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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 3:53 PM

KNIGHTHOOD

I get it now. All you have to do is get drunk at a party and drive your car off of a bridge and leave a girl inside it while you figure out your plan, and the British will make you Knight. Linda

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 3:56 PM

I think you have to have a whole lot of money too.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 4:01 PM

Yes, that definitely helps in all things and the NAME doesn't hurt you a bit either- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 4:01 PM

Linda, I knew that would bug you.

He has been a fine Senator, but Knighthood with such a blot on one's record does not sit well with me either.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 4:06 PM

Silly me, what would be considered "negligent homicide" for the average slob-becomes a "BLOT" ? Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 4:09 PM

"such a blot," Linda

Like very significant

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 4:10 PM

BTW I just lost a lot of respect for the Queen.

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 6:13 PM

Andy,

I am sure if were down to the Queen, he wouldn't have got one. The Queen is presented with a list for honours but she doesn't select them unfortunately!

"Honours are split into classes ("orders") and are graded to distinguish different degrees of achievement or service. There are no criteria to determine these levels; various honours committees meet to discuss the candidates and decide which ones deserve which type of award and at what level. Since their decisions are inevitably subjective, the twice-yearly honours lists often provoke criticism from those who feel strongly about particular cases. Candidates are identified by public or private bodies, by government departments or are nominated by members of the public. Depending on their roles, those people selected by committee are submitted either to the Prime Minister, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, or Secretary of State for Defence for their approval before being sent to the Sovereign for final approval. Certain honours are awarded solely at the Sovereign's discretion, such as the Order of the Garter, the Order of the Thistle, the Order of Merit and the Royal Family Order."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honours_list

Karen

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 6:40 PM

Suppose there is a logic but in my book it SUCKS as I am sure it does to relatives of that girl who drowned way back when as he swam away. Linda

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5887)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 6:51 PM

Knighthoods are bestowed by Queen Elizabeth II, but recipients are selected by the government or an advisory committee.

BUT it is still a tragedy in my books. What an idiot he is. I am sorry that he is dying from cancer but that does not make him an any better man.


fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 7:14 PM

WTH?! Article 1 , Section 9 of the US Constitution says, "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State."

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 7:40 PM

Honorary knighthoods are nothing new. Eisenhower got one. So did J Edgar Hoover, and if he's worthy...

Ted Kennedy made a terrible mistake that night but I wasn't there, and none of us will ever know what he may have paid for it, or the degree and sincerity of his remorse. Cost him the presidency probably, and since then he's spent his life in distinguished service to the nation. I honor that service, and clearly so do the Brits.

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 7:51 PM

Amen, Donna. The old adage, "The evil men do lives after them but the good is oft interred with their bones" holds so true here. I remember that terrible event and I remember his many, many years of selfless service. Whatever advantages he gained as a Senator were immaterial since he already has more money than God, so he ended up doing what he saw as the right thing most of the time, day after day, year after year. Now, he's facing death with grace and dignity and has more than earned the respect and gratitude of many, many people. I don't begrudge it to him for a second.
Diane

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 7:56 PM

I, on the other hand, think he should have gone to prison, and should never have been allowed to serve in any capacity in the government after that. I've never understood why Massachusetts kept electing him.

If any of us had done that, we certainly would have not lived the life he has and is living. We would be shamed, condemned, and looked down on the rest of our lives.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:02 PM

Whatever happened to the "Judge not lest ye be judged" thing?

And also "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord."

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6645)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:06 PM

Its nice we are back into the civil interchange of views we all love so much in sploofus isnt it?

My two-pennyworth; his service as a senator overrides his earlier issues. That doesn't mean to say he is worth a knighthood...but if there were a 'dead pool' I'd be purchasing his name in it. For example PG Wodehouse and Bob Hope both got titles shortly before they died.

