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papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 11:07 AM

LISTEN TO BARACK'S BACKERS


This is scary.


http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 158.0 - Posts: 2476)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 11:10 AM

By Baracks backers, you mean the majority of the American voting public?

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 11:53 AM

yeah - the ones who voted - shame on those that sat at home.



1mks
1mks  (Level: 213.9 - Posts: 5908)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 12:05 PM

And don't forget that Mickey Mouse got a vote also.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 177.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 12:19 PM

Once I saw who put that site together......................

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 1:38 PM

Thanks for pointing that out - I didn't even think to scroll down and see a link - clicked on it - very informative and will definitely share John Ziegler's response to all his naysayers with my friends and family too.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 233.5 - Posts: 7605)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 1:57 PM

Nothing scary - but we do have have a large electorate of "less than well-informed" voters.
That's the way it's always been however. That's something we as a society can work on.

Many McCain voters weren't Rhodes Scholars by any shape of the imagination.

Obama won [quite easily] because of issues!

People voted with their pocket books and anger at government's poor performance.
But insulting voters is not the American way.

My opinion-------the media did their job. Rush Limbaugh; Sean Hannity; Glen Beck : Michael Savage; Ann Coulter and some others made THEIR biases known quite well. "Media" is not one-sided.




caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 21652)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:01 PM

Cannot see where the comedians will get their material with this Presidency Clinton and Bush have been perfect targets for all kinds of often quite cruel humor. Anyone who makes a joke about this President runs the risk of being labled a "racist" as do those who did not vote for him nor support his ideas and policies-just an observation-Linda

toledosugar
Toledosugar  (Level: 51.4 - Posts: 281)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:02 PM

Well said, Linda.
Sharyn

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 158.0 - Posts: 2476)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:14 PM

Perhaps those of you uncomfortable with a black president may be comforted that he was raised by a white mother... infact, why isnt just as much white as he is black?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 21652)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:19 PM

Gesus-no one said they were uncomfortable with the fact that the next president has a brown skin-white mother or not. Believe people who do not like his ideas nor his policies are being made to feel uncomfortable by acquiring the "racist" label by voicing what they feel-Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 158.0 - Posts: 2476)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:28 PM

This morning Papermanbill refered to Obama as "this sissy" --- nothing racist about that -- it is your choice to bring skin color into it...if his race remains your primary concern, you will make racist comments. And if you think the late night hosts wont have a field day with Obama, you are wrong.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 21652)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:40 PM

?? as usual your post makes no sense when compared to your last post in this thread. I will scratch my head and walk away. WHATEVER- at least you didnt say you were "glad to see we could all get along"-Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 158.0 - Posts: 2476)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 2:51 PM

Get along? Really? I am always happy to point out it is ridiculous to revile someone because of their skin color, and if you feel you must censor yourself because of a fear of being called racist, then focus on his policies or how he composes himself, or what he gets done or what he doesnt, and dont bring up his race. Doesnt seem that difficult, if your issue is really his actions instead of his skin color.

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 851)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 3:13 PM

How is Ziegler any better than the "liberal media" he's criticizing? He's giving a biased view, just from the right.

Nate Silver took him to task on the polling methods used to create the "documentary" and Ziegler responded with profanity and personal attacks. For the transcript, go to 538.com

Late night comedians are already poking fun at Obama. I don't think Jon Stewart nor Dave Letterman are racist.

kaelin
Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 4:11 PM


tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 4:31 PM

No doubt a person with a more left orientation than Zeigler could produce a piece about the shocking ignorance of McCain/Palin voters. C'mon Bill, this is nothing but a partisan hack job.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 4:42 PM

In the horrible, racist days before the 60s, if you had "one drop of black blood" in you, you were considered black and had to follow the water fountain/bus/restroom/restaurant rules, and you could not legally marry a "white" person.

