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Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 599)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 5:09 PM


In the beginning, I thought I was trying to show the truth about Obama to those who have been misled.

Ayers connections, Reverend Wright et al. I tried in every feasible way I could think of to show that Obama was against everything I think America believes in, with his Socialist views, his expanded Government Programs, his wealth redistribution plans and everything else.

I felt like I was banging my head against a wall...

Then, I realized... it was most of YOU who were banging your heads against walls.

You kept trying to tell me. Ayers doesn't matter, because WE believe what Ayers believes (excpet, I hope, for the blowing up buildings part)

It doesn't matter that you say Obama doesn't believe in the Consitution as it is currently written. BECAUSE WE DON'T EITHER.

It doesn't matter that Obama wants to take away the wealth from our richest citizens. BECAUSE WE DO, TOO.

It doesn't matter that you say Obama is a Socialist., BECAUSE WE ARE, TOO.

I realized my stupidity is trying to show you the FACTS as to why you should not vote for Obama, when, in reality, those FACTS are the reason you are.

I finally realized that you WANT a SOCIALIST as PRESIDENT.

How stupid I was to believe that so many who live, work, and thrive in a capitalist system would want it changed to a Socialist one.

So, to what I'm sure will get hurrah's from many, I give up.

And if Obama wins, I hope you are one of the ones that gets something for nothing. THEN you will know you voted the right way. I'm not giving up on my principals. I STILL don't believe I, or anyone else, should be forced to feed, house and clothe others. That is what charity is for. VOLUNTARY charity. Not state mandated. I feed an clothe my family. THAT'S who I owe. If I choose to help through local charities, that is MY choice.

But once agian, there is the difference. You think its the Government who can and should solve everyone's problems. That government should be the main source of charitable works. Thus, your support of a SOCIALIST candidate.

So, I give up. Because I realize that what you truly want is a SOCIALIST president. And it is my folly to to try and convince you otherwise.

Garrybl  (Level: 293.8 - Posts: 6801)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 5:19 PM

Why has it taken you so long?
Couldn't you see that all you were doing was antagonizing people on the site who just did not want to listen?
Didn't you get it that this is not a site for political rants? And if not now, when?

Maurlin  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 2718)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 5:21 PM

Hell must have just frozen over. I finally agree with you, Tex.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 5:22 PM

I don't really want you to give up, I enjoy your posts.....and disagree that Sploofus is not the place to discuss political issues. Although I think the constitution issue was just me, and I doubt that many agree on that point, I was only partially serious anyways.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 5:47 PM

Tex - you don't antagonize me - just for the record.

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2291)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 5:54 PM

Hell froze over??? You mean the Saints won the Superbowl.

Tex, well written and well said.

Voting for Obama anyway.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:05 PM

I am remaining silent with my views on this election for next Tuesday. I don't want either candidate, but I will pick the best of two evils. "Tex", if you are still on this site and if this site is still here next November 4th, you have the right to say,"

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:06 PM

Ah...Tex will move on to the "Who's the Stronger Man....Fred or Barney?" argument.


Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:09 PM

Thanks for trying.

Apinavl  (Level: 37.5 - Posts: 59)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:42 PM


Spacecat  (Level: 165.1 - Posts: 676)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:49 PM

Kudos to Barrack Hussein Obama for scheduling an infomercial prior to one of the most anticipated baseball games in Pennsylvania history. After seeing this if I could vote I would vote for him. He wouldn't lie to his countryman would he?

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21612)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:56 PM

Tex no longer has a profile I will miss him as I miss all those who have gone before. NO ONE can argue about his intelligence nor his enthusiam even if you don't like his style and his political view=Linda

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 6:58 PM

I don't think he'd lied. I believe that he will follow through on his pledge of killing unborn children. He appears to be a man of his word about taxing the successful small business man in to oblivion as well. And of course he'll remove our Troops from his forefather's terrain. Never call the man a liar. He will not let us down on these issues.

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 7:08 PM

I just don't understand why people keep quitting the site because they have been offended by what somebody said or, apparently in Tex's case, because he was unsuccessful in persuading others to his point of view.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 7:21 PM

I just don't think "Socialist" is a dirty word. I think people get it mixed up with "Communist".

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 7:36 PM

That really sucks - as one of the minority on this site in terms of my beliefs - I give kudos to Tex for standing up - no matter how inflammatory - to get "the other side" out there.

The fun and always outrageous Lodi - Smaug, while his profile is still there - is silent - and the fun atmosphere that existed is gone - no matter how many posts are deleted - the fact remains that the sharp tongues and sly stabs of the Obama supporters ruled the Salty Dog for a long time until Tex stepped up with his outlandish post - it got us "chickens" to come out of the woodwork.

How sad - but I guess many are doing the happy happy joy joy dance.

