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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 1:17 PM

900 MILLION TO GAZA STRIP

This one is raising eyebrows since we certainly have our own economic woes. The money would be channeled through the UN but any realistic person knows that Hamas controls the Gaza Strip and they will definitely have access to this money -if only by who gets the rebuilding contracts.. Currently our government classes Hamas as a terrorist group so are we then not giving money to terrorists? This is one of those things that faced with the pitiful pictures coming out of that region one could clearly be labeled as a heartless SOB if they opposed it. It was only after reading what was in the Child Health Care Plan that the President signed not too long ago that I realized that "child" could include 30-year-olds. I am really hating being put in the position that if I don't support a person or certain policies that I am an uncaring anti-American or worse yet a racist. Everyone is being given the "either or" option and it stinks IMHO- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 2:06 PM

Are you sure about that, Linda?

Do you have reference?

If true, it's unreal. These feckless folks have done nothing positive for 50 years.

Except invest in terrorism.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 2:10 PM

Fox News-cable

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 2:11 PM

Linda, who is making you feel like you are anti American or a racist? I don't see that. I do think we should give some time for this mess to begin to get sorted out, addressed and on it's way to a solution. You and I do NOT agree when it comes to politics but I admire your moxie and I support your right to criticize a policy you don't like without assuming it's for any ulterior reason. I feel like for so long after 911 that people were branded unAmerican if they questioned anything that our president or government was doing - I think that's why there is so much Bush "bashing" now. It was wrong to scare and intimidate people like that - especially coming out of a tragedy that should have brought us all together. I really feel strongly that this is becoming a country where you can once again voice your differing opinions without being labeled some hurtful name. I hope that will be true on Sploofus as well. So, please give it some time, Linda, but don't ever stop treating us to your rants - I enjoy quite a lot of them even if I don't agree with them. Rock on, girl!

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 2:14 PM

PS - You might try getting your news from additional sources than Fox - might be good for you. I worry about you getting so upset.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 2:17 PM

Oh, pulllleeeeeeze, Knerd.

No one branded you unAmerican.

However, it was rather interesting in the wake of 9-11 to find lot of folks blaming us for the attack and more concerned about how we were treating the terrorists than snuffing out a menacing threat to the civilized western world.

You sleep in the bed you make.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 2:31 PM

I don't see where Knerd said she had been called anti-American. Guess I just kinda miss good ole Bill C.. Him I could disagree with freely without being labeled as anything or the fear of that. He did give the current President a bit of good advice I think that he needs to lighten up on the catastrophe thing. Karen, I pretty much distrust all politicians equally. I tend not to like the government spending my money on things that I don't agree with though. I have never been wealthy and never will be so I find the huge Corporate and Wall Street guys as offensive as I do the politicians. Think you can also safely assume that because I tend to be conservative in my views I am not religious and find people who try and force their religious principles on others as offensive as the rest of the bunch. You are also correct, Karen, that I need to start watching the old movies again as they tend to end happily and take a break from the news Fox or otherwise LOL Linda

newyorkgoomba
Newyorkgoomba  (Level: 214.8 - Posts: 58)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 3:51 PM

Fox News and Rush Limbaugh!....give us all a BREAK and stop posting a new screed every time you turn on the radio or tv to those well-balanced arbiters of truth...have a nice day

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 4:00 PM

WELL... thank you very much and you have a nice day also. I really will have to listen to Limbaugh and I like Fox News. Also I will post whatever i please and you have the option of reading it or not- Linda

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 4:32 PM

Collioure - please quit misquoting me!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 4:34 PM

Linda, a reference would be a web address of an article.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 5:49 PM

Find it yourself or just skip what I said. Eventually you will hear it on whatever source you have in France or maybe you won't-then you will never know if I made it up or perhaps heaven forbid "MISQUOTED" someone or something- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 5:52 PM

Linda, I tried to find it

At Fox.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 5:58 PM

It is true, the money is supposed to be doled out through the UN, not Hamas. The Israeli's laid waste to the Gaza strip. Much suffering there. Maybe we can reduce the amount of money we give to Israel for weapons to make up for it. (ducking...)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 6:00 PM

Well I guess I made it all up then because with your brilliant mind you cannot find it then it must not be there-Linda

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 6:08 PM

This is one of those threads we have seen too often lately of good people being mean to one another. I hate it.

I love political DISCUSSION...this is not. Karen tried to make some overtures of balance and rational input, and got treated superficially. I see this entire thread as no longer on any topic, but simple back-biting and innuendo.

