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gopackgo
Gopackgo  (Level: 210.0 - Posts: 44)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 9:23 AM

TOO PICKY?

I just had a quiz rejected because in the description I used 'to' instead of 'too'. Now come on how picky is that. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. What does everybody else think?
I agree that it is a good idea to check for typos and spelling, but grammer as well. Do we all need a degree in English to author a quiz around here?

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 853)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 9:28 AM

It seems picky, but if the editors are trying to maintain a standard for proper spelling and grammar then they need to keep it even across the board. I'm sure that once you fix the error your quiz will be approved quickly.

But I admit that too/to, there/their/they're, and its/it's is a pet peeve of mine. :blush:

~Tracy

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 269.6 - Posts: 2770)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 10:22 AM

From my own experience I suspect you weren't rejected as such, but effectively just asked to remedy before it went up?
What's wrong with that?
OK - this was a small point. But I'm finding it refreshing to see the much 'cleaner' quizzes that are now coming through.

doobie999
Doobie999  (Level: 90.3 - Posts: 29)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 11:06 AM

I agree gopackgo. Most people wouldn't even care about or notice the mispelling. I wouldn't. Oh well what can we do? Misspelling shouldn't matter to much unless it is an answer. Later!

puppet138
Puppet138  (Level: 173.0 - Posts: 65)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 11:20 AM

I agree grammer is a little picky. We all don't have english as a first language. We can't use a spell check either as it's not going to pick it out as a misspelled word. What to do?

philkon
Philkon  (Level: 274.3 - Posts: 474)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 11:22 AM

A lot of the older quizzes have those kinds of minor mistakes, and some much bigger ones, too.

I wonder if they are going to check the old quizzes?

englishrose49
Englishrose49  (Level: 22.0 - Posts: 38)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 11:50 AM

I`ve said it before and i`ll say it again , this will drive people away --me for one , and i`m a very good speller .
I thaught the problem was plagiarism, now it just seems to be general nit-picking

sploofus
Justin  
Mon, 5th Sep '05 12:27 PM

We certainly do NOT want to drive anyone away. However, we simply will not allow quizzes with misspellings, all caps, etc. to be approved. Our editors are going to ease up on the grammar rules (otherwise I could not write a quiz and have it approved!)

We do understand that this will drive some people away. That is the sacrifice we are willing to make in order to increase the value and legitimacy of our content.

And yes, in the future quizzes that have been created prior to eligibility guideline enforcement WILL be deactivated in small blocks (chronologically) and run through the editing queue.

A big thanks to our fine quiz authors, and our fine editors.

redbaron
Redbaron  (Level: 204.3 - Posts: 296)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 12:36 PM

My own two cents: grammar counts. It shouldn't take a degree in English to understand the difference between to/two/too and they're/their/there, not to mention the frequently misused it's/its. Incorrect grammar is as bad as incorrect spelling.

Some folks are highly spelling challenged. Some folks are highly grammar challenged. Not having English as a native language can have an equally bad effect on both. So why let the one slide and not the other? I'd be happy if some editor caught a think/typo on my part where I used the wrong form of a word, even if it's spelled correctly. I'd just correct it and resubmit.

Will

dwayla
Dwayla  (Level: 197.5 - Posts: 150)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 1:03 PM

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So will we get a chance to correct the mistakes on these quizzes? I know when you went to five answers, I went back and changed those that I could w/o changing the quiz.
Thanks,
Dwayla



linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 1:13 PM

It's my impression, from all the posts from the authors, that most quiz writers are interested in submitting a quiz that is literate, well written and easily understood. It sounds as though these new quizzes are passing through a "final filter", as it were, after the author's own extensive checking, which assures that they do indeed have such a quiz. I wonder why anyone would find fault with that concept. I'll bet the people who take the quizzes will appreciate it.
Diane

puppet138
Puppet138  (Level: 173.0 - Posts: 65)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 2:34 PM

Again I bring up that this filter/editor is aimed at people with english as a first language. I think it's discriminatory to enforce grammer or spelling to the nth to alot of users that may not totally understand where they are going wrong. If the jist of the question is understandable, than why? Isn't this site for fun? If so, why is there such a serious stance being taken for the english speaking players?

redbaron
Redbaron  (Level: 204.3 - Posts: 296)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 2:43 PM

Puppet's point is well taken, but I'd be willing to make a bet that the worst offenders are those for whom English _is_ their native language!

I'm sure the editors make allowances for folks who don't speak English natively. But even for those folks, corrections should be offered, and those corrections should be taken by the authors in the helpful spirit in which they are intended.

Will

twinboymom2001
Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 2:44 PM

Don't feel bad...I just had one rejected because I accidently typed "in" instead of "is" otherwise the rest of the quiz was fine. It was such a small error (I totally missed it) that the editor that sent me a message actually felt bad that he/she couldn't change it themselves.
Oh well...I just fixed it and resubmitted it. What else can you do?

koota
Koota  (Level: 185.4 - Posts: 2114)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 3:27 PM

Sadly, I notice things like to/too/two and other misuses of language. It drives me nuts, especially if the misspelling is in the correct answer, so I can't be sure if it is the right answer or not. I agree that we should take the corrections in stride. Fix the quiz and resubmit it.