Barry

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:07 PM

Wow! How Christian of you. I take it you were there and KNOW all the particulars of what happened. I wasn't, so I am not so willing to pass judgment. It surely could have been handled better, and may well have resulted in criminal action. But the truth is never going to be known, much like the way Dick Cheney was hid until he allegedly (I said allegedly) sobered up after shooting that ol' buddy of his in the face. Ted has never been a favorite of mine, I doubt I would have ever voted for him, but I wouldn't convict him of "crimes" to which I have no personal knowledge. Again, Wow!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:18 PM

I just KNEW this too would somehow in a backhanded way be all the fault of BUSH. Gesus, any ordinary, person without the money or the name would have at least spent one night in jail. Still SUCKS and no amount of public service even if you think it was great-makes up for that act of cowardice. No, we were not there but that still misses the point. If he had not had the Kennedy name the public would have been allowed to form an opinion via some sort of trial. Sorry, don't believe he has indulged in self agony nor regret much as believe most powerful people just are thankful that they are just that and their a-- has been saved yet again- SUCKS!! Linda

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:23 PM

I'm sorry Jank, but I too find this so unchristian. You have decided he is guilty beyond hope. You seem to be saying there is no possibility of rehabilitation for anyone? No way a criminal can make up for his/her crimes and gain forgiveness?

Why do so many Christians believe in capital punishment? Seems part of the same attitude. I don't get it.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:24 PM

Steve, you tried comparing apples and oranges

and it didn't work.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:27 PM

BTW never been accused of showing Christian charity so quote Biblical Verse until you turn blue-doesn't make wrong right- Linda

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:41 PM

I don't think Tuz was comparing fruits, I think he was saying that we don't always know what happens in other peoples' lives or how they feel about it, and we shouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn.

How do you judge another person's pain or misery? Kennedy's life is massive tragedy from end to end; money isn't everything. He lost all three of his brothers, had his own problems with addictions and failed marriage. For all we know he's offered prayers and lit candles for Mary Jo every day since she died.

I'm willing to believe Cheney was sober when he shot his friend. Don't care. Pretty sure Teddy was NOT sober, but I don't care about that either. He made a tragic mistake. I believe he has suffered remorse. I'm not mad at him for being privileged. We get what we get.

He gets an honorary knighthood. It won't stop cancer. What good are you afraid it will do him?

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:48 PM

"Brown said Kennedy had helped bring peace to Northern Ireland, expand health care for Americans and improve access to education for children around the world."

Works for me.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:50 PM

It won't do him a bit of good any more than the candles did the girl-sorry Mom-the point is it degrades the Honor of Knighthood. The Kennedys are a tragic family tragedy. But if one believes in any kind of Prophecy-which I don't you could argue their wealth was founded on the corruption of Bootlegging. No, it doesn't hurt me personally a bit that he is a Knight maybe it should be something the British bestow willy nilly on anyone who is approaching death-it could not be any more meaningless than it is now to me - Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:51 PM

Senator Kennedy is responsible for the death of a girl. He was not even given a trial.

This is not a question of Christianity. It is the law of the land. The law of the land judges every day. What happened with the "separation of church and state" that is used when it works for your side? Christianity doesn't have the right to "forgive" Mr. Kennedy. The law has the right to judge him.

Christianity does not have the right to "forgive" or "excuse" anyone who breaks any law. They truly are separated from enforcement of the law.

God may forgive a murderer. But the murderer is not forgiven by the law of the land and must still do his/her time and punishment as the law judges.

Christianity does not excuse negligence that results in the death of another. And "judge not" in the Bible means we do not have the right to judge another's salvation. But the law of Israel was set up to judge its own people. There is an entire book in the Bible called "Judges."

I don't understand why your hate of Christianity causes you to accept someone who negligently killed a girl, to turn on me for wanting the law of our country followed, whether a person is rich and powerful, or just your average negligent killer.

After a trial, if Mr. Kennedy received time in prison, he could still have served his state and its people in many ways - just not by holding a government position.

I said prison, I didn't say life in prison or execution.

