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Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Wed, 28th Jan '09 9:45 PM


Kinda feel like I'm talking to myself. But...

Is the blond woman Daniel's mom as a young woman? Is she and her illness present day the reason Daniel worked so hard on time travel - to somehow try to prevent something happening to his mom? He said last week that you can't change the past, so maybe he's tried several times unsuccessfully to save her.

That explains how Charlie's death was inevitable - that if it's your time, it doesn't matter how you go, you just have to go and nothing can change that.

After Daniel said the H-bomb covering is compromised, it's a bit weird to watch him climb right up to it and touch it all over.

I loved seeing Penny and Desmond together and that they have a son. It sure would be nice to see someone on this show be happy.

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Wed, 28th Jan '09 10:50 PM

Ooohhh .. sooo much happened.. sooo many questions. That's what is so frustrating about this show... even though some questions get answered, there's always more at the end of each episode.

Ok.. here we go:

Penny and Desmond – my favourite couple.. love love love them – and that was so amazing that they had a baby. Wonder what the writers are going to do with him lol. And Penny is awesome – she knows how this will affect Desmond and will see it through with him.

I don’t think the woman in the bed is Daniel’s mother. Desmond is visiting her in current time, and visited mom in current time 3 years ago to buy the ring. I think the comatose woman is either Daniel’s sister or former lover/wife who agreed to experiment with time travel with him.

Frigging wild that it was Widmore who funded Daniel’s research.

I can’t quit grasp why red head is bleeding but not asian guy. I understand that Desmond is Daniel’s anchor and I guess I can swallow that the Losties are exempt.

I don’t know about the theory that those on the island are time traveling BECAUSE the 6 got off – it started when Ben rolled the giant dial. I think maybe the 6 have to come back because they are the anchors for the other Losties.

I also don’t think Ben is going back to the island – I think he’s just rounding up the 6 to go back. He did say he could never go back again after rolling the giant dial.

Sun wants revenge on Ben and Ben alone. She said that to Widmore last week. He’s the guy who sent the freighter with the loony military guy.

Wonder who’s behind the investigation into Kate and Aaron? Sun seems to know. I’ll bet it’s Widmore as well – or Aaron’s grandparents.

AND! The Pièce de résistance – young Widmore !!!! Just before we discover that, Widmore told Desmond to deliver his message to Desmond’s mother and then go back in hiding with Penny because this goes back sooo many years. I think Widmore may not be such the bad guy after all (despite all his evil doings to date). I think Ben and/or Richard Alpert may be the devil/s in disguise lol .... and that Penny may be more involved than we've been led to believe to date - Widmore seems very concerned that she's not anywhere near all this.

This show is just too awesome and so much to think about!

Oh ya.. and by the way.. I think Sun and Jin will be reunited through this time travel storyline. Somehow, Jin will not be dead.

Alvandy  (Level: 239.8 - Posts: 7690)
Wed, 28th Jan '09 11:16 PM

I joined because Jank is the Queen.
I've never watched Lost.
So I'm Lost.
Taped tonight's show however [1/28/09]
I'll try to catch up

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Wed, 28th Jan '09 11:36 PM

A not-so-humble servant/loyal subject!

You have much work to do - many hours of watching, grasshopper.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Wed, 28th Jan '09 11:39 PM

Just got home from class. Taped the show. Haven't seen it. But will watch and comment later.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 12:04 AM

Thanks Pep! Can't wait to hear/read your take.

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 12:40 AM

Oh Al... I'm afraid you'll be completely Lost if you watch just tonight's episode lol .. I think Space might be playing them from the beginning again...start there m'friend

Fainodraino  (Level: 113.1 - Posts: 240)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 3:58 PM

Read a VERY interesting theory today...major spoiler, it it's true, so I'm going to skip down a bit and type it down at the bottom. If you don't want to hear this theory, then DON'T READ THIS!!!

What if the girl leading Daniel to the H-Bomb is his mother in the past? We found out that Widmore was on the island, what if she was on the island, too?

Fainodraino  (Level: 113.1 - Posts: 240)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 4:02 PM

BTW, in the last one, I meant to write "IF" it's true, not "it" it's true.

Ok, also, Charlotte (redhead), I believe is getting sick because she was on the island before. Also, the nosebleeds happened to Desmond as well, when he was time-hopping all over the place. Maybe it has something to do with that.

Also, found out today that Charlotte's full name is Charlotte Staples Lewis, or C.S. Lewis. (his middle name was Staples). The literary references never end!

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 10:53 PM

OMG Faino.. awesome theory.. and totally plausible! I love it!! Way to be a thinker!.. it never occurred to me. Daniel DID say she looks so familiar. And that explains why Mom is so involved in the research. If this is true.. Daniel and Penny are siblings!

I agree the nosebleeds are the same side effect that Desmond experienced (and the freighter guy who died) but he found his anchor in Daniel. She needs an anchor.

Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 536)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 10:56 PM

As soon as we found out the young male other was Charles (!!!!), I thought that the young woman (taking Daniel to the bomb) was very likely Daniel's mom - the age would be right, and she's obviously very involved with all this. I'm glad to see other people thought so too - I think we're right.

I think the woman in bed is an ex of Daniel's who agreed to help with one of his experiments.

How sweet was it that Desmond & Penny's kid is called Charlie?

I don't really understand the whole anchor thing, but maybe Ghostwhisperer is anchored by that ability somehow.

Love this episode. I love all the time traveling stuff, and so Desmond's storyline has been my favorite, since it was happening to him long before anyone else.

Oh - and I love the whole mystery of Richard. Locke meeting Richard was mind-bogglingly fun. When he was first approaching him, I wasn't sure whether Richard would recognize him or not. I thought he would.
So now ... several years from then, when Richard visits Locke as a young boy, those things he gives Locke to identify? They're probably ACTUALLY Locke's!! Not just symbolically items he "should" choose.

I love that Redhead's name is C.S. Lewis!

So fun ...

Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 536)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 11:05 PM

Wait ... Daniel & Penny would be siblings? Charles is Daniel's father? Or ... Daniel's mom is also Penny's?

Or is that just a theory? If so, I like it.

That's also an interesting idea about the 6 'survivors' being anchors for the others ... are there ... do the numbers match up? There's Locke & Sawyer & Whatshername Baby Doctor ... and I think Jin is alive too ... and Clare maybe? Wth is up with Clare anyway?

But then there are all the anonymous people left on the island who get killed whenever something goes down. (What happened with Rose & her hubby btw?)

It'll really be quite a feat if they can pull together and explain all these storylines!

Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Thu, 29th Jan '09 11:25 PM

Oooh.. another good theory Pafork ... "So now ... several years from then, when Richard visits Locke as a young boy, those things he gives Locke to identify? They're probably ACTUALLY Locke's!! Not just symbolically items he "should" choose.".... reminds me of the movie Somewhere in Time with Jane Seymour and Christopher Reeve... where did the locket come from? and where did it go? lol

Time travel is one of my favourite subjects.. I'm eating this storyline up

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 30th Jan '09 12:21 AM

Yes!!!!!!!! Thanks guys for coming over and talking it up.

I had thought she was Daniel's mom too. Which is probably why she isn't. Do they ever lead us down a path and it end up to be what they made us think? But Daniel sure sounded like it when she pointed out he was looking at her and he made some remark about it not being that he was interested in her. Do you guys remember that remark?

I'm looking forward to watching this episode again. Last week they showed Lost a 2nd time (can't remember what day...Friday? or Sunday night?). This week they're not doing that, but we can watch online, and we can watch this week's next Wednesday before the new show.

It's so fun to actually be excited about a TV show again. It's been....well, it's been since Friday nights were a date with Dallas.

What do you guys think about the idea that time actually shifted when they quit entering the numbers into the computer and the hatch imploded? Was it that same kind of light and noise? So that maybe they were already in a different time from when they crashed on the island?

Is Ben shifting time too with them now?

Alvandy  (Level: 239.8 - Posts: 7690)
Fri, 30th Jan '09 7:02 AM

I still didn't watch the 1/28/09 episode.
So I'm still very lost.
Perhaps I'll try to start from the original season and see if I can find myself.

Perhaps I should order the series from Netflix.
Suggestions welcome.

Fainodraino  (Level: 113.1 - Posts: 240)
Fri, 30th Jan '09 9:45 AM

Ok, either I missed it or it's just a theory, but I wasn't aware that Daniel was Widmore's son. Could someone clarify?

Ok, on the time travel thing. If you remember when Daniel first arrived on the island, he had the people on the freighter shoot something to the island, but there was a big delay between when they shot it there and when it actually arrived. So there was obviously (before the island was even moved) a time difference, albeit a relatively small one.

Does anyone remember when Daniel was showing playing cards to Charlotte and seeing if she could guess them? That was early on in last season. They never really took that any further, but I think it has something to do with her illness.

Also, I have another theory. This relates to Claire and the other dead folks (yes, I believe she's dead--could be wrong, but I think she is).

Ok, we know that the ever-illusive-and-mysterious-Jacob has used Christian (Jack's dead dad) as his spokesman. I think everyone that dies on the island is somehow...I don't know...undead, or...not really dead...or something...anyway, Jacob can use them to talk and appear to people. It has happened frequently. Christian was in the cabin, in the woods, on the freighter, etc. Also, I don't believe Hurley's supposed mental illness is what's causing him to see Charlie, Ana Lucia, and Mr. Eko. I think he REALLY is seeing them, and that's what's causing his illness. Since they're all dead (and died on or near the island), Jacob is able to "send" them to talk and appear to people. They've all gone to Hurley (and Ana Lucia even said Libby says "hi"---so sad), and I think they're real, but nobody else is seeing them.

Any thoughts?

