site is serious and no proof can be given of anything that transpired. unless the editors somehow keep records. TSK is an attorney and certainly knows more than I do-would not blameTSK though if he did not comment. If just being "positive" would rid the site of the deep seated anger here which as far as I can determine started with a disagreement between two friends, might give it a go. I was not particularly angry about anything but am rapidly approaching that state. The whole thing is sad. Linda- lets all turn in support tickets as was advised yesterday and then the issue will go away

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:44 PM

Insulting someone, hateful statements and abusive posts.

You don't see where any of that was said? Then why the deletions?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 2:52 PM

GEEZ now we are doing the "he said-she said" thing. People on the other"side" would saythat is because one had connections in "high" places thus the deletions-and the anger continues Linda

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:05 PM

"GEEZ now we are doing the "he said-she said" thing. People on the other"side" would saythat is because one had connections in "high" places thus the deletions-and the anger continues Linda"

The difference between your "he-said she-said" and mine? Is that I know my mother. She does not have thin-skin. I understand there was quite a bit of abuse behind the scene as well...things you may not be privvy to.

The whole thing about editors...whatever.

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.1 - Posts: 1683)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:11 PM

Linda, my only guess is that you could not possibly have been on the site yesterday when Donna was being personally attacked otherwise you would have read the hateful things being said to her and to anyone who defended her. The posts were deleted so at this point, unless as you said the editors kept copy of the text, all is just "forgotten." I can assure you, those of us that read the post will never forget the venom. I just hope everyone who was involved thinks long and hard before hurting someone else. I consider one's integrity or the lack of same to be the fabric by which they are measured.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:18 PM

No, I have never been party to the "inner circle" here. I'm sure you know your mother and she has always been nice to me. Just cannot understand where you are going with this other than totally wrench he membership apart by voting or something equally riidiculous. I do not type well and am tired. Your mother can come back if she chooses as I and others have done. I'll grant you it is ahumbling experience to start over. Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:20 PM

Yes Lucimoore is correct -- it wasnt pretty --- at one point, I made a sarcastic (I know, what a shock) crack in response to what was being said -- and it was rightly deleted also -- the posts were mean and specific -- and should have been deleted.

crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:25 PM

What I saw yesterday was indeed Defamatory AND Abusive. It was done for one reason only, and that was to hurt Smoke.
And yes...I AM taking sides.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:28 PM

"Just cannot understand where you are going with this other than totally wrench he membership apart by voting or something equally riidiculous"

I have no idea what that means, but I will accept that you are tired and didn't proofread.

Where am I going with this? I am here gathering names of the people that my mother wants to stay in touch with. I am giving them emails and forwarding their kind words at their request. I am not part of any "inner circle" (as you call it) and can count on both hands how many times I have posted before today. I am here for my mother...I am sorry if that threatens to "wrench apart the membership", though I am pretty darn sure I don't have that kind of power.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 3:58 PM

Did not intend to offend you with my comment about being "party to the inner circle" bu your "behind the scenes" reference led me there. It is quite possible that I missed many things-just abhor this whole thing. If I make another error in judgment or otherwise I am sure Penn will note it-Linda

maple542
Maple542  (Level: 91.3 - Posts: 135)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 4:01 PM

From Wikipedia:

Cyber-bullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others.

It is good to see that there are members of Sploofus willing to take a stand against this form of harassment.

spicyhedgehog
Spicyhedgehog  (Level: 96.2 - Posts: 69)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 4:16 PM

I am truely gutted that Donna has gone. man this Island is just getting crazier by the minute. i hope that something will be resolved and that Smoke comes back when she is ready please pass on my very best wishes goddess.

R x

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 4:58 PM

"Did not intend to offend you with my comment about being "party to the inner circle" bu your "behind the scenes" reference led me there"

What I meant was that my mother has told me of the hateful IM's she recieved. Nothing to do with here.

texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:01 PM

But still... No-one defends Lodi or Embee.... Does anyone remember why they left? Embee made it quite clear. I miss her, and am sad that she left due to personal attacks. Same with Lodi.

