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tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 21st Feb '09 10:36 PM

JOIN THE COUNCIL OF CONSERVATIVE ECONOMICS

I just joined the Council for Conservative Economics. Listening to them and doing what they say takes all of the guess work out of worrying about the economy. All you have to do is sit back and parrot what they tell you and people will be in awe of your wisdom.

While not new, the philosophy of this group was a hallmark of the Reagan Administration. It was heeded by Clinton on many occasions, like when he deregulated the banks and Wall St.. Bush listened most of the time, but not enough.

Reagan taught use all Government was our enemy. Big business and the mega-wealthy are our real friends. They make America work. Without them, all will be lost. The government, not the rich, caused the current mess. Hence the core belief of the organization:

NOTHING CAN BE DONE CORRECTLY UNLESS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, MOSTLY OLDER, WHITE MALES, ARE MAKING MONEY BY DOING IT.

Now, as members, our job is to always push forward the Principles of the Council for Conservative Economics. We should memorize them, and not try to explain or expound on them. The leaders of the Council will do that as needed. We just need to keep pressing the principles forward in the public eye.

So, what are the principles? Well, here they are and when to say them:

In times of Economic Boom -- This is is a perfect time for tax cuts and deregulation. The way to sustain this booming economy is by clearing the path for those who have driven it forward.

In times of Economic Stagnation -- This is is a perfect time for tax cuts and deregulation. The way to get the economy back on track is to clear the path for those who were driving it forward so they can regain traction and get us moving, again.

In times of Economic Recession -- This is is a perfect time for tax cuts and deregulation. We got into this situation because the government is taking too much of our money and stifling the freedom of the engineers of progress that were moving us forward before the government got too stingy and put too many barriers between them and the ability to keep the country rolling forward.

Well, that is the basics. The last thing you do is promote the Council's current hot topic, whatever it may be.

For instance, take what we call the Death Tax. They take rightfully earned fortunes from people's family when they die. Forget about the fact it only affects .2% --- that is two tenths of one percent of the taxpayers of the nation. Who knows, you could hit the mega-ball and be one of that .2%. The key is to unquestionably support all of the Council's requests.

C'mon. Get on board. You'll never have to worry about money, again.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Sat, 21st Feb '09 11:04 PM

Steve, I am not a rich white man - how do I get in on this action? You certainly can't fight that kind of logic!

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 21st Feb '09 11:10 PM

Well ... I guess I could get a sex change operation ... but it seems like such a drastic move ...



tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 21st Feb '09 11:17 PM

My understanding is that virtually none of us who are not already among the ones at the top will ever join them. The keys is to believe that by doing things to make the super rich even rich will help us as their gratitude trickles down to the rest of us.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sat, 21st Feb '09 11:19 PM

With a name like Randy, I can easily fix that man part, it's the rich part I screw up on

I haven't figured out this tax cut thing, with people unemployed or making less money, won't we pay less taxes anyway Or do they mean people who can well afford to pay get more cuts. I don't know about the States but in Canada a blue collar worker making 100 grand a year pays far more than someone making 3 x's as much. I never was any good at math

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 21st Feb '09 11:34 PM

Aw, crud. So, even if I get a sex change, since I'm not already rich, I'm not gonna get richer????

That stinks.

How 'bout if I just get a little bit richer???

How 'bout if I just get a little less poorer???

I can work with a little less poorer ...