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 8:54 PM

Ah, two things. "He wasn't given a trial". So why is he guilty?

I don't hate Christianity. I am one.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 9:01 PM

Although I don't get into the whole religious retribution thing. My point was exactly that he did not stand trial nor even one night in jail although he did not report anything until the following day-girl obviously spent the night under water. If he had not been rich and a Kennedy people would have at least had a chance to judge-you know 12 peer thing-that in itself is laughable-but you are correct he was never found guilty as he never was brought to trial or faced any charges dismissed or otherwise- Linda

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 9:04 PM

I respect and admire the tenets of Christianity; when it's put into practice it's a beautiful thing and I number many devout Christians among my closest and dearest friends. I don't have a hate of Christianity, just a low tolerance for hypocrisy and self-righteousness. You should stop making the giant leaps to absurd conclusions, you could hurt somebody.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 9:06 PM

Well, I can understand your point. I AM the only one in America who believes as I do that he should have gone to prison. It's a lonely road I walk.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 9:14 PM

I don't think the majority give a rat's patootie that Teddy Kennedy got an honorary knighthood.

I'm astounded at how much these ceremonial froofroos mean to ... well, anyone.

bokeelia
Bokeelia  (Level: 188.1 - Posts: 114)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 9:23 PM

I/m reminded of the add which showed a floating VW Beetle with the caption." If Ted Kennedy drove a VW he'd be president" I think it was in Mad Magazine, not sure though.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 10:08 PM

Linda. None of what I said was directed at you. So don't think it was.

Bush??? How did Bush get into this. The ONLY mention of Bush in the whole thread was made by you.

Andy??? Apples and oranges. Make yourself some sangria with a nice rioja. The correlation was sound. One rich guy, who is probably guilty of something that should have ended up in court, got off, mostly on his name and family fortune. Another extremely rich guy shoots someone in the face and has everyone including the press dong backflips trying to explain why it was okay...especially since the guy survived. BTW, the Bush family is just as rich as the Kennedy family, so that whole they are rich, so they got off argument in specious, at best.

'Senator Kennedy is responsible...'
Jank. I pray to God that I, or no one I know, ever sits in a courtroom where you are on the jury.
Your version of judging must come from a very narrow, single reference. There is much more about it that you indicate. Without getting into a tedious debate, I suggest you read something like; http://www.capalert.com/judgenot.htm
At the end of the day, I believe in a loving, forgiving God, not the mean spirited one you conjured with your assertions. But that is your right to believe as you do. Please don't judge me or my religion based on your version of morality.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 10:29 PM

Well, if by mean spirited you mean that I would judge according to the law of the land, then I stand guilty as charged. I thought that's what jurists are sworn to do. I don't understand the twisting of the law to attack me personally for my Christian beliefs. Those beliefs are the same as most Christians. Christians answer to the same laws as non-Christians. When Christians break the law, non-Christians flock in like vultures to pick their bones clean. Christians deserve no more or no less judgment. Jesus was very plain that Christians are still under the law of the country where they live, though forgiven by Him.

Why such compassion for somebody who actually did something wrong?

Leniency is for the sentencing phase - not the determination of guilt or innocence.

I wish you didn't waste your compassion on the wrong person. True compassion is deserved by Mary Jo's family.

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 10:42 PM

The law of the land is that you are innocent until proven guilty. If you believe that, nothing else you argue is pertinent.

Nor any of the other judgments you make.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 10:43 PM

Where are these non-Christians flocking to pick bones? Missed that.

I don't get the Christian angle here at all, except that not much so-called Christian charity is beeng shown to Senator Kennedy, who is also a Christian by the way, and according to the version HE believes, he has atoned and been forgiven for whatever wrong he's done.

That was what I meant by the candles - not that the candles would bring the girl back of course, but that such behavior if it occurred would indicate the sincerity of his remorse.

