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Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 2:55 PM


The past several months have really been distressing for me for my favorite sanity break. I was communicating with someone about how I've tried to get the word out and not just because I wanted to when the membership guessing contest...was thrilled to see the page that I created for my website business site actually comes up 7th in google search - all those keyword and search engine optimization studies have paid off - just wish I knew how many people joined through that page -- maybe Justin can look at his logs and see if I send anyone in through that.

BUT, as has been stated before, I look at the number of people who interact on the boards and compare it to the number of members, and it's very minute.

I love a good, sane discussion where bright people can exercise their brains, and I miss so much Lodi, Embee, Tex and Smaug's silence. Aslan was another of my favorites who just "went away". There has been a balance shift during these "election times" that saddens me. I received a PM from someone telling me they didn't understand how I could say that conservatives were being attacked and that "we" (because that's what I am) were the ones doing all the attacking - not true - but irrelevant at this point.

I came very close to cancelling my account the other day because this crap still seems to continue on - I'm not happy with the election results, moreso because of the 3 headed monster now in place, but like all others sitting where I sit, it's done.

It would be nice to see all of us be able to turn a new direction and let it die and let Sploofus boards come back to where more people than just the few want to come in and "see what's going on" - I don't even click on much of the stuff here anymore knowing it's only going to tick me off -- that's not why I came here...and I don't think anyone came here for that...

I'm in no way trying to quell free speech - so please understand that. That's my 2 cents and you can take it for what it's worth - how many more might join in - and although the people I miss and I know others miss are not replaceable, how many more fun and energetic and entertaining people are lurking around that might come out of the woodwork and bring the verbal interaction back to the fun it used to be?

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 3:08 PM

I feel very different. I don't think that some of the people who did leave left over political discussions, and I find the boards far more enjoyable and brain-picking now that those discussions are included. I rarely look at this board unless some discussion of political interest is going on....or one of my favorite players has posted something.

Bbear  (Level: 167.3 - Posts: 2297)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 3:14 PM

Kaelin - hang out on the island chat forum. It's fun, funny and light. I personally like the more heated discussions and do participate but never in such a way that I say anything mean. The fact the people are passionate just shows what a bright and interesting eclectic gang we are.

Look to the left, then turn left, then go left again and I'm somewhere to the left of that, but some of the people I like the most on this site (Tex in particular) don't have to agree with me but still talk to me. I like that.

What is your website Sploofus page you are talking about? I'd love to see it.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 5:31 PM

(Stout, I respectfully disagree.)

Lorri, I miss a lot of the flavor that used to be on these boards.

1mks  (Level: 219.5 - Posts: 5925)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 5:50 PM

Well said Lorrie. I too miss those that have left.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 6:04 PM

Honestly, I miss very much the people who left, and "miss their flavor", but talking briefly with Lodi it seems far more complicated and much more involved than just people talking about politics. Though I don't "talk" to Tex, many of the complaints Lodi brought up about sploofus were also present in many of the deleted posts I had a chance to read. I cannot speak for the other two. I just think personally it would be mistake to avoid discussion of politics, as I don't think that's all it was, miss them or not.

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 6:21 PM

There have been many non political threads started recently that have been very entertaining. Good Lord - Pennwoman alone is responsible for at least 2 positive posts a day (love ya, Martina). But still it's the same people who are posting - so what are you suggesting to get more people from Sploofus involved in the boards? I think it would be great but you can't make people do anything. There have been awesome posts to respond to - it's quite possible that the majority of Sploofusers are members for the games only. I miss the others too, but I don't see what can be done about that. And Smaug has crawled from underneath his rock here lately, so there is that - for whatever it's worth. I'm glad you didn't quit, Lorri. I think things are getting better here, so stick around!

Koota  (Level: 187.9 - Posts: 2114)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 6:22 PM

I have to agree with Lorri (Kaelin) and Pepperdoc on this one.

I hate what the heated discussions did to the fun on our website. Sploofusers who were former friends don't talk to each other. Some of my dear, dear friends left this site all together. I had met both Lori and MB in person and had fun with both of them.

We have proven that we can't discuss politics in an intellectual way. Nor can we "agree to disagree".

Take your political discussions somewhere else.

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 6:22 PM

Lorri, there is such a delightful mix of topics on Salty Dog. The political threads are pretty much over with now. I think there are four up now "Paying for This," "President Bush" and "Duties," which is sorta politcal but not totally, and "President Obama."