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 12:30 AM

Omg - I just looked this up - can't believe such an organization exists. Lester Maddox was one of the creators - nuff said. Geez, they must be mortified to have a non white as president. They are being very tricky with that name - I'm sure they have had supporters who didn't know the whole scoop. I thought this was a group of old wealthy bankers wanting big tax cuts and not reinvesting in the growth of middle class America - bad enough. These people are really a watered down KKK!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 3:13 AM

Not to worry, Steve, heard tonight that Obama will cut the National Debt in half by the end of his first Administration-think that is his time line. No details yet but involves taxing the shit out of the rich and completely getting out of Iraq. Sounds good but then why am I seeing more troops going to Afghanistan-different place and much more difficult place to fight? Perhaps he'll wind it up much quicker than the Russians did as weren't they fighting there for many years? We all have our current idea of "RICH" but believe that might change to anyone earning slightly over $30.000.00 will have to pay much more to take care of the deadbeats-you see it is all in the definitions of WAR and RICH and POOR. I am beginning to understand that when he is talking about the middle class he is not talking about me and mine as we are now among the RICH! Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 3:21 AM

You see, Steve, it is all about changing words and definitions-surely you have noticed that-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 3:51 AM

Just like to add that because me and mine do not fall under the current definition of Rich, have no off-shore accounts set up. Some Swiss bank is under pressure now to release the names of people with large sums of money in accounts there. Will be very interesting if they are forced to do that how many familiar names are revealed. You don't suppose there are many prominent Republicans and Democrats among them do you? If would also help me and mine tremendously if we could get into politics and then we could cheat on the taxes we are going to get on our $30,000 and write it off without interest nor penalties if we come to the forefront of the public eye by saying it was an honest mistake or hope like Charlie Rangle that the property we own out of the country will slip by unnoticed and if it is noticed we will have friends like Nancy who never hold the investigation. If you think that the super rich now will not figure out a way of hiding their asset, you are more naive than i am, Steve. There is a popular book out now that the title says in effect, The Best Way to rob a Bank is to Own it. No, it will be the average working person who will pay foir those who don't work and never have and often never tried- Linda

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 3:51 AM

No, no, no! "Rich" they have said many times, means making over ..I forget exactly.
Darn.
It is about 230,000.

Do you make over $230,000? If so, you will lose the tax benefit you were given before. You won't be taxed MORE...you'll just lose the tax advantage you got.

Also, taking care of "deadbeats" means they won't be sucking up state funding, medical care, and all the cheese and soup.
Letting the poor and destitute remain so costs us all. Programs get them education, medication, child care and jobs. So we need to pay for some programs. And for police. And Fireman. Streets and highways, and bridges. Libraries. Public transportation. The past 15 years everyone in the suburbs has voted No Way for any taxes or wage increases or anything at all to support those things. Then we wonder why the bridges are falling down and crime is up and libraries are closing.

But back to your first comment. You DO sound amazingly direct, clear and definite. Like you have heard the answers, know them and there they are. Wow. Scary!

Okay I'm outta here. Quite late and weary, and missing the absent trivia question. Enjoyed stopping by.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.7 - Posts: 911)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 4:07 AM

Yep, there are people here who think like that too. I've got a feeling there's a British branch of that group. Tax cuts for low to middle income earners are always a good vote winner but simple math/numbers shows that the government gets most of it's income from that group too. Hmmm, a conundrum!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 4:08 AM

The rich in the US can pay more, but that won't solve ANYTHING.

Countries with low tax rates on employment, income and capital gains are prosperous states. Best to tax consumption and give a cash credit to those with lesser incomes

Conservative economics, liberal economics? I just believe in good economics, economics that work and I draw from both sides. However, what Steve just posted is not economics.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 4:21 AM

Who is that impersonating Collioure? He makes a good point.
Though I think the tax bennies handed out ought to be revoked. That will be of some help.
Also, no one wants to give cash or cash breaks to the poor. They are convinced the poor will squander it.
Nonetheless, good point.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 4:33 AM

Maybe my figure of $30..000 was a bit out of line but he'll get there and you can bet huge companies like Gm will not pay higher taxes after all they now have government hugely invested in them. Places like"MR Beef" in Chicago although thriving will have to cut employees and put moire people out of work. In Steve's system the very rich who are expert at hiding wealth and the poor benefit and the guy in the middle-middle class-get hurt. Haven't seem soup lines in my day, Godwit, and folks who qualify for medicaid seem to have a good or better health care that medicare. Really tired of being made to feel quilty about the "victims' with their I-Pods. If you pay attention to the numbers of who he will tax it has become lower since the campaign. See much incentive being destroyed and looking better and better to work as little as possible if at all-Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 6:21 AM

No, Godwit we must give breaks to the poor and disadvantaged. For example, with a value added tax (20% here in France and Europe) which essentially is a sales tax a cash rebate to those with lesser incomes is recommended.