Dum(b) Dum(b) Dum(b) - Another one bites the dust

1mks  (Level: 221.0 - Posts: 5929)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 8:18 PM


Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5673)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 8:28 PM

How many more are going to leave before the rest of us wake up and smell the coffee? This is getting utterly ridiculous now...I've enjoyed all the posts although some have made me angry but I kept my own personal political beliefs pretty much to myself. I wasn't for the name calling or the other crap that went on here on the boards though. After all, it is suppose to be a free country and we do have freedom of speech but this mess got way out of hand!
This is going to be one election I will be glad to see end! Sploofus is no longer a fun place to gather and meet friends and exchange thoughts and ideas. This is just my two cents worth on the subject...Come on folks...or do I have to drag out my trusty two by four and start knocking heads together? I can bop Republicans and Democrats alike up side the head.

Pennwoman  (Level: 163.1 - Posts: 2475)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 8:47 PM

Oh come on! Tex quit because he couldnt convince anyone of his stance? That is clearly his choice, albeit a silly reason, at least in my eyes. I wish he would have stayed, I appreciated his posts when they were not ranting. This just makes the others leaving, all the more painful.

Oogie54  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1120)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 8:50 PM

"If I were a betting man, I'd wager (Tex) will be back when he feels everyone has been "punished" enough."

1mks  (Level: 221.0 - Posts: 5929)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 8:59 PM

Exactly who are you quoting? I hate to see anyone leave ......... for any reason.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21612)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:16 PM

Geesus-didn'tsomeone say in effect when someone else quit-the horse is dead quit beating it?-yep, SUCKS!! I am too illinformed to be polutical-shame on me. If you make light of anyonw quitting here-SMAME ON YOU!! Linda

Oogie54  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1120)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:16 PM

I am quoting the mysteriously disappearing Tex himself actually, only his cavalier reference was about Smoke.

Oogie54  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1120)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:17 PM

Exactly my point Linda.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:22 PM

I am saddened that Tex left, like I have been about all the others.

I wish had been keeping track up to this point. I've lost count.

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2291)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:34 PM

Damn. I PM'd him a couple of weeks ago and told him that although I don't agree with any of his views I will back his right to say then.


Justin says this happens every election..... Let's hope it stops.

And let's hope that Justin will give back points to anyone who chooses to come back.


Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5673)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:49 PM

I do not remember it being this bad back during the 2004 election...but the site was fairly young then and not many players were here.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:50 PM

This is Sploofus first "election" -

I think with the majority of the caliber people here on Sploofus that many of us are more "intellectual" than the average Joe...and like to be challenged.

In the past few months though, many of the posts remind me of some of my college professors who were undoubtedly liberal and talked to me like I was stupid for my beliefs both politically and religiously - most irritating of course, was that I was paying to listen to this crap - but was intent on bettering my education.

I guess the same can apply here. I think because we have all lived together peacefully in the past for the most part, that as I said before - the one sided posts (because hey, the other side was not responding) finally got to him - and he jumped in. And then all hell broke loose. As long as it was a free for all McCain/Palin bash - there were no complaints and no removals of posts.

I just think it's sad.

It's going to be a boring island when everyone is all the same and "equal"....

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:52 PM

Oogie - I don't think he'll be back, anymore than I think Lodi will be back...just for the record.

Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5673)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 9:55 PM

I totally agree with you Kaelin...well said.

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:03 PM

I really wish Tex had stayed - he could be very entertaining! He and I exchanged a couple of very rational and well mannered pms. I didn't agree with his politics or his methods of conveying information but I certainly admired his passion. I really hope no one else feels the need to leave.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:12 PM

Dang, he did leave. You'll be missed Tex.

Maurlin  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 2718)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:24 PM

I'm quite shocked that Tex has left. As much as I disagreed with him, I certainly did not want to see "This user does not have a public profile available". I always saw him as someone comfortable with his beliefs and very sure of himself. I thought his statement about giving up meant that he was just going to quit posting his political stuff because we were so hopelessly deluded, not picking up his marbles and going home.

It's quite unfortunate that so many have left because of political differences. This is a trivia site...we should be able to deal with trivialities and kick back...using this as a refuge from all that that outside stuff.

That was my 3 cents worth.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:28 PM

Lorri - you said "as one of the minority on this site in terms of my beliefs." I don't believe that's true for a minute. I believe many on Sploofus have our beliefs. There are 40,000 people on that Sploofus membership list, and only a few who have actually weighed in about their political beliefs.

But conservatism by definition is...well...conservative. The vast majority ARE that "silent majority" - they don't go around arguing or being outlandish or even drawing any attention to themselves. I've even had people PM me saying that the liberals on the site are so intolerant of conservative views that they're literally intimidated to come out here and state their support for conservatism, but that they're glad we're out there saying the things we and they believe in. And they just don't want to take a chance on losing their Sploofus friends by stating their conservative beliefs.

