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1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5886)
Sun, 21st Dec '08 9:47 AM

MEANING OF THE 12 DAYS OF CHRISTMAS

From 1558 until 1829, Roman Catholics in England were not permitted to practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a catechism song for young Catholics.
It has two levels of meaning: the surface meaning plus a hidden meaning known only to members of their church. Each element in the carol has a code word for a religious reality which the children could remember.


-The partridge in a pear tree was Jesus Christ.


-Two turtle doves were the Old and New Testaments.

-Three French hens stood for faith, hope and love.

-The four calling birds were the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.

-The five golden rings recalled the Torah or Law, the first five books of the Old Testament.

-The six geese a-laying stood for the six days of creation.

-Seven swans a-swimming represented the sevenfold gifts of the Holy Spirit--Prophesy, Serving, Teaching, Exhortation, Contribution, Leadership and Mercy.

-The eight maids a-milking were the eight beatitudes.

-Nine ladies dancing were the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit--Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self-Control.

-The ten lords a-leaping were the ten commandments.

-The eleven pipers piping stood for the eleven faithful disciples.

-The twelve drummers drumming symbolized the twelve points of belief in the Apostles' Creed.

So there is your history for today. This knowledge was shared with me and I found it interesting and enlightening and now you know how that strange song became a Christmas Carol...so pass it on if you wish.

Merry (Twelve Days of) Christmas Everyone


pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sun, 21st Dec '08 9:52 AM

I had no idea! Thanks for sharing this!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 21st Dec '08 8:19 PM

Don't mean to be a Christmas party pooper, but Snopes disagrees. It was my favorite Chritmas carol as a kid.

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5886)
Sun, 21st Dec '08 9:37 PM

So I was duped.......I dare say it was not the first time....nor I am sure not the last. Please forgive me for passing on such trash.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sun, 21st Dec '08 11:15 PM

Now I totally expect a biblical explanation of "Grandma Got Runover By A Reindeer".

Me.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 9:16 AM

Well, Grandma is sinful humanity, and the walk home in the snow is our travel through the temptations of life. The reindeer is the damnation we bring on ourselves by abusing egg nog, so the moral is that Grandma got what she had coming, and if you drink too much at dinner you may get your just desserts.

Also, always look both ways when crossing the street.

Don't feel bad for being duped, Marsha, it sounded plausible to me. Your intentions were good and that's what counts.

Happy Holidays, everyone, I suggest you all listen to the song done by John Denver and the Muppets, from my all-time favorite holiday album, "John Denver and the Muppets - A Christmas Together", playing right in the kitchen this minute. I just can't bake cookies without it. Pass the nog.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 9:43 AM

Soooo...

"I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus" is about the immaculate conception?


smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 10:22 AM

Where did YOU think elves come from?

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 10:28 AM

Graceland.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 10:44 AM

That answer shook me up

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 10:55 AM

Warm Bigelow's Constant Comment with milk and sugar through the nose.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 11:00 AM

Snopes Schmopes. I liked the number symbol comparison between the song, the season and the Christian significance. Carry on.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 11:22 AM

Exactly. What difference does it make if it's true or not, if it feels good?

Merry Christmas!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 12:14 PM

Well, sure, the origin is utterly questionable and myths should be debunked.

But the comparisons of the numbers to the ideas as a mnemonic is not only common, but totally acceptable for Christian and Christmas enjoyment! Any mnemonic or other word association that helps us remember the important tenets of our faith is useful. And I think this one is sweet. It actually makes tons more sense than the real meanings.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 12:53 PM

And there was nothing sinister by the spreading of the myth.

But that Grandma got run over thingy? Now that I'm a grandmother, that one is EVIL!

(which I think it's a hoot that a devil emoticon has a 6 in it! Someone way back had a sense of humor!)

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 6:13 PM

Meant nothing sinister in the debunking. They probably did have coded songs etc, this just wasn't one of them. I feel bad for anyone being persecuted and having to live their lives in secret.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 6:51 PM

Not that Christianity has any sort of monopoly in that idea ...
http://www.hebrewsongs.com/song-echadmiyodea.htm

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 6:59 PM

And not numbers, but kind of the same idea of a hidden meaning with a questionable origin: "Follow the Drinking Gourd"

http://www.followthedrinkinggourd.org/Collection_Story.htm

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 7:06 PM

Anyone remember "Green Grow the Rushes O"?

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Tue, 23rd Dec '08 10:39 AM

Saw a (fairly reputable) TV show last night that said the bit in The Twelve Days of Christmas that everyone actually knows - "..Fiiive Goooold Riings!" - is the only part that you cannot sing, if you're on TV or radio. It's an add-on to the original English song, subject to copyright law, owned by the Novello company.


http://people.cornell.edu/pages/bs16/12daysmemo.html


Happy Holiday Season!


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