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Garrybl  (Level: 291.8 - Posts: 6772)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 9:56 AM


Anyone want to give an opinion?

I've been resubmitting a puzzle my editor regards as too hard and I'm on iteration 4.

Maybe I'm just dense but I freely admit I did not understand at least part of four of my five answers on Allena's puzzle once I'd finished them.

Also, when you get down to one word left and you cant find any combination of letters that leads to a coherent or funny definition (or in some cases a word at all!) you're in trouble...and I was.

Hard puzzles are good, and it's nice to have a mix of styles; but I did find this rather too challenging.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 10:16 AM

I hate puns. They make me feel stupid. These made me feel even stupider than usual. Sheer luck and stubborness got me out in good shape.

When it's over, Jim has some 'splainin' to do.

Allena  (Level: 266.4 - Posts: 1409)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 10:32 AM

'Splain I will ... thanks for the sincerity.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 10:44 AM

Nothing against the millions who love puns. I didn't get the pun gene, which I suspect is linked to the math gene, which I also lack. I do have the sci-fi gene, but it's not linked to the other two.

I'm not bitchin' about the puzzle, Jim, it'll be fun to find out what they mean. Thanks for your effort.

Pennwoman  (Level: 161.8 - Posts: 2476)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 11:53 AM

I agree, I will say I thought it was well written, but I get enough puzzle, just doing the WP without adding a puzzle within the puzzle. Its clever, but I think when you are doing a puzzle based on letters and patterns of letters, straight forward is what I enjoy more.

Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 12:42 PM

I did it a few hours ago. The ibuprofen has finally started kicking in.

Daveguth  (Level: 266.8 - Posts: 1636)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 1:20 PM

I agree--that was a tough one. A couple of them fell into place pretty quickly for me--probably dumb luck--but a couple just didn't make sense. My relatively low number of moves was VERY lucky.

I'm impressed by how Smoke and Slicko can solve all five without a single missed letter. How do you two do it? A couple of those were missing a very basic letter. There must be some pretty amazing logic going through your heads.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 2:05 PM

YOU'RE impressed.

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 3:47 PM

I have to agree with those who found this puzzle incredibly difficult. To begin with, most of them were not "daffynitions," which are joking sorts of definitions--they weren't defining anything at all. And at least two of the puzzles I had made no sense to me once I'd finished them, or at least no sense either as puns or "daffynitions." I'm afraid I found the puzzle more frustrating than anything, and not at all satisfying. I'm sure it wasn't intended to be that way, but that's the way it turned out, I'm afraid.

Bigbird  (Level: 249.1 - Posts: 3337)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 3:50 PM

Too tuff for me, too. A couple of mine were really cute, but three of them made little sense, even after I finally solved them.

I did appreciate the non-googleability of it all, but maybe I am lacking the pun gene as well.

Maurlin  (Level: 220.5 - Posts: 2708)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 5:09 PM

Some were cute ...some way over my head. One of them was cute, but not with the definitiion given.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 6:36 PM

You guys who do like puns, or those who don't but are open to a mind-expanding event, might plan to hit Austin, TX in May for the O'Henry Pun-Off.

The page is: and the winning Punniest of Show stories plus runners up are available for reading there. Plus, some are, of course, on youtube.

And Smoke - the big winner this past spring was about....smoke.

The pun show down is my fave part. Those people must have Wayne Brady style IQs. On-the-spot amazing blow-you-away brainmanship.

Bbear  (Level: 167.3 - Posts: 2297)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 7:20 PM


One was cute and clever but we had four that had clues that didn't match at all, at least to our addled brains.

Please 'splain at 7:00, Jim.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 7:36 PM

Okay, I got the pun part of 4 out of 5, but the fifth one -

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 8:00 PM

I understood 3 out of 5 - one of which I actually understood before I used all the letters.

Alvandy  (Level: 240.4 - Posts: 7692)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 8:15 PM

A few of my set were very "cute" daffynitions.
These three stood out.

"Can Napoleon go home?"= "Tchaikovsky says of course he can".
"Cracked crocodile"= "Australian reptile dysfunction".
"Lost math formula"= "First sine of alzheimer disease"

Berylm  (Level: 162.5 - Posts: 478)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 8:24 PM

Hi Al, I got those three and I agree the napoleon's was a good question/answer, that 'first sine' was a good pun, and that 'Australian reptile dysfunction' consists of three words that can be matched to 'cracked crocodile' - but where on earth was the daffynition in any of them?!

I always thought these were supposed to be a word or common phrase and a silly/punny/clever definition for it; and I don't see that at all here! The closest was the crocodile, but what does "cracked crocodile" mean in ordinary terms, that it should get a daffynition, and how is the answer a pun?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the puzzle, but I just don't see the connection with the title at all!

Oldcougar  (Level: 228.1 - Posts: 1935)
Mon, 5th Jan '09 8:25 PM

Esoteric Thanks for getting my brain cells moving this morning, Jim

Allena  (Level: 266.4 - Posts: 1409)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 8:07 AM

Which needs an explanation.