Same with Christians. They're out there feeding the hungry, helping the poor, contributing to the needy both close by their neighborhoods and out where the hurricanes and crises are. They're too busy actually doing the work of helping the needy to be in here trying to make a case against the government taking the money out of their hard working hands and giving it to causes they don't even believe in or screwing up what they can do directly, more efficiently, and better. But they're conservative, and quiet, and they pray for people rather than trying to argue with them.

I agree with Tex about the people who support Obama not caring about all the points he made. Just like he said above, they truly are fine with socialism, possible friendships with a terrorist/murderer, and maybe even with his belief that children born after a botched abortion should be ignored and left to die, rather than receive medical attention.

Tex just had more faith in people than I did. Tex actually DID believe in change. And he put words to his belief, and he put facts to his words. He was the brave one who spoke for those who just couldn't bring themselves to jump into the frothing water and take a chance on losing their Sploofus friends because of their beliefs. But that doesn't mean those people aren't out there. And it doesn't even mean Tex didn't cause many people to think and rethink and study the situation more. They just didn't tell anyone.

Oogie54  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1120)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:33 PM

Maybe Tex heard about the McCain/Kahlidi/Ayers connection and just couldn't take it anymore

Maddy1303  (Level: 10.3 - Posts: 36)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:44 PM

ok i am definitly someone who does not often participate in political conversations i just feel the need to add something here. Although the first post that tex started was a bit offensive, i enjoyed reading his facts and learning new things about obama. As a person who is NOT voting in this election because i do not like either of the major candidates! i do have to state that i will miss his educated posts!

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5425)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:47 PM

I suspect Tex will be back. No one argued with him, no one called him names. Recent posts, pro and con, were very civil and well thought out. As I recall he was gone for a while a couple years ago and then came back.

He just made a grand exit.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:51 PM

Pat, I hope you're right. I do think he received some PMs that were a bit different from what's out here. But he probably sent some too!

Garrybl  (Level: 293.8 - Posts: 6801)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 10:53 PM

Will the site be a kindler gentler place without him? (look what happened to GHWB after he said THAT)!

My bet is yes; is the site a less entertaining place without Lodi (and for a while smoke)? Also yes we're glad you're back.

Consider it a sacrifice for the greater good of sploofus.

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 11:20 PM

In your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to.

Diva305  (Level: 153.4 - Posts: 1655)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 11:24 PM

Tex is right. This place is like watching Jay Walking on Leno.

Post something or even DIRECTLY QUOTE another poster, and it's deleted.

Unfortunately people have left, Embee, Lodi, now Tex. Contrary to some people's "dreams", they won't be coming back and they're not "hiding in the bushes" so to speak.

And it's NOT just about political threads based upon my own personal knowledge and belief.

Have a nice night dearies.

Thanks for trying Tex.

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 11:35 PM

I, for one, do NOT think it is for the greater good of Sploofus, at all.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.0 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 30th Oct '08 11:51 PM

Lisa and Jank, you are both so right.

Bleepy  (Level: 148.9 - Posts: 626)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 3:01 AM

What a shame! It was/is obvious that Tex was well-informed. He did his research and just wanted to share what he found out. He was probably too strong for many here, and I'm sure it just got too frustrating. I don't think Tex was out to hurt anyone, really. To the contrary, I believe that he sees this election as an accident ready to happen and wanted to help. But I know we all have our own reasons for believing in what we do.

For those of you who are sorry to see Tex go, in his spirit maybe you can just research what he said for yourselves. Go to solid, dependable, nonbiased sourses(if you can find them) and try to make an informed decision. At the end of the day, you might see things one way or the other, but at least you can firmly support your vote.

This election should not be about vengence against the republicans for President Bush, it should not be about following the crowd, it should not be about wanting to make "cool" history, and it should not be about smooth speakers. This is not Presidential Idol.

Now, there I said it...

I hope you all have a GREAT day! with your consciences!

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 3:04 AM

Garry, I have a question. How do you breathe with your head in the sand. Please forward all of Tex's hate and idiot mail to me, Have a nice day.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21612)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 3:52 AM

Where is that person now who said in effect that they didn't believe some were saddened by another person's exit-profile and all? Guess that was just an issue wen that person is/was a friend. I have not taken sides politically but this whole thing has made me VERY angry with the one-sided deletions and all. People like TSk and STOUT (know I have omitted others) had intellectual debate with Tex by presenting views opposite to his. which made it interesting here-not simply "pats" although many of those deserved too and I will miss him. If this is about making wagers, I'm wagering Tex will not return-Linda

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 4:00 AM

We can't call anyone a Jerk anymore, right? Linda Rocks!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 7:19 AM

Rg, you said "This is not Presidential Idol." hahahahahaha

I had never thought of it that way. That's genius. You rock, too! Thank you for that line. Every once in awhile someone says something that you'll remember forever. I'll remember your line forever about this election.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 7:20 AM

Argh! Sorry. RJ!!! (My best friend's handle is Rg - it was just muscle memory taking over)

RJ is genius.

