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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 10:24 AM

SWEDEN TELLS SAAB TO TAKE A HIKE

The socialist model has told their biggest auto dealer to take a hike. No "bailout" or "bridge loan" or whatever you chose to call it. All of you who think it sounds good to spread the wealth might want to realize the the end result is we will all be equally poor IMHO. The bonuses are excesses by the Wall Street guys are being used to outrage people and that they do while slipping things by them-the investors are not necessarily the CEOs but people who are setting up retirement funds and things like that so Wall Street is more than just about abuse. Things like the "green' folks want will be passed on to the consumer like your utility bill with the carbon thing. He can say no higher taxes for any family earning over $250,000 yearly all he wants but get beyond that-when rich people are allowed to keep less they will get it back one way or the other by creating fewer jobs or charging more. If he decreases the allowed deductions to charity which the largest contributors are the most wealthy, who will that hurt? He is a charismatic speaker as was Hitler, FDR, Reagan, and Churchill and many before them. PLEASE look beyond the words-PLEASE- Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 10:28 AM

Linda, Do you think that the masses will catch own? Or will there be a rewrite on the old adage: ' You can fool some of the people...........

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 10:57 AM

Well, Linda, you are correct to driect us to watch what Obama

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 10:59 AM

Well, Linda, you are correct to direct us to watch what Obama does.

I do.

But let's be fair in our evaluations.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 11:04 AM

No one has to fool everyone.

They just have to fool enough.

A massive gasoline tax hike - on miles traveled or however it will be gaged? Who does that hurt the most? Yet there are not supposed to be increased taxes on anyone with combined income less than $250,000.

Getting rid of the deduction on home mortgages? Who does that hurt the most? Ditto.

United States money obligations are now larger than the COMBINED Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of every country on Earth.

That MUST hurt the environment, because soon all we'll be able to afford to eat are the leaves on the trees and bushes. No more bossing people around about disappearing rainforests. They'll be exporting the leaves to us.

Remember the funny email we've all received at one time or another about the new 1040? It no longer has comedic value. It has 1 question and 1 instruction:

1. How much did you make this year ?__________________________

2. Send it in.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 11:04 AM

Okay, Andy, you give me a FAIR evaluation on where he is improving the economy for those of us living in the US and not in France and point out specifically where I said something untrue. Linda

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 11:35 AM

It just sounds like another SAAB story to me...


(ducks and runs...)

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 11:37 AM

heeheehee - you rock!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 11:38 AM

That reminds me, I am out of corn. Thanks Sun.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 11:47 AM

Anyone look at California lately? Before you say they have a Republican governor please not said governor has next to nothing to say about what goes on there. They have pretty much taxes everyone out of the state. At one time they were a leader with their programs. Taxes on the "RICH and the "Green folks" have basically put the state into a condition teetering on bankruptcy. Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 12:25 PM

California is receiving "Billions" from the stimulus plan but they continue to have the highest unemployment rate in the nation and they are cutting back on what people call "essential" servicesa nd the bailout won't change that Before you say give Obama's plan a chance to work, he might want to have waited to get his beuracracies in place to hand out the dole. Everything is about speed without looking at things. The buzz word is "BOLD" it seems-Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 12:31 PM

, Sun

Linda, it is too early to conclude much of anything.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 12:39 PM

Thanks for the mental diagnosis, Andy. I am more than sure you know EVERYTHING there is to know about when it is time to judge and what is the proper "yardstick" to use from your excellent perspective in France- Still waiting for your "fair evaluation" just like I waited for your list of countries who attempt to educate all youth using the same standards for 12+ years and do so successfully. This time I won't hold my breath-last time I thought you just might know- Linda

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 12:55 PM

And a happy St. David's Day to you!

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 1:01 PM

1. As I recall, the tax based on miles driven was floated by the Republican that Obama selected to be the Secretary of Transportation and was immediately rejected by Obama, himself. Depending on the details of such a tax, I could support it, but it is not on the agenda.

2. Did I miss some proposed change in the federal tax code? Who has suggested eliminating the home mortgage deduction? Itemized deductions have already been limited for years for people with high incomes.

3. I see, if the U.S. is in debt, people will start eating leaves. Well..... actually, I don't see.

4. The e-mail to which you refer was never funny, except, perhaps, in the bankhanded sense that you might laugh because you would wonder what kind of person would find it amusing.

5. Jank, I didn't realize that visiting music teachers in Texas were so generously compensated that their taxes will go up under any tax plans Obama has announced.



maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.3 - Posts: 2671)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 1:03 PM

Great Ad Hominem argument!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 1:16 PM

TSK, I respect what you say so will ask you. Will not the costs added by taxes on small business and the moves of the "Green'" folks be passed on to the consumer in essence giving them increased cost that the $10-$15 increase in weekly pay won't make up for? What about Sweden and Saab? When do we quit pouring money down the drain like in Detroit and banks liked Citigroup. Could be wrong but don't believe even Geithner, genius that he is, has figured out how to value the toxic assets-bad mortgages to folks who could not afford them. I really am looking for answers not just say give things a chance to work. At the pace he is moving, things are getting done before anyone knows what hit them-thanks in advance- Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 1:49 PM

It just seems logical to me after one gets beyond the outrageous behavior of many on Wall Street, that the investor who IS the vast majority of Wall Street would not have the incentive to invest if in 2001 his tax cuts will expire. It also seems following that logic if it is logic that American investment would decline. It also seems to me that if I were the typical "Stereotypical" rich fat cat, I would be looking for some other place to put my money and I certainly would not make large charitable donations as in recent years seems that has become all about being " Tax Deductible". From what i am understanding is that the Market looks ahead and does not like uncertainty-huge plunge since Obama got elected - Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 3:33 PM

I don't know, Linda.

I think it's too early to judge, but you may think differently.

I just ask you to be fair. You don't have to respect that either, but I may call you on it. OK?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 5:35 PM

Tsk, you sound...I don't know....could it be....bigoted against Texas music teachers? Could I almost see you snarl when you typed that.....

lettermanfan1
Lettermanfan1  (Level: 88.3 - Posts: 486)
Sun, 1st Mar '09 5:57 PM

Wow. Now I remember why I stopped reading here about a month ago. It takes my grandkids 10 minutes or less to make a total mess of my house. It takes me about an hour to pick it up. Sooo, using the same time ratio, it will take 48 years to clean up the mess of the last 8. I'm out.
Leah


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