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Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 7:43 AM


I heard this as I was getting ready to leave to take kids to school

Traffic fatalities are down to the lowest level since the government began tracking them in 1966. Safety awareness is credited for the lower levels.

As soon as I heard that - my initial response was - no - I'd say it was the high price of gas and less people on the road...I know it's random - but just wondering on what others might think.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 7:53 AM

You're absolutely right, Lorri. (And WBAP agrees with you. They said that when they gave that report last night.) It seems some work really hard at not seeing the forest for the trees.

Oh - one statistic that drives me nuts. They say most traffic accidents happen within 25 miles of your home. Well, DUH. 95% of all our driving is within 25 miles of our home.

They say 95% of everything you worry about never happens. So statistically, that proves that worrying works!

Kaufman  (Level: 260.3 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 8:43 AM

When a friend of mine heard that stat, he sold his house and moved.

Pennwoman  (Level: 157.5 - Posts: 2476)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 10:36 AM

As an former ER nurse, I am glad to see mandatory seat belts and air bags are working. No, they are not perfect but truly do prevent the catastrophic injuries that lead to death. I have heard many times complaints about seatbelts but I have seen the benefit over and over again.

Bbear  (Level: 162.7 - Posts: 2296)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 11:17 AM

I understand on some level folks that are against seatbelts and motorcycle helmets, but how about this....

If you refuse to wear a helmet you must sign a legal document stating you will NEVER accept a public monies for heathcare related to an accident.

If you choose to not wear one and become brain dead and in need of life support for 20 years, it will have to be on your family's nickel, not on mine.

Make sense?

Pennwoman  (Level: 157.5 - Posts: 2476)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 11:22 AM

I have theory and it is just MY thoughts, I have nothing to back it up. I think insurance companies have pushed hard to get, no helmet, legislation passed. Its much cheaper to pay off death benefits than to pay for head injury treatment. Again, just my thoughts. Again as a former ER nurse, and a nurse that worked at a pediatric rehab hospital, helmets save lives and prevent the castastrophic head injuries that kill you.

Maple542  (Level: 91.3 - Posts: 135)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 11:28 AM

Americas traveled 11 BILLION less miles in March of 2008 than the year before.

Over the first quarter of 2008, greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector have also dropped 9 million metric tons compared to past years.

Tuzilla  (Level: 137.0 - Posts: 3789)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 11:44 AM

Ten buck a gallon...yup...that aughta do it. Problems solved.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 4:03 PM

I don't know about you people but 100% of ALL my accidents were within 25 miles home. Now I drive very careful until I clear that distance then I drop the hammer..

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Fri, 12th Dec '08 7:52 PM

Growing up with my brilliant professional engineer Dad - he is a big stickler on statistics. He says the numbers don't lie - the people interpreting them do, so you better be really sure you know what you are looking at so you know the truth.

Of course, miles & gas prices vs. safety education was not a really far reach...but it's a good sticking point...I've deconstructed alot of bulls... by applying this's really fun when you do it to someone who is so sure and believes it, when they are only parroting what they've been told - and then when you prove it's wrong....well, it's a little evil but it's fun

On that note - off to see the Junior High production of Narnia

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1312)
Sat, 13th Dec '08 4:30 AM

Lorri, Do your statistics include the idiots that have cell phones growing out of the sides of their heads ??

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Sat, 13th Dec '08 7:00 AM

Well, since they didn't cover that in their explanation of safety awareness I didn't bother to go look anywhere to find out if the statistics were actually broken down anywhere - but I remember back when everybody didn't have a cell phone 20 years ago and only the select few had one - when I would be behind someone that had one, the driving was erratic - the phones were huge - and I thought to myself at that time - "there ought to be a law" - which is a term I hate most of the time...probably if broken down by DD and cell phone use - the statistics would be interesting - you rarely hear on the news - the cause of the fatality accident was the result of the driver not paying attention while they were talking on their cell phone - which probably is a great number of times.

Oldcougar  (Level: 222.0 - Posts: 1935)
Sat, 13th Dec '08 7:35 AM

A friend of mine was rear-ended by a woman who was answering her cell phone while drinking a coffee. She was overheard telling the police that it wasn't her fault as they couldn't expect her not to answer her phone My friend was off work for many months, has a slight limp & her marriage failed, no doubt partially to do with her injuries. I really wish people would realize driving requires YOUR attention. Having worked in the insurance business for 20 years I'm sure the reduced accident rates has more to do with drivers being on the road less. In BC, while the number of DUI's has dropped substantially, the number of accidents has not except in the last couple of years. This coincides with the rise in gas prices. It would be interesting to see stats from 2008 when gas prices went over the top (helped by ill-advised carbon tax) & in the final 2 months when it dropped again. Be safe everyone

Iautah  (Level: 213.6 - Posts: 91)
Sat, 13th Dec '08 9:55 AM

There are many factors behind the reduction in fatalities including an increased enforcement, better awareness of the dangers of drunk driving and better roadside design. The reduction in fatalities per 100 million miles traveled is not new - see this Bureau of Transportation Statistics table for details:

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Sat, 13th Dec '08 11:17 AM

Steve is right, there are many factors that have contributed to the lower fatalities.

A major difference is better, safer cars. Years ago cars had no crumple zones (meaning the occupants of the vehicles took the full force of the impact, but the car was fine), they didn't have ABS and one of the biggest differences is air bags.

Driver inattention has always been the #1 cause of accidents, before it was kids flying around in the back seat because there were no child seats, now it's cell phones. Don't forget playing with the radio which has always been a diversion.

As an aside, the vast majority of auto insurers only sell medical payments coverage maximum of $1000 for motorcycles. There are no bills pending that I'm aware of in Illinois (one of only 3 states with no helmet laws) to require helmets for motorcycle riders. Dumbest thing I've ever seen, people on cycles flying past me in excess of 80MPH with no helmets on.


Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 15th Dec '08 10:52 AM

Having nearly been run off the Highway TWICE by a person
on a cell phone - recently - same person,same car
I wish there was something definitive we could do about it.

It's illegal here in Torornto to talk on phones while driving
but no-one does anything about it. If I see someone going
erratically, or much too slowly, or if they turn a corner wide,
then I always check to see they're on the phone, and sure
enough they usually are.

My only recourse is to refuse to speak to friends who call
while driving....what would i feel if they were involved in an
accident while talking to me. Nothing and no-one is that

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