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papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 8:12 AM

SOMETHING FOR YOUR "TO DO" LIST. YOUR EDITORSHIP

I just had the pleasure of answering a question that had a 4.5% correctness rating. Remembering 7th grade Math, this means that 190 out of 200 Sploofus experts were "WRONG" before me. Should questions like these be allowed to humiliate our intellectual capablities?? I personally think any question that maintains a rating lower than 25% show be removed from the system. Before his absence, Justin said some of the older questions were going to be removed. In the past, I have had ratings of 2.8%, 3.4%, 7.7% and several below 20%. Even if we guess, it is a 20% chance we get a question correct. Anyone have any suggestions ?? BTW, before I clicked in my wrong answer, I was sure that I was right. Never challenge the accuracy of Sploofus answers, there is always a way to be found wrong.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 8:33 AM

Correction on my Math, it would be 191 out of 200 would be wrong, sorry.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 9:18 AM

I could not agree more. This morning I received a question in World Events. Sent in a support ticket disputing its relavancy to the category. Did not notice how many folks-percentage had gotten it correct-but those who did cannot help but think it was "dumb luck". I also asked when the category exemtion would be reinstated. Had it in 1.0 but rejoined after 2.0 and now cannot get it-affects all who joined after 2.0 applied to everyone-unfair advantage to those wo were here in 1.0. I am not one who it will probably make a big difference as have never played for points-not quick enough. The lack of level progression though is an ego deflater at best. Have received no reply to my support ticket-can only surmise as to the reason for that-Linda (obivously I did not answer the question correctly)

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Thu, 13th Nov '08 9:33 AM

Editors cannot delete or change TQOTDs, unless it is one written by an existing editor. Most of the erroneous questions are from before editors wrote them, and are therefore outside of our reach. It is one of our grandest dreams to one day have this power. Until then, we can only try to do what is fair in adjusting points and level points when an erroneous question is properly reported on a support ticket...meaning send in the question number along with the other info. Thanks.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 9:37 AM

Incidentally, have not been BEGGING to be opted out of the World Events category. Not always top-notch in any category but really SUCK in the Music/Musicians one. Linda

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 12:11 PM

Caramel....
Did you get a SNOOKER question in your World Events category????

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 12:22 PM

This is an interesting topic. I'm not in favor of weeding out the hardest questions so long as they have accurate answers and are properly categorized. To me, if a question is getting a correct response rate of significantly less than 20% - which you would expect from simply random guessing - the question poses at least one very plausible seeming alternative such that lots of people are mistakenly selecting it as correct. I think such creations are the sign of a clever question.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 12:36 PM

Linda - I totally agree with you on the music - I was a music major and have such an appreciation for all kinds of music - but the music trivia questions are losers! Or maybe you and I are the losers - ha! Still, I don't know why there cant be a way to remove the questions with less than 20 percent "guessing" correctly no matter what the category.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 1:35 PM

Can't be too specifis as to the question I received as then my post will be deleted-something to do with the number of something in an ancient civilization. After reading the post by the Editor have a question. If I must turn in the question number of a question which I dispute being correctly categorized, must I copy down the question number immediately after being informed of the answer? I can see no way to get the question number back otherwise. My pattern is to do the daily question in the morning. Some times it takes a bit for the fact to "sink in" that I dspute anything. Said before that I have a simple slow mind-perhaps that is the problem. I have submitted support tickets before when I thought the time had expired prematurely. Editors then seemed able to check back to validate that as well as my answer. Fail to see the difference here. Do resent though not receiving ANY reply from my support ticket-Linda

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 2:51 PM

Strange how some people can do things and others can't.

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 3:10 PM

As vociferously as Tsk and I disagreed last week ... this week we agree.

I'm never about to wager on a field like physical science or the like, but as long as a question is accurate (and in the correct category) what the heck ... all's fair. And I've seen a couple that were real doozies, usually involving musical groups I never heard of.

Just because they're impossibly hard doesn't mean they aren't fair. For example (and if this is an actual question, forgive me!) a question asking the name of Governor Eugene Talmadge's mule is ridiculously tough ... but as long as the correct answer (Roosevelt) is in there it becomes one of those little tidbits you carry in your cranium from now on.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 3:42 PM

LOL sometimes TSK is as difficult for me to interpret his words as Henry Paulson was yesterday Love and admire you though, TSK. You say things logically and well. Just trying to figure out if I need to post things to get answers as my support tickets seem to go unaswered after my stand on the deletions by editors in the political post. No offense meant-just curious. Linda

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Thu, 13th Nov '08 4:20 PM

Linda - Don't worry about the question ID - at this point we don't have the ability to look a question up by using that number anyway. Maybe sometime in the future we will, but not now.