This is the main reason I will not...and do not usually participate. So I will be an adult, and not read anymore of this thread. There is much intelligence on Sploofus in other places. This thread reminds me of high school...no facts, just strutting.

My opinion only,
Sun

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 6:10 PM

Don't know if Google France will have the same trouble you did trouble you did but Google Us finds it fine under US aid to Gaza Strip. To get it that way and the way it was reported on Fox, you have to go down 2 or 3 entries to an AP release written by Matti Friedman titled something like US Official: Gaza aid reconstruction to Gaza strip to top 900 million.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 6:32 PM

Sandy, Fox noted aid would be given through the UN but since Hamas controls who does the reconstruction it is going to them. I have no idea if Us support of Israel justifies this or not. was just commenting on something I thought might be of interest. I really enjoy Knerd and know she was trying to present a fair view. Seems that Andy has a personal vendetta out for me going back to the Public School thread which I knew a lot about from personal experience but he disagreed with me both publicly and via pm. I still have yet to figure out what his point was other than he was way smarter than I am. I apologize to Karen and anyone else who got rude comments from him because of me- Linda

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 6:57 PM

Andy gave Linda the finga and Knerd got perturbed. Let's end this.

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 1684)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 7:04 PM

Amen, amen and amen!

skidrowkiddo
Skidrowkiddo  (Level: 4.4 - Posts: 21)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 7:18 PM

Go to BBC and search Gaza.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 8:12 PM

Wrong again, Sandy. FYI I'm a rather polite gentleman.

Linda, thanks for the clarification. Finally found it on Yahoo.

What a waste of money IMO. It seems to me the Obama admin thinks the key to calming down the Arab world is solving the Israel/PLO impasse. If so, they are very naive because it's nothing more than a convenient excuse for the Arabs, and it won't happen in any case. Heck, the Arabs themselves don't even help the Pals.

BTW, Sandy, this is the proof that you are a true bleeding heart. I do feel sorry for the innocent Palestinian families, but these people have been so poorly led for so long they will never get it right. In the larger sense it's a long way back from radicalism, and the Pals are not even close to finding the right road.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 8:18 PM

I agree with many that the Palestinian question IS the answer to the problems in the middle east. I like you, but don't like you telling me "wrong again" if you don't agree.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 8:59 PM

This is what you were wrong about, Sandy

"Andy gave Linda the finga"

and you were WRONGGGGGG!!!!!!

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3779)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 9:33 PM

FOX News...lmao. That is a grand oxymoron. FOX is so slanted to the right they are blind in their left eyes. Could say the same in reverse about MSNBC. I know propaganda disguised as new when I hear it. For the record, CNN is the schizophrenic of new sources, going from left to right at the turn of an hour.

FOX is nothing more than a P.R. spin doctor for the Republican Party. At least Rush is honest about being a right wing toon. I liked him best when he was a drug addict condemning those who used drugs...his most revealing period. FOX tries to pretend they are a "news" sources...rotflmao. Anything Rupert Murdoch touches turn into a caricature of reality. He is the Disney of news.

Linda, nothing personal. I would say this to my best friend, and I have. Please pick up the remote and try to get a balanced reading of the news. Change the flipping channel. Challenge your mind with more than one point of view. Don't take anything you hear verbatim...cross check it. Try the radio on occasion. The Sirius XM I have in the bus has a amazing variety of new from all over the world. A Sirius XM connection would be a great thing for you to add to your repertoire of sources.I had wondered where you were coming up with some of these "weird", highly slanted takes on things, now I know. Listening to only to one source, or filtering everything through one source, is a recipe for a woefully misinformed person.

Now, I am checking out before the critics starting trying to instruct us all on what Obama really said and meant...like he is incapable of speech on his own...and we are incapable of figuring anything out for ourselves without their push down the slide on the right.



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 9:45 PM

Steve, the story was accurate.

I don't get Fox over here, but in the US Special Report with Brit Hume ends with a quite balanced and excellent panel discussion of the news of the day, and O'Reilly aside from when he is on his high horse is a pretty fine TV journalist. The rest of the programming (esp daytime) is slanted.