There are three threads about dogs -- Elaine needing consoling after the death of her trusted friend Rusty; Pennwoman wanting ideas on the best kinds of dogs for pets; and Smoke introducing us to Buster, her new puppy.

After that there are a variety of subjects: Tournament ranks, add a number 4, "Kicking Clinton's Tail" (which isn't what you think), breaking up (romances), South Beach Diet, Guess the film quote 2, and pride in America. Further down there are some birthday congratulations and a few Players of the Day.

It just seems like there is something here for everyone and you can easily avoid the threads that are political if that's not your cup of tea. The more recent political threads appear to me to be respectful and thoughtful. It's a shame someone has to send political messages by PM to individuals - keep them in the threads so everyone knows what is said.

As to those who have left: Lodi and Embee left of their own free will and I don't think it had a thing to do with politics (but I might be wrong but it seems the fires were heating up before the political debate started). Tex has been gone before and returned and I suspect he might again. But I don't recall that anyone was mean to him or disrespectful to him. They debated with him on his beliefs. I felt from his last post that he left out of frustration because he didn't feel he had been able to sway anyone to his way of thinking.

As for Smaug, he's lurking in the shadows and when you least expect it, he's going to jump out. He's sort of like Zorro right now. He rides in, drops a comment or two and is gone again and no one knows where he came from or where he went!.

A Chinese proverb says "Don't curse the darkness, light a candle." So, Lorri, if you'll get the candles I'll hunt up some matches and maybe some others on the threads will find some candleholders, and together we can all add new light (and life) to Salty Dog. But it's going to take all of us.

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 8:10 PM

Hey kids...sorry so many of you feel this way. I know for a fact that the political posts and venom had nothing to do with MB and Easy leaving. Hell yea...I miss MB and Easy on this site, but I'm happy to say they are both friends and I talk to them more often than they would like. It was their choice to leave, so let's just move on.

Some people like the heated banter, some don't. Personally if I'm feeling particulary shitty one day, I find anything that Vickie posted and I know it will make me feel better. There are also people like ...ahem...Linda... who don't particularly care for the "fluff" ( I think can quote her on that). To each his own.

There is alot of really great posts (personally I'm addicted to that geography "map" thing and completely convinced that the owners of that site have a personal grudge against me). Some don't really appeal to me, but it's ALWAYS been that way.

It's kinda like your family, some people are really cool, but every family has that dumbass uncle that gets drunk at Christmas and starts a fight. Ya take the good with the bad, the up with the down, the right with the wrong and the great people with the A holes.


Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 10:25 PM

I kind of think that everyone has there own way of thinking about every different subject in the world so I think we should just accept people for what they think and try to get along without resorting to name calling or bashing someone over their head with how you think and that yours is the best way. I for one am glad the election is over even through I am not happy either but as an American I think now we need to pull together and get on with trying to make it better. I did not get involved in the discussions simply because I do not try to make any one believe the way i do. So i will now tell one and all i enjoy all of the people here on spoolfus and hope to play and get along with everyone. Charlotte

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 10:42 PM

So here's what I've done to light a candle on Sploofus .... I found two players - both fairly new - who I don't believe have posted on Salty Dog. I sent them a PM telling them what a fun place this is and this is a "happening" place and to feel free to please stop in and post on one of the topics. Or, if they didn't find a topic to their liking, to just open up their own thread.

I've heard back from one who said he definitely would stop in at Salty Dog sometime soon.

You want new people on Salty Dog? Invite a couple or three people who don't post here to please stop in and see what it's all about. Sometimes people just have to be invited.

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 10:56 PM

I too am happy that the elections are over. I like to see a variety of topics and that includes disagreements as well. What has occurred recently was a lack of boundaries, respect and civility on the part of some posters.

I don't care typically who agrees with me but the atmosphere was toxic at certain points and for that reason I did not post. For crying out loud, there was heated name calling for someone's right in their voting choice. What kind of crap is that? Some people needed to get a friggin' grip.

Debate is excellent. The usual exchange of ideas is brilliant on this site. Some folks just got a little too intense about their opinions and the need for everyone else to own it also.

The long, insanely silly threads haven't been around in awhile. I'd like to see more of them again. I freely admit I'm not clever enough to come up with some of the things that many of you write but I sure love reading them.....