Taxing the wealthy - well the problem is that can be self-defeating. They flee, they stop investing, they shelter their income, they cheat . . .

Right now it would lower the deficit a touch.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 9:13 AM

You know, if you capped out any human group on earth except "RICH WHITE MAN" this would be called hate speech.

Satire is rich and brilliant, but just because you used those 3 words doesn't make it right. And from there it's mob mentality.

Col is right. Capitalism actually works. What you're talking about, taxing the rich to lower the deficit that he just created will destroy capitalism. Remember, the stimulus package plus the original bailout has pretty much put this country in bankruptcy. Those rich who employ you will go under too.

So what you're really saying is you want to punish the rich (whom, I'm guessing you assume all made their money illegally) so that nobody has money. Because that's what will happen if you destroy the rich. It won't bring the poor out of poverty of allow a middle class to even exist.

And excuse me, but there are almost as many conservatives as there are liberals in the United States, and we're not all rich, white men. We're every nationality, every color, every religion, both sexes and every variant. We work hard for what we make. We are the largest givers to charities.

No wonder you don't know. You're busy standing outside throwing rocks. Maybe it would benefit your life if you went and started your own company and showed everybody how it's done. Provide some jobs for people who need them. And be proud of yourself for "ask(ing) not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 10:34 AM

Think everyone needs to know that Eric Holder's most recent words "we are a nation of cowards" and what some Congressman from Mississippi said about governors not taking parts of the mess because the strings attached would make demands on their budgets when the initial money is gone which they could not sustain-set race relations back considerably in the US. It makes things once again about RACE and not politics which it should be. We have a Black President and a Black Attorney General which should show that folks' votes did not split along totally racial lines-some liberal rich white guy had to vote for Obama-right? Poor old John MCCain tripped alll over himself so he wouldn't mention the word BLACK. I went through a period in the 60s where i kinda thought the commune theory of sharing everything might be the "fair' way to go. That was before I worked all of my adult life to have a home and any extras I might have and my cable got turned off accidentally because the guy hit the wrong switch on the box when he meant to cut off my deadbeat neighbors. For those of you who believe I bash the Big 3-I am still driving my Ford Escort 99 the last Escort model made. Cars last longer here because the roads don't have the huge potholes and Fl. has a toll about every 5-10 miles to maintain them. The lack of salt also helps cars last longer. Call it a bridge loan or a bailout same thing-me subsidizing something that doesn't work. At least when the banks were given loans it looked a bit better like the auto companies as they were also called loans with high interest rates. Do I think they will be repaid-NO! These mortgage reworkings don't even pretend to give anything back to the taxpayer. You don't hear much either that folks who have already had these reworkings as it is not profitable for a bank to get the property back have over 50% default again. And the companies Frannie and Freddie which were endorsed by Clinton will be giving these reworkings and caused the whole mess to start with- done with this particular rant but not done wit the subject you can be sure-Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 12:51 PM

I like this bumper sticker:

Socialism: A Great Idea Till You Run Out Of Other People's Money

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Feb '09 1:14 PM

Note: not sure where the Congressman was from but he was saying that one Governor representing a state with lots of Black folks was racist because he was hesitant to accept the amount given and to whom (might be referencing the part-time workers-don't know) because when the government money ran out that state would be locked into something they could not sustain. I really don't know what is good for the GREATER but believe I should pay attention to what affects me and mine adversely- Linda


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