Is there anyone who will stand up for them, and condemn the attacks THEY were treated to? Or is everyone else innocent. Yes, the deleted posts were personal. Just as the attacks on Lodi and Embee were personal. I regret that anyone left. Smoke included. But I mostly regret the loss of Lodi and Embee. They didn't do anything to deserve the hateful PM's they got and abuse they were subjected to.

Continue to fight and condemn, if you choose. But the bottom line is, no-one was innocent, though some play the martyr well. Some chose to leave. Some stayed. So be it. Personal choice. Move on....

Or, continue to blame and condemn. Perhaps, then, others will leave, too. But probably not the ones you hope.

crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:11 PM

I read these forums every day, and not once did I see anyone attack Embee or Eesus. I happen to admire both these people, especially Lodi.

Belive me, if I had seen them being personally attacked, I'm sure I would have responded in some way.
If it is a political disagreement, that's one thing: agree to disagree. But when it becomes personal, then it has crossed the line, as far as I'm concerned.

texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:18 PM

C4G.

Embee made it quite clear why she left. I doubt she made it up. Correct that. I know she didn't make it up.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.6 - Posts: 1651)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:35 PM

Yes we know why Lodi and Embee left (and it wasn't TEX!). It was clearly written. However, it was deleted.

Miss you Lodi!
and
Embee!

Class

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tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:43 PM

I always considered Smoke (Donna) one of the more rational people on this site. I did a posting on one thread that supported Smoke. Since she has always seemed very capable of defending herself, I didn't really think this was necessary.

I still don't see why anybody quits because somebody made a "personal attack" on them -- unless it was Justin doing the attacking.

I still support a hands-off approach to site censorship, and frankly it had been my impression from several of her posts that this was Smoke's view as well.

I have a political philosphy that is very much a small minority of Americans, and when I post on politics, I expect to be attacked verbally. I'm not going to let attacks of such nature to change my behavior because then the attacker has won.

jeannette
Jeannette  (Level: 110.8 - Posts: 1736)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 5:50 PM

i am very upset that donna has gone i didnt see the post because of the big debate over politics i have tended to stop out of salty at the moment .so i do not know what has been said .i do know we seem to be losing a lot of people who keep the site entertaining .and have made it seem like a big extended family ,and made me very wellcome when i joined the site ,and if whishes could come true ,i wish them all back

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5314)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:05 PM

Tex, I didn't know Lodi personally but from exchanges on Salty Dog, I am absolutely positive she was tough enough to take anything anyone dished out and hand it back twice as tough.

I'm rather amused you think you need to come to her defense. Had she really wanted to stay in Sploofus, I know she could have taken care of things herself.









texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:09 PM

I heard a rumor of hateful IM's to Smoke.

I can honestly say I had NO part in that. No PM's from me to her, nor any IM's in any forum or form. So, I can't speak to the validity of that comment, nor can I speak to their content. Everything I posted is (somewhat) public knowledge. So, if it was IM's that made her call it quits, the blame lies elsewhere. I don't even know her IM addresses. Yahoo, ICQ or otherwise. Heck, I don't even know her email addy.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:13 PM

Thanks, TSK. I trust that you know what you are talking about.-what you do for a living. I, unlike Smoke, guess have a pretty thin skin and my feelings get hurt but my own fault that I quit. Getting awfully sick of know-it-alls acting like they know how to improve things when all hey do is "suck up" big time. Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:15 PM

If Justin has something to say other than "YAWN" to all of this I'll gladly lsten!!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:17 PM

It's a sad state of affairs that political postings got to such a state that members have quit over it, including Lodi, Embee and Smoke.

I think the reason political discussions don't work on this site is that Sploofus has a social networking component that message boards dedicated to political discussions and rants don't have. On those boards, people hammer the other side without a moment's thought, posters gang up on others, etc. On Sploofus, because of the nature of what it is, people have formed friendships for a variety of reasons - what they have in common and what they don't have in common. There are a variety of things to do, and the message board supports that, as well as other topics.

When you're talking to someone in person - including friends - you can read body language, tone, etc., and when the conversation veers into misunderstanding, it can be sorted out quickly. That's very hard to do here.