Please believe us - we wish we could fix up those TQOTDs that were written by past editors. But we cannot. And we would love to give you back your category exemption, but we cannot. We are not being difficult or ornery or playing favorites - there is simply nothing we can do about them. And we sure have asked for the ability.

I do have to personally disagree about the tough questions. Trivia is trivia. Even if we could weed them out, I don't believe that we should. Should we then also remove the ones that are too easy, since maybe those are too mainstream to be trivia? I don't think so.



Sploofus Editor
Sploofiesta (Editor)  
Thu, 13th Nov '08 4:31 PM


There is never a need to post to the public chat forums that you have sent in a Support Ticket. The only exception to this rule would be in case of an emergency. If a Word Puzzle has minutes to go before it closes, we can understand your post here. However, please know that editors check the Support Ticket queue before they check out Salty Dog and the other billboards, so it's doubtful that it will really help to post publicly.

The editors treat every Support Ticket as a priority. It matters not whether you have posted publicly, been previously deleted on public posts, written 100 trivia quizzes a month, or can do backflips in your shower with one hand tied behind your back. All tickets are treated with the same respect, with the exception that Gold and Platinum members get top priority in the queue.

There are times when a ticket may not be answered immediately. That does not mean that it's being ignored. There could be many reasons why you haven't heard back within a few minutes or even days on a ticket that you've sent our way. Perhaps all of the editors are otherwise preoccupied at the moment, or that the issue is being discussed in our private forum before an answer is sent, or that it has been escalated directly to Justin for his attention. There are many times that there just simply isn't an easy answer, and it requires further thought before sending a response. We do not have the ability to simply delete a Support Ticket, nor would we do so. We aim to answer all tickets within a timely manner, but sometimes circumstances simply prevent us from doing so. When a ticket goes unanswered, it's stuck there for all of us to see until it's been closed.

We're here to help.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 5:10 PM

I have now received an answer to my support ticket and thank the team for that. Of course, I was wrong-happens so much totally used to it now- LOL Linda

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 5:12 PM

Would either of you two editors say that as paying members, are we getting our money's worth ?? Wasn't some of this stuff reasons why Lodi left ?? Sploofinder, Trivia is Trivia, but on this site too much is editor's interpretation. Examples are my discussion Monday about the Cat Stevens question and it's category and of course my infamous problem with "SNOOKER".
I'm sure that all you editors are doing the best that you can and you are trying to be fair. When a player challenges a question's correctness or category it's not like they are trying to get an advantage in a job or trying to get a degree in school, it's stinkin' Sploofus points. We don't even get "No stinkin' badges" (even though we pay for Platinum cards and don't get them). If there was a way to straighten this problem out, I would be glad to help out, same old same old is getting old.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 5:18 PM

To sound very British, Paperman-HEAR! HEAR! to you-Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 6:26 PM

I want to know how sploofgenie knew about my backflip in the shower thing.....

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Thu, 13th Nov '08 6:38 PM

Bill: Since you've made this into a public forum issue, let me remind you that you've said in the past that you feel that it "can't hurt" to dispute a question you get wrong, on the off chance that you get your points back. Yes, we remember this and you're right, it can't hurt. As I told you in your support ticket, it doesn't always help, either. I also welcomed you to put your question in the forum to ask whether other members agreed that movie soundtrack questions belong only in music/musicians and NOT in movies/television and you insisted that you did not wish to do that. Since you've alluded to this question, I am including this as an example of the sort of disputes that have been brought before us.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofernatural (Editor)  
Thu, 13th Nov '08 6:45 PM

Now you know why we picked Sploofusgenie to be an editor.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofiesta (Editor)  
Thu, 13th Nov '08 6:59 PM


Thank you for the comic relief, Pennwoman and Sploofernatural!

As to "stinkin' Sploofus points" -- and yes, I appreciate the humor there as well -- here's the thing: While it's true that you can't spend your Sploofus points at WalMart or the Olive Garden, they do stand for something. Many members use their points total as a way of measuring their individual progress. Some of our more competitive players use them as a gauge of how well they're doing in the overall standings. They truly indicate different things to different people.