Alvandy  (Level: 241.6 - Posts: 7719)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 7:34 AM

In the U.S. election next Tuesday, one candidate for president is black- one candidate is white.

Every major political and philosophical issue has shades of GRAY. Intellectual discussion and fact checking would help every voter make an informed choice. What has happened on Salty Dog lately is - not enough GRAY was evident.

Not being open to careful and dispassionate listening creates hard feelings sometimes. We have witnessed that.

I challenged Tex's logic and facts often during the past month or so. He did not send me any private messages, nor I to hm. We discussed our beliefs in an open forum.

I'll miss him too. He believed in his convictions and fought for them.
I believe he respected mine.

Things will calm down around here soon.

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2498)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 7:57 AM

Really. I hadn't looked at it from that racist standpoint. Nice perspective. Hey, are you any kin to that..............................

Wordster  (Level: 167.7 - Posts: 938)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 7:58 AM

Jank, my very good lady friend in Massachusetts who you would term a liberal (she has always voted Democrat) spent years working in a soup kitchen helping out the needy. So don't think it's just conservatives that do or care about that type of thing.
For the record: as an outsider it seems to me that both sides are equally intolerant of each other on this board. Hang in there until the election is over then I bet things will cool off. It seems most likely that Mr. Obama will be elected and my bet is the end of the US as we know it WILL NOT be nigh. I also bet that his aspirations for the United States are pretty much the same as all Americans even if his ideology is different.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 8:12 AM

Steve, you are definitely very right. I have some best friends who are some of the greatest people I've ever met, who are as atheist as they come. They are in the taxes and mortgage/lending industry and have dedicated their lives to helping people (they remind me of George in It's a Wonderful Life, trying to help people buy homes who no one else might help - and no, not the Freddie/Fannie type thing. Just helping put the right people with the right mortgage.)

I was specifically talking about people who are out working, NOT wanting the government to interfere with their work (Christian missionary work or conservative donation of time/energy/$$), because I think we all know that everything the government puts its collective hand to gets riddled with waste and overexpenditures and red tape and invasive rules that make everything cost much more and help less. Those people are not here debating - or informing. They're out putting hands and feet to the work.

The Dem platform is for the government to raise taxes and control the sharing of wealth. I haven't read any Dems here arguing for the government getting their hand out of that business. But I know many Christians and conservatives who do want the government to stop trying to control the way they help people.

So why would I mention Dems or non-Christians who also help people in my debate? Those Dems or non-Christians aren't complaining. And if Obama wins, they get their way.

Lettermanfan1  (Level: 88.3 - Posts: 486)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 8:16 AM

Won't miss him at all. Considered him the "Bill O'Reilly" of Sploofus. That's not a compliment, though it's my guess he would take it as one.

Gerryn  (Level: 18.7 - Posts: 141)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 9:45 AM

He'll be back after he's stood in line for 2 hours to vote and after he licks his wounds. I'm new but he appears to like having a platform and an audience for his opinions.


Foogs  (Level: 282.5 - Posts: 847)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 9:48 AM

Not shedding crocodile tears.

But at least he went out honestly. He couldn't accomplish
his goal so he left. Hey, nice try.

He could have lobbed a grenade, as others have done, and
taken a cheap shot at other players or at editors just before
deleting his account, but he didn't.

Chalk one up for Tex.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21612)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 9:54 AM

Believe that is true for many here-new or old-liking a platform that is-nice if your platform conforms to the most vocal majority as Tex's did not. Know from experience that once you are gone for a bit-you are for all practical purposes forgotten except by a few with whom you maintain contact. Wonds are deep here for some-beyond the political I do believe. Guess most likely things will return to "Salty Dog" being consumed by puzzle pats-No, i have nothing against the puzzles or the folks who write them-just believe itmakes for a boring thread. Linda

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21612)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 10:39 AM

I will make an exception to my last statement that once you are gone-soon forgotten Smaug still has a profile but is silent. He certainly had strong opinions and offended some at times-count myself in that group. However, his quick wit has made him a legend here. I hope he is well and that he decides to participate again ashe is missed-Linda

Resolsufoolps  (Level: 20.7 - Posts: 94)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 11:02 AM

I vote for Bam-Bam being the strongest one...............

Wordster  (Level: 167.7 - Posts: 938)
Fri, 31st Oct '08 7:24 PM

Tex is obviously one of those people who gets really overexcited and carried away. It's not surprising it lead to him leaving. Who knows maybe he'll be back when the election is settled. It's sad that he left but I won't miss his rants.

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