Nevertheless, I read something on here each day that makes me smile or grin. That's worth the price of admission!

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sat, 8th Nov '08 11:12 PM

Ya know Pat, I do the same thing in my warped sorta way. I really try when I see people on WRs/WMs that are new to call them out and say Hi. I think it's incumbent on those of us that have been here for years to seek out the new folks and make them feel welcome.

When we were in Philly couple years ago, it was mentioned that every "new" member should be hooked up with an "older" member as sort of a mentoring process. I LOVED IT. It never came to fruition, but it was a great idea. For example I received a PM from my MOM, and she didn't know what a "showdown" was. Shame on me, but if we had this society with people that you could "ask questions of" and mentor, it would grow like wild fire.


Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 12:05 AM

Great ideas, Kelly'n'Pat

You are quite right, we should welcome our newbies more, and help 'em get familiarized.

If you click on the "Community" button above, it will show you who the latest Sploofusers are......go welcome one today!!


Caramel1  (Level: 135.1 - Posts: 21590)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 2:59 AM

Like that idea. When I first started was really hesitant to say anything in "Chat" .Even though the tone seemed to be lighter then, folks all seemed to know each other or to quote Felix 'the clique" was there. Didn't mean that as necessarily negative just used in to refer to the inside group when I was new. Many of that group are gone now-Linda

Caramel1  (Level: 135.1 - Posts: 21590)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 3:24 AM

Just would like to add that threads devoted to a public figure/issue or a pet or the loss of one might make it easier for a new person to participate in.than the banter between obvious friends (no Smaug and Lodi were yet to arrive the first time I joined) which makes it more difficult to sort of butt in on anything until if interested you have waited a good time to try and figure out what is going on-even then intrusion not always welcome-Linda

Pennwoman  (Level: 162.2 - Posts: 2476)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 9:03 AM

That is a great idea. I will say that I was always welcomed with open arms, even when I was whining about WR/WMs.
Y'all ROCK!

Gerryn  (Level: 18.7 - Posts: 141)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 9:04 AM

Hey Chick...Which dumbass uncle.? Did I miss something?...

What can I buy with all of the points I get? Does it count on QVC?

Met #1.

Caramel1  (Level: 135.1 - Posts: 21590)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 9:18 AM

From saying whatt I said earlier in this thread was not impling that I don't miss those who left-Tex included. I have been chastised for bemoaning the changes that 2.0 brought. No one can deny the site has changed from the close-knit family atmosphere to put it kindly a more global family. Is that goopd or bad? Don't know but "it is what it is" just as the recent election results "are what they are". I am in waiting mode to see what happens to Sploofus as well as the US-Linda

Caramel1  (Level: 135.1 - Posts: 21590)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 9:31 AM

REALLY wish I could find old posts. My memory has not completed failed and distinctly remember some saying in effect they had been around the old Sploofus for YEARS and never felt a part of it- perhaps made to feel welcome is different than being part of-Linda

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 9:57 AM

Thanks for the tip Bev. It took me just a little time to figure out how to find the newest member to join. When I click on the community button I just automatically scroll down to forums and over to Salty Dog (gotta see what's happening - I do it before the QOTD or WP!)

In order to see the newest member to join, you have to click on the community button and let its "home page" come up, and across the top it will show the newest member to join. But you have to be quick. When I first looked there was a name and then a couple minutes later when I went back it was a different name.

So, Chick, and the rest of you who are "veterans" on the island, how about if we just make it a point to drop a welcome note to some of these new members. If they respond we can probably either mentor them ourselves, or if it gets too much for one, then maybe we can ask others to help. You know the saying Ann Landers always used, "Good intentions -- like crying babies in church -- should be carried out immediately."

I can't see that any harm can come from doing this unless someone would send negative e-mails and I don't know of anyone who contributes to Salty Dog regularly who would want to do that.

I've sent my first message. We'll see what happens.