Allena's Punny daffynitions

Cracked crocodile – australian reptile dysfunction
English organs – no eye bank just a liverpool
Heavy narcissistic sieve – expect to strain yourself
Can Napoleon go home – tchaikowsky says of course he can
Communism drop outs – can not tolerate lousy marx
Vane inventive chemist – participant in the solution
Bedouin conflagration – blaze that is found in tents
Lost math formula – first sine of alzheimer disease
Second ungulate - consecutive deja moo
Narcissistic carols – joy to my world and suzy my snowflake

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 8:19 AM

Yes please. What the hell is a heavy narcissistic sieve?

Garrybl  (Level: 291.8 - Posts: 6772)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 8:41 AM


An interesting set but now I see the answers I'm really none the wiser.
the concept of a daffynition is (to my mind) a well know phrase subtly adapted.
None of these phrases meet that definition -- they are all a phrase changed by additional words and then with a pun built in. As such either they or the title dont meet the requirements.

For example the Napoleon/corsican phrase is very funny...but where's the link to Tchaikovsky?

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 8:48 AM

Narcisistic must be Jim's favorite word at the moment....
So "narcisisitic sieve" means "strain yourself"
The one that got me and lost lots of points was
"consecitive DEJA moo"

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 8:50 AM

Didn't Napoleon fail because he invaded RUSSIA
Tchaikovsky is russian, I think....

Maurlin  (Level: 220.5 - Posts: 2708)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 9:00 AM

Second ungulate - consecutive deja moo was the one that I thought would be more appropriate with the clue "Second ungulate again".

Maurlin  (Level: 220.5 - Posts: 2708)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 9:03 AM

Also, Is Suzy the Snowflake a Christmas carol? Never heard of it.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 9:50 AM

Barry, Tchaikovsky was rather famously elated by Napoleon's departure. That as the only one where I did get the punny link.

The title was the problem, not the puzzle. Jim wrote some very clever puns and plays on words - they just didn't quite meet the...uh...definition of daffynitions. Maybe if it had simply been called Wordplay or something, we wouldn't have had expectations.

Whatever you call it, I want to second something someone else said - I LOVED that it was entirely original and ungoogly. I figured the whole thing out with my own brain and I knew everyone else was doing the same, and that is rare and lovely.

Allena  (Level: 266.4 - Posts: 1409)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 10:53 AM

Thank you for the nice words. As far as the other words, I think I agree. The title was inappropriate. I will work harder to have more continuity. I think that being too esoteric is not fair considering this is for fun. I will strive to be clearer. Some of these do not meet the daffynition criteria. As far as puns go, I think I understand Smoke's point. Thanks for the honest appraisals.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 11:21 AM

I loved the Napoleon one. The one that threw me for a loop was "Suzy" my snowflake. But I did enjoy the narcissistic part of joy to "my" world and "my" snowflake. Who's Suzy? Inquiring minds want to know.

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 11:27 AM

Dang! Somehow I missed this puzzle. I like puns but don't know that I would have done any better solving the puzzles.

However, seeing the full set of clues and answers, I understand most of them and they are quite clever. I imagine a lot of thought went into writing the puzzles and I'm sorry I missed them.

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 11:34 AM

I didn't get the Napoleon one until seeing one of the messages here--at the time it didn't make any sense to me. What I still don't get, and hasn't been answered so far, is "Suzy the Snowflake." If that's a reference to a Christmas song, it's clearly to one I've never heard of. Any explanation for it?

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 11:48 AM

Narcissistic carols – joy to my world and suzy my snowflake

Lane, "Suzy Snowflake" is a Christmas/winter song. I'm sure you get the narcissistic part. I think Suzy Snowflake was one of the clues for a WP in December or maybe a quiz.

Dwayla  (Level: 199.3 - Posts: 150)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 11:50 AM

Boy, I'm feeling really bad now, as I just submitted a quiz on the lyrics to "Suzy Snowflake" so sure hope someone has heard of it so they take the quiz LOL!!

It's not technically a Christmas song, although it is usually heard around this time of the year.

And as far as the WP went, well I was clueless as I often am, but enjoy them, so just muddle my way through.

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 5:50 PM

Yes, I did get the narcissistic part (though it's not really a pun), but I have never heard of "Suzy the Snowflake," and I don't understand how it fits into the theme at all. Is Suzy a narcissist, too?

Larrybus  (Level: 318.1 - Posts: 383)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 6:38 PM

"Suzy Snowflake" isn't a Christmas carol. It's a short animated film from 1953, which was shown on TV during the winter in the '50s and '60s. According to the YouTube descriptions, it may have been shown only in the Chicago area.

Here it is in all its black-and-white glory:

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Tue, 6th Jan '09 7:58 PM

Thanks, Larry! Suzy is quite talented.

(Is there anything NOT on YouTube??)

Allena  (Level: 266.4 - Posts: 1409)
Wed, 7th Jan '09 10:46 AM

Here comes Suzy Snowflake
Dressed in a snow white gown
Tap, tap, tappin' at your window pane
To tell you she's in town

Here comes Suzy Snowflake
Soon you will hear her say
"Come out ev'ryone and play with me
I haven't long to stay

If you want to make a snowman
I'll help you make one, two, three
If you wanna take a sleigh ride
The ride's on me."

Here comes Suzy Snowflake
Look at her tumblin' down
Bringing joy to every girl and boy
Suzy's come to town

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