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alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Mon, 17th Nov '08 11:31 PM

CRASS COMMERCIALISM - THE UPCOMING HOLIDAYS ON THE RADIO

I'm sure many of you have some radio stations in your area that have already started 24 hr/ day "Christmas Music" formats.
It is becoming more popular and prevalent across the nation.
I don't know if that's true in Canada; U.K.; Australia, etc.= please add to this thread if you live in other countries outside of the U.S.A.
We have two full time FM stations in Central Pennsylvania playing ALL holiday music already. They started that over a week ago!
Evidently, they do better in the ratings than their normal programming.
I guess people want to be in the holiday spirit. I admit I really like a lot of Christmas music , and enjoy many songs.- BUT

My major gripe about this is- whatever happened to Thanksgiving?
Are we taking this important holiday for granted?

York, PA [ reminder to Smaug- " first capital of united states" ] has an historical link to the first national Thanksgiving proclamation, so I am more attune to this issue.

I just think it's too early to play Christmas music all the time until Thanksgiving has been celebrated.

Even though both stations I mentioned are favorites normally of mine- I am bypassing them on the dial for now.
FYI---- I wanted to be a disc jockey and possibly a radio station general manager [like WKRP in Cincinnati

Your thoughts please!










osuzannacollage
Osuzannacollage  (Level: 132.1 - Posts: 1299)
Mon, 17th Nov '08 11:40 PM


Al, that's so funny that you started this thread! My daughter and I had this same conversation yesterday. Our (or should I say my?) favorite radio station is now 24 hour Christmas music. It's way too early! I also enjoy many of the Christmas songs, but by the time that holiday finally rolls around, I'll be more than tired of all of them if I continue to listen.

WKRP in Cincinnatti? Only if you'll be Les! He's the best! My favorite episode of all time was when they had the ill-fated turkey drop. ("I really thought turkeys could fly" -- or something to that effect by Mr. Carlson.) If you haven't seen it, you've missed a classic!

Thanksgiving is a national holiday, and important to every citizen. Christmas is a religious holiday, and although I celebrate the season and enjoy a lot of the traditions, it has become a horrendously commercialized marketing bonanza -- and one that becomes more obnoxious as the holiday nears. I'm trying to find an oldie station that plays something else right now.

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 1120)
Mon, 17th Nov '08 11:49 PM

It bugs me when they start the commercialism push earlier every year, can't get the after-Halloween sale over fast enough til the isles are full of Christmas items. When I was younger Christmas was exciting and something to look forward to arriving, but now I get the bah-humbug syndrome from being inundated by all the capitalism supplanting the meaning and intent of the season.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 17th Nov '08 11:58 PM

Maybe Al needs to come up with some Thanksgiving songs other than Adam Sandlers version, so the commercialism can still happen but they play those instead???

Here's Adam Sandlers version btw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhasEcwXaug

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 1120)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 12:09 AM

I like the Porky Pig version of "B-B-Blu--Blue Chr-Christmas"

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 12:11 AM

Canadian Thanksgiving is already over. Ours is alway the 2nd Monday in October. Then there's the 2 week Halloween blitz. Nov.1 marks Christmas season. I swear every store stays open all night on the 31st to change the decorations, inventory, etc. Christmas commercials also start on Nov.1, along with massive quantities of flyers in my mail box.. I'm tired of it already.

apinavl
Apinavl  (Level: 37.5 - Posts: 59)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 12:44 AM

The last time I walked into a Starbucks was Nov 1, 2002. It was around 6:30 am and I REALLY needed caffeine. But when I walked through the door the Halloween decorations were gone and the whole place was decorated in red and green, trees everywhere, stockings, Santas......and Christmas music blaring.

All I wanted was a stiff cup o' joe but the abrupt transition to Christmas Spirits was more than I could handle. Think I'm still suffering some sort of North Polar Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome ever since that day.

Christmas is my favorite holiday. But I try to ease into it gradually after picking over the last of the turkey bones.......

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.2 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 6:04 AM

"Alice's Restaurant" is 17 minutes of Thanksgiving music in one song.

And between the two holidays, you know there's enough music around for an "All Beethoven's Birthday music all the time" format.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 6:29 AM

Try being a music teacher. We started holiday music rehearsals the day after our fall concert. By the time Christmas arrives, I'm really burned out on those songs.

I saw lots of stores with Christmas items for sale 2 weeks before Halloween this year.