BTW, I would definitely start from the beginning of this show. To jump in where we are now is futile, imo. But it's worth going back...I love this show.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 31st Jan '09 9:00 PM

Sorry to be a dunce - but 3 years after their return, is Jack in LA?

Because Jack's dad showed up to talk to Jack when Jack has the beard.

And Claire talked to Kate - but in her sleep.

I find it confusing that Sayid told Hurley not to trust Ben.

But Ana Lucia told Hurley NOT to get arrested.

And yet, what does Hurley do? He runs right out to the police and confesses to murder just to do the opposite of what Ben wanted (which is return to the island - which is EXACTLY what Hurley thinks they should do and wants to do) - and he gets arrested, contrary to what Ana Lucia told him.

It seems Ana Lucia's instruction would be one Hurley would follow more than even Sayid's because of Libby's message.

Remember - Sayid would not go along with Hurley when he asked him to vote against lying about the plane crash and the rescue. Sayid said they had to lie and went along with the other 4. And Hurley told Sayid - ok, but someday you'll need something from me - and I won't do it.

Sigh.....I love this show.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Sat, 31st Jan '09 10:00 PM

Finola Hughes, the Irish actress who plays the white-haired woman on the show has appeared twice. Once in a Desmond flashback (or time travel) last year when he was on the boat with Sayid and started having the nosebleeding thing. She said something prophetic to him, and I had goosebumps. I figured she was part of Dharma or Widmore's groups, but then we never saw her again...until last week, when she was the white haired woman in the hoodie at the end of the episode frantically writing formulas on a blackboard, while the pendulum was swinging and marking coordinates on the floor. The same coordinates she entered in the computer, when Ben came into the room.

I have a theory that she is Daniel Faraday's mother and was working at Oxford on the time travel stuff (that went horribly awry as evidenced by the woman confined to bed and traveling back and forth in her head.) I'll bet we see her in LA when Desmond goes there to tell her that her son is on the island.

I think she is connected to Charles Widmore (or Alvar Hanso - the Hanso Foundation which was referenced the first or second season but whom we haven't heard much from.)

Because babies and young people are so important to the island (or the people controlling the island), it appears that Charles Widmore was recruited as a youth or born on the island. He may have been a leader prior to Ben taking over and has a huge grudge against Ben (who killed all the Dharma initiative people).

So, I think we've got different people (and groups) visiting and in charge of the island during different time periods:

My theory:
1950s: Richard Alpert and Charles Widmore (they're wearing uniforms but have been referred to as the Others - I assume the original others)
Military personnel did hydrogen bomb testing, and when the bomb didn't go off, came to the island to retrieve it. Richard freaked thinking they were trying to take over the island and killed them.
Late 50's or early 60's Richard makes a trip to visit Locke as a child.

1960s-1970s: Dharma initiative people arrived. Don't know whether this drove Others into the jungle or that they chose to live in a separate place. Ben comes there as a youth, is mentored by Richard and then wipes out the Dharma people. Others come out of hiding and Ben is in charge.
I believe Widmore escaped and went to England, perhaps connected or recruited Mrs. Farraday (a scientist who had been researching time travel). I think Widmore knows the potential to harness the supernatural power from the island and has been working to get back control of the island. (However, since we've seen her in the same room with Ben, she may have had an earlier alliance with Widmore and now aligns with Ben.)
(Remember: from the various Dharma stations, they were experimenting with a variety of things. So, don't be surprised if other phenomenon from the past pop up again - like the medical experiments.)

1980s: Ben pulls together group and establishes utopian society with experimenting. A variety of people could have arrived at the island, don't know.

1990s into 2000's: Nigerian plane crashes there, the Black Rock ships crashes there, the hot air balloon crashes there, Desmond's boat lands there, flight 815 crashes there, and finally the latest group of folks arrived to take back Ben and/or possibly do something else to the island and ensure that others don't get in the way.

I believe Claire's son Aaron is still a pivotal piece - the next leader chosen from childhood? I think this is the reason Mrs. Farraday (Daniel's mother) has gone to LA. That is where Aaron is supposed to be.

I believe the island means different things to different people: Richard never ages (but it doesn't have that affect on everyone), Locke always heals (same affect on Rose, but not on everyone else); Desmond has prophetic visions, etc.

Lots of theories and ideas swirling in my head.

(Note to Al: Rent the DVDs from Blockbuster and learn about the characters and their stories. That will draw you into LOST. The mysteries surround LOST will keep you there.)

Fudypatootie  (Level: 205.5 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 12th Feb '09 4:59 PM

Pepper - Great theories. I like your analytical mind.

Don't forget season 1, Claire was told by the psychic that no one but her should raise Aaron. That should come back to haunt them in some way.

Not only do I love this show, but I'm so glad we have a forum to discuss it now!!! I have a friend who calls every Monday after Heroes to discuss, and now I have this for Lost.

P.S. If you are a Heroes fan, come on over to my group and join in on that one, too.

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