If you run your quiz through a word processing program first, it should catch any misspellings.


cal10892
Cal10892  (Level: 40.2 - Posts: 35)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 6:11 PM

Let me get this straight. The editors are returning quizzes that need grammatical or spelling repairs. They also send an explanation of what needs to be repaired. The author repairs the quiz and it is then approved. Is that how it is happening? It always puzzles me when a simple act is turned into ugly discrimination. As has already been stated here, I know of plenty of people who have English as their ONLY language and can not get the spelling and grammer right. I have found that people who have learned English formally, as in those for whom it is a second language, have a better grasp of syntax and grammer than someone who learns it informally, as in those who learn it in infancy. I don't think it is discriminatory at all, just helpful. I haven't authored many quizzes since the change, but would appreciate someone letting me know if I made a mistake like that. I will never understand people who holler "dicrimination" when they don't like something. Why would you want to put such an ugly motive to something that is supposed to be helpful.

puppet138
Puppet138  (Level: 173.0 - Posts: 65)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 6:36 PM

Is that how its happening cal? Are they returning quizes saying that the wrong form of to/two/too, or their/there/they're has been used, so please use the correct form? If thats the case, than kudos to them. If all thats happening is that its been returned due to spelling mistakes or grammer, than yes, for somoeene that doesn't speak english well or understand the difficult language that is english, is very discriminatory. It is an ugly word, but it is what it is. This is a global site taking money from every walk and language of life. There has to be some leeway

chanel3
Chanel3  (Level: 16.1 - Posts: 48)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 6:56 PM

I plead the FIFTH~~!!!!!LOL

koota
Koota  (Level: 185.4 - Posts: 2114)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 7:03 PM

Discriminatory???? If I were learning English, I would want my errors corrected so that I could learn to speak (or write it) better.

sploofus
Justin  
Mon, 5th Sep '05 7:05 PM

UGH, I FEEL ILL !

THIS IS AN ENGLISH WEB SITE.

Quiz editors have the final say. If you do not like it, do not label it. Go somewhere else and author quizzes.

Any more talk of this "discrimination" is going to make me sick to my stomach. There is a Word Puzzle for this, check it out. Then go learn english!

siriusofazkaban
Siriusofazkaban  (Level: 15.1 - Posts: 196)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 7:46 PM

The problem is, sploofus cant reject one person's quiz for having incorrect punctuation and not someone else's for mispelling something. I had a quiz rejected with a small spelling error too, but I just resubmitted it and it got pushed through.
~Sirius

redbaron
Redbaron  (Level: 204.3 - Posts: 296)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 8:21 PM

I'm fully with the Sploofmeister on this one...It's silly to label the even-handed editing of quizzes on an English-language Web site for spelling and grammar "discriminatory" to authors who don't speak English as their native language. It would only be "discriminatory" if the editor were to say to themselves, "I've seen this author before, and their English is terrible. I'm going to be extra picky with this one." That's discriminatory. But I seriously doubt that's what's been happening.

As Sploofus said, this is an English language web site and reasonably good English is expected in the quizzes. The editors are volunteers who I'm sure would rather not have to take the time to note spelling and grammar issues, but that's part of the standards they're enforcing--in an even-handed manner I'm sure.

Will

ladymaynooth
Ladymaynooth  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 34)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 9:04 PM

I am going to reiterate what I said in a previous thread.

I don't find it fun to play semi-literate quizzes. I hope that Sploofus does insist that quizzes be constructed using the basic principles of English with respect to punctuation, spelling and grammar. This is a world-wide site and the use of non-standard English discriminates against those players who come from countries where English is not their first language. Communication problems will result for these people who have learned "proper English". For the same reasons, abbreviations, slang and chatspeak should also be strongly discouraged.

Two, too and to are three different words, with different spellings and different meanings. If you use the wrong one, you can totally change the meaning of a sentence or render the sentence into nonsense.

A person whose first language is English might not having any problem guessing what you meant, but it isnít fair to those Sploofus members from non-English speaking countries who are trying to improve their English by playing the quizzes. Imagine how you would feel if you tried to take a quiz in another language that you were learning, and you couldnít make sense of the question because it contained numerous spelling, punctuation and grammar errors.


redbaron
Redbaron  (Level: 204.3 - Posts: 296)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 9:16 PM

Ladymaynooth, what an excellent turnaround of the discrimination argument! I wish I'd thought of it.

Kudos!

Will

joelwdonnal
Joelwdonnal  (Level: 120.1 - Posts: 268)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 9:30 PM

If Sploofus is going to be so darn picky about quizzes spelled right, maybe they better look in their own backyard when it comes to WordPuzzles and misspelled words or wrong phrases. I have come acrossed both and recently on the misspelled words - so what can be done about that?

cal10892
Cal10892  (Level: 40.2 - Posts: 35)
Mon, 5th Sep '05 11:36 PM

Wow, I am with Willcrowder on this one. Excellent position Ladymaynooth!

mindmonkey
Mindmonkey  (Level: 277.1 - Posts: 295)
Tue, 6th Sep '05 12:53 AM

Maybe all we need to do is mellow out. First, Sploofus is not a life or death matter. We can enjoy ourselves here, but there have got to be more important things in all of our lives than our quizes.

Second, if the quiz editors hand back a quiz for spelling errors, just fix it. The solution is really pretty simple. And then, the birds will sing, the music will swell and we will all live happily ever after...and have lots less heartburn.

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 269.6 - Posts: 2770)
Tue, 6th Sep '05 3:35 AM

And how, Mindmonkey!
This is supposed to be the RELAXING part of my day!
No-one is forcing anyone who is really seriously disatisfied to stay with Sploofus under lock & key!
It's a good sign, though, that people do seem to care so much ...............
This is an excellent site, with its few warts and all.

magnolia1
Magnolia1  (Level: 74.5 - Posts: 147)
Tue, 6th Sep '05 6:59 AM

HOORAH...HOORAH to surreyman,mindmonkey and sploofus...well spoken...magnolia1

kravfighter
Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 565)
Tue, 6th Sep '05 10:26 PM

Maybe this is a good time to shamelessly promote my quiz "Do You Speak English Good?" so everyone can brush up on proper English grammar?? I wrote it a few months back before all of the current discussion.


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