Our school sign says "Turkey Day." What? Is giving thanks too religious for government facilities now?

I soooooo agree that being thankful is overlooked for just about anything now - holiday or any day.

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5887)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 7:04 AM

The music room is right across the hall from me so I certainly have a great deal of sympathy for you. I hope you at change the music around somewhat year after year. I am so tired of the same music year after year. I guess they have to stick to the songs that won't offend anyone.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 7:19 AM

The kids here in band and choir do start singing early at school to prepare for Christmas Concerts.

I love the music they play and love hearing the kids practice because they are so good - but I'm not ready to hear them on the radio stations - I still listen to Jack FM and it's still all rock & roll



revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 8:19 AM

Heck, the Lowe's here in Faynam had Halloween and Christmas decorations up at the same time last month. Very "Nightmare Before Christmas-ish" display with an inflatble Dracula fighting for space with Santa's reindeer.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.8 - Posts: 3302)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 8:28 AM

Yup, Christmas has been in the stores for a good month around here. Or, a bad month, however you look at it.

Then there's my house. I am the resident home for the annual Family Circle Chanukah party each year. The trick is to move it as early as possible, so that the second everyone leaves I can start decorating for Christmas.

townline
Townline  (Level: 54.0 - Posts: 213)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 8:39 AM

I noticed that some stores are advertising "Black Friday" sales which had previously denoted the day after Thanksgiving. It is interesting that it is earlier but also that stores are now promoting the term.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6645)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 9:59 AM

My response to radio advertizing is NEVER to listen to radio if I can help it but only CDs.
From time to time in car WQXR(?) classical in New York -- but the ads still burn me up.
As to Xmas music...grrr! dont get me started. I'm flying to Boston this week and I just know that if they have a classical music channel on the headsets it will be carols.... which is worse as far as I'm concerned.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.8 - Posts: 911)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 12:57 PM

Barry, what are you worried about? If you're only flying from New York to Boston you'll barely have time to get the headset on before you reach Boston. Have a nice time. Boston is a great city. I was there in October. You should try watching/listening to the stuff they serve up for 6 or 7 hours when all you want to do is get there.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 9:43 PM

Marsha, we don't worry about NOT offending anyone.

We just try to be equal opportunity offenders.

I have yet to try a concert in December that didn't offend somebody. The worst was because I called one of my cellists a knucklehead. His mom had never heard the term before and chewed me out in broken English for about 10 minutes, with no concern whatsoever about what her son did that caused him to be called a knucklehead.

The kids LOVE Christmas music. It's parents who don't. Some districts try a percentage system - not more than 49% Christmas. So we're playing things like Ode to Joy and the Four Seasons. Last year we did a medley of songs with Colorado ski resort names. And of course Hanukkah songs. I haven't found anything Kwanzaa-ish and for sure nothing Ramadan (I was told there is no music that accompanies that holiday). And Jehovah Witnesses can't even play or sing anything that is remotely related to Christmas (not even Jingle Bells or Sleigh Ride, which have absolutely nothing to do with Christmas. Jingle Bells was written as a Thanksgiving song.)

TMI.



violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 9:57 PM

Jank~ My kids have learned songs relating to Kwanzaa from their music teachers. Every year before Winter Break, grades K-5 put on a vocal performance of holiday songs from Christmas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa. I just googled "music teacher Kwanzaa songs" and got a few examples, some with mp3 samples attached. Don't know about Ramadan from experience but googling pulls up some songs for that holiday, too.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 10:09 PM

Hey!!! Quick!!! Head to the mall! They are putting up the summer swimwear displays!


alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Tue, 18th Nov '08 11:32 PM

I'm listening now to an internet radio station.

Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock
Jingle bells chime in jingle bell time
Dancin' and prancin' in Jingle Bell Square
In the frosty air.

It's about 35 degrees [F] in York . Brrrrrrr. Fitting song for the moment.
Got me in the mood for a peppermint pattie.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 6:34 AM

Violet- problem is, they're just little songs for elementary. Hopefully soon there will be Kwan songs for orchestra, but Ramadan has no music involved with the actual holiday so there won't be any middle school or high school pieces in honor of that holiday.

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:15 AM

Yeah, I guess they're mostly (all?) little kids songs. Sorry!

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 6:47 PM

Yeah they do that to my only Oldies station every year...strangely, it hasn't started yet. Thank God for my mp3! I do wish they'd play "I Want A Hippopotamus For Christmas"!


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