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salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 1:43 PM

SNOW ANGEL PENALTY

I don't even watch football but when I was looking for another story just now I ran across this story about the New England Patriots' player who made a snow angel after making a touchdown and received a penalty for it. Yep, we gotta watch out for those obscene snow angels. (and if I don't have the name of the team correct, please don't make fun of me!)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/wes-welkers-snow-angel-ce_n_152811.html


sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 3:07 PM

I wouldn't have penalized him. would have given extra pts for creativity!

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 4:06 PM

It was the Patriots/Cardinals game, I saw him do it, I thought it was very funny and seasonally appropriate!

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 7570)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 5:17 PM

Even angels aren't immune to those "devilish" referees!

He didn't even do his antics until he tripped and fell out of the end zone.
Not in the field of play!

Bad call!

No need for a penalty; let the Arizona Cardinals decide if they want a "payback" sometime.




sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Mon, 22nd Dec '08 5:44 PM

They should allow a 30 second celebration period after each score. Then the teams would have to carefully choreograph the routine so it didn't run over the time limit. Also give the same opportunity to the defense. Each time there is loss of yardage or fumble recovery the team should be allowed a celebration routine. Thus eliminating the penalty for taunting.

Maybe a minor celebration period after a first down, fourth down conversion, downing the ball inside the 10 yard line on a punt, recovery of an onside kick or batting down a long pass.

Of course living in Michigan our pro(?) football would probably not get much of a chance to use the rule changes.

maniact44
Maniact44  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 39)
Tue, 23rd Dec '08 5:28 PM

what a bunch of grinches

if it was any other "kiddish" thing they wouldnt have fine'd him

i mean

wouldnt seing a grown 250 pound man on national tv doing something kiddish be enough punishment

however it inspired everyone (okay not arizona cardnial fans ) but i digress

and everone felt like kids and i bet alot of 250 pound man that day went out and made a snow angel with thier kids which they probaly wouldnt of

and then they want to take that away

what are you suppose to do score a TD and start crying and saying your so sorry for scoring a TD you didnt mean to



tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Tue, 23rd Dec '08 5:34 PM

If they want to act like a bunch of clowns, go join the circus.

Two comments I have heard from coaches:

"Act like you scored, before."

"Act like you expected to do it."

The same goes for defensive showboats.

And while they are at it, get some hedge clippers and cut off any hair hanging out of a helmet...That is SO past tense.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 5:29 AM

Celebrating for doing what you are overpaid for just looks stupid to me. Most of the strutting and posing seems egotistical and not team oriented. Jumping up and looking for the television camera after making a tackle when your team is down by 40 makes you question if some of the clowns ever attended a class in college. I love NFL Football but the league is correct in its actions taken against choreographed demonstrations. How about them Falcons!


Doin' the Dirty Bird,

Felix

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 8:18 AM

Not sure how much planning went into making a snow angel; how many truly snowy games do we watch each year? It did seem over the top to throw a flag but "celebrations" are banned and that ref was following the rules (pretty tightly). I've seen the flag thrown for spiking the ball in the end zone when an opponent was nearby. When a celebration is perceived as taunting, a flag is always coming. It's a judgment call and maybe it gets rid of the some of the antics we've been watching over the years. I can't quite see how a snow angel can make the opponent feel bad. As for the long hair; can't remember who it was but someone lost one of his dredlocks a week or so ago. Ouch!... I'd be grabbing for it on every play, it's part of the uniform. No rule says they can't have it so they put themselves at risk as well.

Lots of good games this past weekend. My personal favorite was on Sunday night. Go Big Blue!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 8:33 AM

Come on, peeps, the snow angel was pretty clever! Players flapped their arms like turkeys on Thanksgiving Day. I think it's just their way of saying happy holidays!

To take Sargon's suggestion one step further, not only should they be allowed to do some kind of creative thing for 30 seconds after a score, but I think the people in the end zone should be given flash cards numbered from 1 to 10 so they can score the performance. Seems like a small perk for bad seats.



pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 9:22 AM

I agree, the snow angel thing seemed very spontaneous!

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 11:13 AM

C'mon Tuzilla and Felix, we are not talking about whether or not it's appropriate for grown men - who are being paid a lot of money to knock each other down and chase a piece of animal hide - to do a celebration "dance," "gyration" or more obscene gestures.

As I watch the video, unless it has been altered, it looks to me like the player tripped, fell on the ground, rolled over and made a quick snow angel and was back up on his feet (and the announcers said that's what they saw too). The whole thing took less time than it did for me to type this - and I'm a pretty fast typist.

Why was that any different than players doing belly bumps or slapping each others' helmets? Oh, belly bumps and slapping helmets and each others' behinds is a GUY thing. Making a snow angel is sissy stuff.

Wipe that silly grin off your face! And don't even think of doing anything that looks like you're having fun. After all, you're being paid mega-bucks to beat the stuffing out of the other guy. Get your priorities straight.



wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 3:24 PM

This is a crazy decision. The officials should show some discretion. Can officials be penalised for making obscene calls? oops I mean decisions? I also see a player in another game was fined $10,000 for throwing some snow at some fans after they threw snowballs at him and other players. his actions were purely in fun. Oh my, what is the NFL coming to?

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Wed, 24th Dec '08 11:09 PM

Fine, then we should be allowed to throw stuff at players who are getting paid into the millions when the stumble bum something a JV player would have executed.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 25th Dec '08 5:23 AM

Pat I have some swamp, er... I mean resort property that I'd like to sell you.


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