When we get a Support Ticket, we consider it carefully. Although it would certainly be much less stressful for everyone if we simply awarded points every time, it would greatly diminish the point system. Each ticket and issue requires sincere evaluation. Sometimes points are distributed to the player in question, sometimes not. It totally depends on the matter at hand.

Again, if we were to indiscriminately hand out points, the points would no longer retain any significant value. We do our best to maintain the integrity of the points system at all times.

Hope this helps!

bokeelia
Bokeelia  (Level: 188.1 - Posts: 114)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 7:18 PM

I find that when I get a question with a very low correct answer rate, I usually learn something. It makes me feel great when I get a question right that most get wrong and I can shrug my shoulders and move on if I get it wrong. I've played snooker so would welcome the question, while someone who has knowledge in an area I'm lacking would welcome questions on another subject. I find the broader the spectrum of questions the better as long as the answers are correct and they fit the category without a shoehorn.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 7:53 PM

Sploofusgenie, where is my Platinum card then. As far as points go, I am proud of everyone I have. If you recall, I suggested that "ALL" of us go back to ZERO when we went to 2.0, no replies.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 8:32 PM

I am SURE I am NOT the one to seconnd your suggestion, Bill., but I do. It was because of my "fit and quit" thing (therefore no longer having a category exemption-my own fault) that I rejoined after 2.0 was available to all. The question of the day is NOT equal for all members as some do have exemptions. Even if everyone had started at zero points with 2.0 I would soon have fallen far behind in points as I am not fast with the games, no longer write quizzes, and never did attempt to write any puzzles. The level thing which is determined by that daily question only is what is most discouraging to me. If I could get a refund on Platinum I would go back to Gold at least and am sure it would be to the delight of many if I became nonpaying and thus could not begin any thread Looking back over this thread cannot find a direct answer from any editor as to if Platinum members get their money's worth. Linda

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.4 - Posts: 3301)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 8:48 PM

Linda - I don't see how anyone can answer your question about whether Platinum members get their money's worth. That all depends on why you became platinum and what those features are worth to you.

I went Platinum because I wanted to help support the site. At the time that I went platinum, Justin had let it be known that he could not afford the monthly fees for the server (or whatever it was at the time - I am pretty much technologically impaired). I felt that I got so much enjoyment out of the site, that it was the least I could do to help keep the wolves from his door.

Did I get my money's worth? Well, the site is still here, so I would say yes. But that is my opinion of what the value of the site is to me. Will I renew my platinum membership? Most definitely. I will agree that I cannot do much more as a Platinum member than I could have done as a gold member. Sure, I have written a few Word Puzzles (I'm afraid I'm not very good at it, but I try), but that's about it. I rarely play in the WordRounds and WordMatches, so I certainly don't need more than my 10 an hour. If I play 10 a month, it's a lot.

If you look at the Directory, you realize just how few paying members there are on Sploofus. So, any part that I can play in keeping this island floating, I will do.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 9:24 PM

I agree with you, Alice. I have been Platinum since it becme available no matter what my current "person" was. My original intent as was my intent whren rejoining was to support the site. Justin is a brilliant and amazing man. Pretty much since 2.0 I have developed a "whatever " attitude as that brilliant amazing man has not been here to give "spark" to the site. The points that some members have is about as unfathomable as the current numbers in the "bailout" proposals. More than sure it is just me as other than the political threads have not found much here to recapture my original enthusiasm for Sploofus.I don't dislike anyone here and like many very much. The player/editor thing has been an issue with me ever since I discovered early on that it existed-creates a rift somehow. Anyway "whatever" not going to argue about it and will make any decision about renewal if the site is still here when my membership expires-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 13th Nov '08 10:05 PM

Justin could and did fix things. Now many things are broken-suppose if you never knew they were there, you don't know they are broken In his absence know editors have had to step into cointrol positions. On some it looks good while a couple have made a messy situation worse. I am sure I don't know all the identites of editors but quite sure I know a few- past and current. If Justin were to tell me soimething I would say okay but won't if the person telling me is going to be agreeing with himself in the same thread.Justin at least needs to stop in occasionall if he wants to keep any magic on the site, Threads are started and moved on after a couple of posts,. Some but few get attention from many, Death of a pet or something controversial does butt not if editors step on it from their editor position-You guys who have been here awaile when Justin was here and now he isn't know what I mean -Linda


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