Quackinator  (Level: 175.6 - Posts: 151)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 11:09 AM


LOL, kinda having a brain cramp. I'll start by thanking Pat for inviting me.
I have been a member for close to a year. I enjoy the site tremendously! I've not been a big poster or forum reader, no real reason other than time constraints. When I have dropped into some of the forums, it's almost like having a behind the scenes tour. I see some of the folks from the shout box writing in depth about topics of interest to them. I think that's cool. In the future, I will try to stop by more and contribute.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 12:54 PM

Hey Quack, I hope you do. Good question btw, how can you eat your pudding if you don't eat your meat, one of my favorite lines.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 2:00 PM

Hi Quackinator,
Welcome....and hope you enjoy Sploofus as much as the rest of us
(It's called fanaticism - addiction- and compulsion ! ! ! ! )
As you can probably tell - the discussions about the recent elections
got more than a little heated.....but the usual content in Salty Dog is
an exchange of opinions, commiseration when someone needs a HUG
and telling friends as much about our lives as we are comfortable with.
At times it gets hilarious, sometimes raucous, but there is always room
for more people posting about opinions and concerns.
When I first joined I used to post and almost everyone IGNORED me....
but as some will say - I'm persistent and opinionated - and in time
"they" realized I wasn't going away ! ! ! !
So have at it ! ! ! !

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 2:25 PM

Hi Quackinator - I just read your PM and now I see you beat me to Salty Dog. Glad you stopped in; stop in again often!

Bigbird  (Level: 249.3 - Posts: 3337)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 2:34 PM

Pat - That sounds like a really great idea. I have never actually noticed that part of the site. I remember where it used to be on 1.0, but thought it was lost on 2.0. I will go right now and adopt-a-newbie. I know I introduced a bunch of friends to Sploofus, but only one of them ever ventured near the chat forums, and not for long. The others just did their daily questions. Oh, yes, a couple do the WPs, but that's about it.

Going to the orphanage right now...

Toledosugar  (Level: 51.4 - Posts: 281)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 2:36 PM

I watch my quizzes and when I see a newer member, I send them a pm welcoming them to Sploofus and telling them how much I enjoy it and what it has available. It takes time for someone new to realize all of the things Sploofus offers. What still amazes me is the number of people that have been non-paying members for so long.

Tresgatos  (Level: 214.8 - Posts: 4415)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 3:00 PM

I think sending welcome messages to newbies is great, and I've done that myself from time to time. Just a reminder that unfortunately, non-paying members can't start threads at this point, which I think is a mistake. I put in an enhancement request back in August (#19.021), asking that non-paying members be allowed to start threads somewhere, even if only in the newbies forum. At the time, I was thinking especially of Pennwoman, who had been unable to renew her Gold membership. Thankfully someone gave Martina the Gift of Gold, so now she can start threads! And aren't we all glad about that? So anyway, remember, we can always help out non-paying members by starting threads for them.

-- Geri

Tresgatos  (Level: 214.8 - Posts: 4415)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 3:08 PM

P.S. I remember when I first joined Sploofus, I couldn't start a thread until after I had reached level 2.0. That seems reasonable to me, as once you reach level 2.0, that shows a certain dedication to Sploofus, especially if it takes you three months to get there! LOL, just kidding. It didn't take me *that* long. I do remember being thrilled when I was finally able to start a thread. And thanks again to all the wonderful people who first welcomed me!

-- Geri

Rhayader  (Level: 97.7 - Posts: 59)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 4:21 PM

Hey, everyone! I'm another of Pat's adopted newbies. It looks like perfect timing to join in the chit chat now that the elections are over - glad I missed some of the $---storms that brewed up in here. I did win a 30 day membership on a WtHAI? and when it expired the thing I missed most was access to the WR Shoutbox! Salty Dog looks like the Shoutbox only better. I'm looking forward to getting to know everyone a little better. And thanks to Pat for the invite!


Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 4:46 PM

Hey John, admired your post in the pride in humanity thread, welcome to the group.

Rhayader  (Level: 97.7 - Posts: 59)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 5:12 PM

Thanks, Jeremy! I've been admiring your WR & WM times for awhile!

Bbear  (Level: 167.3 - Posts: 2297)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 6:29 PM

Hey, you'all (and yes, that is a word) - PM poofybecca. It's my daughter, who likes doing WPs, so I got her a gold membership for her 21st bday. Her real name is Becca and she likes to read and is an English lit major.

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Sun, 9th Nov '08 6:35 PM

I just did send her a PM, Bbear. I hope she'll enjoy the island.

Toledosugar  (Level: 51.4 - Posts: 281)
Mon, 10th Nov '08 12:08 AM

Welcome John!

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