I think the tragedy here is that some folks who were once friends, aren't anymore because of things that have been posted. Like I said at the last departure, I hope none have quit in vain and that things change so this doesn't happen again.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:27 PM

That makes good sense, Pepperdoc. Wish I could type better so that my posts would ot be ridiculed because of that-Linda

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusaurus (Editor)  
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:29 PM

Administration has found absolutely NO evidence to support any allegations of PM misconduct from Smoke20/Donna.

There are no PMs from her of a vicious, hateful or spiteful content to any other member.

Eesusbejesus and Embee left for their own reasons.

Please discontinue posting to this thread.

texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:30 PM

I'm sure Lodi can defend herself quite well. And Embee could as well. But they didn't. And I didn't want to lose anymore friends.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:32 PM

"But still... No-one defends Lodi or Embee.... Does anyone remember why they left? Embee made it quite clear. I miss her, and am sad that she left due to personal attacks. Same with Lodi."

Looks like you are. I am sure they appreciate that.

I am not going to argue about who is right or wrong, I know my mother is hurt and that is all I care about. She does not need my help but she is my mother and it matters to me.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:34 PM

Thank you editor.

texlewee
Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 601)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:36 PM

Just read Saurus's post.

Consider my contributions to this thread done.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:46 PM

I met Lodi, and she seemed like a very tough individual. At the time she left, I had seen no personal attacks on her of any substance. Methinks she wanted to go for other reasons, and just hammed it up on the way out.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusaurus (Editor)  
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:47 PM

Lodi/Eesusbejesus, MayBeth/Embee and Donna/Smoke20 will all be missed by those who care about them.

Let the matter go now, so that wounds can heal.

Please discontinue posting to this thread.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 6:51 PM

Geesus, you know you can't tell me not to do sumpin...I'm like the evil little kid in 1st grade who was always in the principal's office, once you tell me not to...NOW I HAVE TO!!

Me.

xhoney1
Xhoney1  (Level: 76.0 - Posts: 185)
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 7:11 PM

Somebody please point me in the direction of the threads/posts where Smoke was being attacked/insulted...where are they? I read these posts every single day and did not see any...WHY? Because they were deleted.

If I had seen anyone insulting Smoke, I would have dragged my non-paying ass out of the woodwork and defended her on my hands and knees to the death. But some of us just did not know any of this was happening because as fast as the posts are written, they are deleted.

I miss my interactions with Sploofus very much. I had the honor of having a PM back and forth with Lodi before she left...she is still my friend and so is Smoke. Charles and I never renewed our memberships which expired last April. Our memberships had expired and coincidentally I had won the WTHAI before we renewed. We were going to go Platinum for the first time. I put in a support ticket requesting that my free Gold membership that I had just won be transferred to my friend TheSimps (Alaskan's son), stating that Charles and I wanted to pay for our memberships and give TheSimps a month of free Gold. I got no response. Why would I pay the Platinum fee when the site I want to support won't even answer me? So I remain in the "woodwork".

Justin's response the other day pissed me off, I can't even tell you..."yeah, whatever", were just a couple of his words, as well as "there are other websites" or something to that effect. How dare he...Smoke and Lodi were his loyal supporters for years.

Smoke and Lodi, I wish you both well and I, too, am saddened by the fact that I don't have either of your email addresses.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofunky (Editor)  
Wed, 22nd Oct '08 9:05 PM

Consider this post a thread lock. DO NOT make any further posts to this thread. Thank you for your cooperation.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 26th Oct '08 12:14 PM

Why?

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.6 - Posts: 1651)
Sun, 26th Oct '08 1:04 PM

Because if you tell THE TRUTH, it will be deleted anyway.

resolsufoolps
Resolsufoolps  (Level: 20.7 - Posts: 95)
Sun, 26th Oct '08 1:35 PM

Catch Me If You Can



"Hey! Big Rago. I smell your feet from here. I like it."








Oops! Sorry, wrong thread...my bad!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 26th Oct '08 2:29 PM

Okay! I'll quit posting on this thread.


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