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salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 12:51 AM

GREATEST PRESIDENT

February also contains the birthdays of two of our great presidents - Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Now that the lawmakers have rolled their birthdays into one day, I think it has lessened the significance of their birthdays.

But that's not my question.

I was thinking about the two birthdays in February and I was mulling over which president I thought was the most important president we've ever had.

Washington served as the country's first president. He established the Cabinet, although the Constitution made no reference to such a body.

President Thomas Jefferson authorized the Lousiana Purchase and organized the Lewis and Clark expedition, opening up the West.

Obviously Abraham Lincoln would be on the list for his leadership during the civil war. And, are there any school children who do not learn at least a few lines of the famous Gettysburg Address?

Only one rule to this poll: You have to confine your choice and comments to presidents who are dead. No comments on living presidents.

So, what do you think? Who was our most important president and why?

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.7 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 12:55 AM

Excellent poll.
Must ponder.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 2:50 AM

FDR. Pulled us out of the depression and led us into a justified war.

btsyshsbnd
Btsyshsbnd  (Level: 73.3 - Posts: 61)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 4:16 AM

Even though I’m a Southerner by birth, I’d have to say Lincoln was our greatest president. He led during the most trying time in the country’s history. Not only did he have to contend with factions within his own party but with the “Copperheads” or peace Democrats and a slew of incompetent and insubordinate generals. I don’t think there was another man at the time who could have handled the situation as well as he did. I also think the defeated South would have fared much better had Lincoln not been murdered.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 5:57 AM

5.Nixon: He ended the draft.
4.Carter: He invented reverse carpetbagging.
3.Van Buren: Too numerous to mention.
2.Lincoln: He made the NBA possible.
1.Clinton: Gave young fat women hope of some day being famous.

Honorable mention: Al Gore: He would have been the first president with two faces.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 6:18 AM

I cannot limit myself to one - Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts and Truman.

And I will refrain from commenting on Clueless Jimmy.


achad
Achad  (Level: 204.1 - Posts: 661)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 6:26 AM

Garfield: Love the cartoons!

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 6:56 AM

Andy

I can't pick one, so many have done truly great things, though none were perfect. Imagine that, they're human

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:50 AM

FDR

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 10:52 AM

Interesting thoughts so far. Just a reminder: The one rule is, no living presidents can be included. (Although I have to admit the Clinton remark was pretty funny)

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 11:17 AM

Attn: Pat

Rules are made to be broken.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 11:22 AM

Young man, if you give me any trouble I'll have no other choice than to put you in time out!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 11:48 AM

OK, I promise not to mention Clueless Jimmy here again.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 11:56 AM

Felix, you crack me up. Not exactly what people were expecting to hear to be each of those president's legacies but, succint nonetheless

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 6:39 PM

Andy, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Harry Truman. You've mentioned him several times in other posts.

Talk about someone being ill-prepared for the presidency - his education was average at best, he had some shady dealings with the Pendergast political machine. But history has been pretty kind to him.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 6:48 PM

Pat, I listed Truman in my top six. No education to speak of, but Harry had great judgment. Having fought Nazism, Imperialism and Communism, I wish he were here today to address his fellow Dems about militant Islam.

The Presidency is not about smarts. It's about leadership, integrity and judgment.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 6:55 PM

well said.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 7:00 PM

Thank you. I even remember when Harry was elected. I was 6 and there was lots of anti-Truman talk in the schoolyard.

Harry stands a real giant in history.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 8:02 PM

well see if I call you a young man again! You're not much younger than me.

I remember that election simply because Thomas Dewey came to a town near my hometown and we went to see him. As I recall he was in a convertible, seated on the back waving to the crowd. He must have known he had to campaign hard to get anywhere if he was coming to the towns of less than 2,000 population back in those days.

I don't remember the news about the false headline and I don't remember the results of the election at all. But I do remember seeing Thomas Dewey.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 8:14 PM

I love Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan.

But I love Gerald Ford because he did a great Chevy Chase impression, and he played golf like I do.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.7 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:19 PM

No, no, I met the young fat girl and you couldn't believe how pretty and vivacious she is, in person. Either she films hideously, or the media did that on purpose. I was shocked at how attractive she is.

I get to say that, since you said what you said, despite saying we couldn't say that, now we have. So I can say this:

NIXON????!!!! You mean the guy who was not a crook?

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:20 PM

Thankfully no one has mentioned JFK who was the most over rated pres in my book.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.7 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:21 PM

I was just about to mention him.
He gave an entire, tired, lost, upset, disenchanted generation a deep sense of joy and hope.
Plus the pill box hat. And children in the white house.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.7 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:22 PM

And the Peace Corp

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:25 PM

And the real instigator of the Viet-Nam fiasco. And I might also mention that he totally ignored the civil rights issues.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.7 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:40 PM

Really? Totally ignored the civil rights issues? How's that?

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.7 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 9:56 PM

Well back to the question.

I will incur the indignant disagreement of many and say Jimmy Carter. Who isn't dead, so I can' t say him. I can say that I admire so much he has achieved, both during his Pres and throughout the rest of his life. If he had not been President, he would not be today literally eradicating horrible diseases from the earth, for instance.

It was fair to restrict it to dead guys though.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 10:11 PM

Clinton is still living?

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Mon, 2nd Feb '09 10:34 PM

Best president? Easy one...

El Presidente, fabulous beer.

HRH...Me.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.1 - Posts: 5313)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 12:07 AM

Godwit, in my opinion Jimmy Carter has made a much better former president than he was president. He has become well known for his good work around the world with Habitat for Humanity.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 3:33 AM

Don, please don't lay Vietnam on JFK. LBJ allowed himself top get sucked in bigtime. Too much happy talk at the Pentagon, and he swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 3:34 AM

Darn, Pat, I promised I wouldn't mention him again.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 9:58 AM

JFK laid all the groundwork, you know, the "advisers" the "Domino Theory", all that crap. I was in the Army from '60 to '63 and watched many officers and high clearance em's sent over, many of them with civilian passports and ID's. All before LBJ got "sucked in". JFK put ALL the groundwork in place.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 10:24 AM

Yeah, Don, but LBJ pulled the switch. He authorized the Gulf of Tonkin. He didn't have to jump in with both feet.

LBJ all the way, buddy.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 1:25 PM

OK Andy,,,stalemate. But I think JFK was no more than another horny democrat.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 3rd Feb '09 1:30 PM

Lots of pols are horny, Don. Comes with the territory.

I just wouldn't blame JFK for something his successor did.

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Fri, 6th Feb '09 3:45 AM

Horny democrat, horny republican, who cares. We men are designed to be horny. Who would not let some young girl put it in her mouth if we had the chance. WOO, WOO WOO.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 6th Feb '09 4:06 AM

Hi, Bill, you live down there on that little peninsula south of Valencia where Villarreal plays. I'm not that far away from you. Just roll up the coast and cross the border.

Frankly I don't care what Presidents do personally outside the White House. That said, the Oval Office is the place where the people's business is transacted. And Presidents don't lie to courts.

As for that kind of sex, I personally don't enjoy it at all.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Fri, 6th Feb '09 5:14 AM

http://www.presidentcheese.com/home.html

Would get my vote except they're still alive.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.6 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 6th Feb '09 5:24 AM

Well, Martin, those supermarket cheeses are fairly ordinary in my neck of the woods.

I buy all my cheese from a lady who comes to my market every Wednesday with mostly artisan cheeses.


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