Best News in US - Jim Lehrer on PBS. Can watch most of it online.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Tue, 24th Feb '09 9:53 PM

Steve, you are correct that I need to listen to other news sources than Fox. I do believe though that the most vocal folks here including you whom I like ever so much remain in "campaign mode". It is no longer about what he says but what he does and what I see happening in my neighborhood and to my kids and grands back in Mi. His greatest gift is his power to inspire by his speech. It brought him from a "nobody" to the winner of the Presidency. I need to get beyond what he says and yes I judge him quickly as guess it is a plus but he has been responsible for spending huge sums of taxpayer money in a month. Half way through tonight's speech and he is already laying the groundwork for more massive spending. I am going to look everywhere until I figure out how it is spent and where he is taking us- Linda To get a bit of slant from the other angle you might want to tune in Fox on occasion.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3779)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 4:40 AM

My point had nothing to do with the root story, Andy. It is about the spin and the presentation. FOX, which sould be called FOX Skews, follows every accurate reading with twists, turns and distortions. Same can be said for MSNBC. There are many better sources, including Lehrer, BBC World News, World News Channel, etc. Also many good written sources.

Linda, I agree that it is now about what he does, but he has been in office a month. He is trying to deal with a mess with its deepest roots in the 1980s and Reaganomics, and the summary year, especially the specious legislation of the Republican lead Congress led by Newt and Phil Gramm that put a veto proof bill to deregulated, or more specifically in the case of much of the trading practices that created this mess, not regulate the practices of Wall St. and the banks. And of course, this all blew up over 8 years of Nero fiddling. So thinking he is a failure or not succeeding when he has only been in office for a month is the "I want it now" thinking of today's youth and consumers.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 5:36 AM

Yes, Steve, but you chose this moment to criticize Fox which also has some very fine, insightful balanced programs - e.g., Beltway Boys if Mort Kondracke is still there.

And the story which I questioned at first was accurate.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 7:00 AM

Just for the record, Steve, I listened to the President's ENTIRE speech which was not interrupted by anyone. I also listened to the LA Governor respond without interruption too. Obama beats anyone hand down on his ability to sell whatever he is selling but am going to check very carefully was he came out and said,-my own hearing, that Government would be stepping into a whole lot of things where i believe they have no business being. It also will make the money he already spent 'chicken feed" and as much as he says it will only be those earning over $25000 per year even to me that does not make mathematical sense and am sure that at some point pretty much any working person will see tax hikes. The la guy didn't come off too well as he is noiot as gifted of speaker and he lacked the backdrop and the pomp. Please don't tell me that the legislatures he is working with will cut anything out of their pet projects- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 7:08 AM

Well, Linda, I applaud a number of the initiatives the President cited. I will be very interested in the details to follow - esp in health care and in providing a "competitive education to every American child." (Isn't that what he said?)

And I too will be interested to see how much pork sails through the next piece of legislation.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 7:31 AM

I'm sad that it almost sounds as though the president believes in "magic speak" - if he says it enough, it will happen.

He doubled the debt with the stimulus bill, then said he was going to cut the debt in half. I think it's impossible to have it both says.

And also, how can that be done when the next budget will also be exhorbitant? If you notice, he said NEXT year's budget will not have pork - not this year's.

He told us the stimulus package has no pork in it. But in truth, it has lots of pork in it.

That's just magic speak with no reality.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 7:35 AM

Oh - and according to the speech last night, America invented the automobile.

Not true. An American invented the assembly line, not the automobile.

Just because something sounds good doesn't make it true.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 8:02 AM

Jank, I noticed that too-most likely Germany would resent that a bit. Seems Fox is not alone in the "spin" department-he puts a spin on everything.Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 8:06 AM

Too negative IMO, ladies.

Such speeches are always upbeat and overflowing with promises.

He's our President for at least four years. We need to hope he succeeds.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 8:15 AM

I believe the country needs to succeed. I believe capitalism needs to succeed. Magic speak does not breed success, and is in some instances hurtful to people and the economy.

Just look at Mr. Bush. His magic speak didn't work either, and I believe it hurt the country and the economy. The economy will be suffering for years because of him, also.

The belief that anybody or anything is too big to fail is not true. No one person "needs" to succeed if it hurts the country and future generations. If the negative fits, we'll all be stuck wearing it.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 8:19 AM

I certainly won't do that again, Andy, since you believe I shouldn't.......LOL Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Feb '09 10:49 AM

Linda, to each his own. I believe we should hope for our President to succeed. You have the right to differ from that.

Jank, Bush deserves a share of the blame for the economy, but hardly the lion's share. That goes to Mr Greenspan.

We are hearing a lot of partisan mumbo jumbo from the Democrats about the reasons for this downturn. One of them is the Bush tax cuts (which surely helped the economy in the days of 9-11, Enron, and the recession inherited from Clinton). That's mullarkey. The Democrats also proposed tax cuts at that time.


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