President-elect Obama stated in his book that very early in life he wanted to be recognized as black rather than white, as he related to (was affected by?) the black part of his life more. I'm guessing that's why even in spite of his white mother, he has always indicated he wanted to be thought of as a black man, and people have followed his wishes.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 158.0 - Posts: 2476)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 5:12 PM

My father opened a furniture repair shop with a fellow soldier who was black, in Georgia in the early 60's -- he got threats daily. Racism is ugly and unforgiveable.
I was aware of Obamas feelings but just wanted to point out, he could just as easily be considered white. I look forward to the day when you just look at the person, I never understood hating someone for something they had no way of changing.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 6:28 PM

Tsk9653 (Mr.Tim) I do not doubt this film was biased but it doesn't mean it isn't true. Being on the street almost daily, I meet a lot of interesting people (both black and white) who sound a little like those in the film. As late as September I met black men who didn't know who Obama was but intended to vote. I met young men who thought if they enlisted in the Army their credit card bills, arrest and traffic records would be expunged and they could quit early, if they wanted. I met a Chicago Policewoman who thought birth control pills gave her syphilis. I also heard, besides being a Muslim, Obama was going to eliminate income tax and you could go on welfare just by filling out a form. Sometimes people want to believe only what they want to believe.
At 64, I still believe in sea monsters.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 137.5 - Posts: 3791)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 6:36 PM

Hey! Politicking Season is closed. I am calling the warden and you are gonna git busted for politicking out of season...poachers

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:30 PM

I know that lots of people believe all sorts of stupid stuff, but interviewing a few ignoramuses who purportedly voted for Obama really says nothing about why Obama was elected. I know I could find plenty of ignoramuses saying all kinds of stupid stuff who voted for McCain. I could than produce a "documentary" , perhaps entitled "Why McCain Lost" about how McCain lost the election because there just weren't enough stupid people like the ones in my film to vote for him. I just don't think that finding ignoramuses who voted for one candidate or another really explains why somebody won and somebody lost. That stupid people get to vote is a by-product of universal suffrage. So maybe if these sorts of films really have anything important to say, it's actually about the nature of democracy as opposed to anything about why a particular person won an election.

So far, just as I predicted in this very forum would occur, Mr. "Change We Can Trust" is loading up his staff and Cabinet positions with lots of former Clintonistas, including, perhaps, Hillary herself for Secretary of State. Whether you like the Clintons or not -- and I never voted for either one of them -- given what we are already seeing, I don't think anybody needs to be the slightest bit "scared" of what an Obama administration is going to be -- a cautious corporatist government. People who were hoping for a change beyond the restoration of the Clinton policies will, however, have reason for disappointment.

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:32 PM

Actually, I still remain hopeful that Obama will drastically change labor policy and appoint somebody who actually supports organized labor as Secretary of Labor.

papermanbill
Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:39 PM

Tim, 30 years a Teamster, I hope you are right. I'll never understand people who are workers criticize organized labor.
My agent kept the two owners of the company I worked for on the straight and narrow. If they didn't, I'd drop the dime.

aetrout
Aetrout  (Level: 218.3 - Posts: 76)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:41 PM

I most definitely concur with Tsk/ Mr. Tim's last post.
That would be a BIG change.




caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 21652)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:41 PM

TSK, do believe it a safe assumption that many folks will be POed-expectations range from FDR-Lincoln-to mention of a manger by some. Heard one commentator claim that a more realistic comparison would be to JFK and Camelot. This man is a dynamic speaker as well as a dynamic personality. Linda

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 233.5 - Posts: 7605)
Wed, 19th Nov '08 7:48 PM

Obama will be making changes, for sure. It will be apparent in the next six months or so.
A good president will surround himself with experienced political leaders, but they must be loyal.
He will need to keep Congress on board for sure however.

It appears that the first black Attorney General will be nominated- that's change
I also agree with Tsk and his wish for a competent and worker friendly Secretary of Labor- that's change.
Organized labor is not the enemy of the working class. I'm sure some will come back and dispute that statement.
I'm prepared to defend my views.

I also hope peppermint patties are served at the White House.







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