As for the law, a 2-day session of a grand jury declined to issue an indictment. Maybe they felt there was insufficient evidence of crime.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 10:59 PM

And:
Court proceedings
On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. Kennedy's attorneys suggested that any jail sentence should be suspended, and the prosecutors agreed to this, citing Kennedy's age, character and prior reputation. Judge James Boyle sentenced Kennedy to two months incarceration, the statutory minimum for the offense, which he suspended. In announcing the sentence, Boyle referred to Kennedy's "unblemished record" and said that he "has already been, and will continue to be punished far beyond anything this court can impose".

That's what the law did. And then he went on to a long and distinguished career in the Senate. Guess your real argument is with the law and the voters of Massachusetts.



allena
Allena  (Level: 256.0 - Posts: 1393)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 11:18 PM

Diane’s point is so valid. Here are some points to ponder.
Ted ran against the son of the Democratic Speaker of the House on the slogan,”he can do more for Massachusetts”. (Jack was President)

I introduce him (age 29) at an MIT debate and he had been drinking at 2:00 PM.
He drank a lot until his new wife (he bought an annulment) got him to stop.

Mary Jo Kopeckny died while he swam to a motel. He was not tried because of influence.
Ted is considered to have sponsored many pieces of liberal legislation.

The British need American support and have a President that thinks a Churchill Statue does not belong in the Oval office while he does think 900 million dollars is needed by Hamas!


lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 1684)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 11:27 PM

Just reading through posts. No need to comment here except to say I'm confused. Who's Diane?

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 11:30 PM

Group hug, anyone?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 11:43 PM

(I think he meant Donna)

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 11:51 PM

The truth is, none of us knows what happened for sure. We each have our idea of what happened. The facts, as we know them, are pretty damaging.

Don't worry because he was not tried and sentenced. If you believe in God, a Higher Power, etc., he WILL have his trial and sentencing by the only one who CAN pronounce judgment on him if he is guilty.

Therefore, what we think or believe does not matter nor is it our job to do God's job for him. (That's our job only when it comes to a court hearing before a jury of a person's peers.").

Or, as my grandmother used to say, "He'll get his due comeuppance in the end."

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Wed, 4th Mar '09 11:52 PM

Me.
Diane

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 12:03 AM

Sorry Diane. I couldn't find your name!

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 1684)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 12:26 AM

Now I see you. Reading too fast and forgot who had posted. Sorry Diane, going to bed before I don't and wished I had. Sent you a PM.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:19 AM

Smoke My reference to Bush was in reply to Steve's reference to Cheney-implication surely there that a grievous wrong was overlooked there.-seems that is an irresistible impulse for many these days If I hear one more time that this Administration "Inherited" something from the prior administration or that the absurdity of the Omnibus ( as I pointed out in a prior thread PORK abundant from both parties including pork from then Senator Obama) will be signed because this President is cleaning up old business, I will VOMIT. We are all quite clear now that BUSH left a huge debt so when does that give anyone license to pour on MORE + Trillions.You folks who are so good will slogans and adages surely know the "two wrongs don't make a right thing" Give him the damn title as it will be as meaningless to many like myself as the many other things he has bought in his life. Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:24 AM

No, Steve, a 1000 times no.

One was clearly an accident.

In the other power and influence were summoned to avoid the prosecution of crimes.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:35 AM

BTW the Catholic Church that I grew up in would have excommunicated him more than once if he had been the average person but then we all know he has never been average. Even in the Catholic Church money and power can buy one an annulment so you can remarry and still stay and kneel for the Communion - Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:41 AM

I am confused to should have replied to Steve not Smoke. Steve you did manage to bring in Cheney whom we all "know" was the "EVIL" behind the 'EVIL" - Linda

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 5:21 AM

I'll refrain from commenting on Kennedy simply because there is nothing new to add.
I will say that knighthoods - honourary or otherwise - have become so devalued that they are worthless as a meritorious bestowal. Elton John has one for instance, largely for changing the words of a (rather mawkish in the first instance) song to reflect a certain part of the UK's public emotional outpourings. Writes a lovely tune does Elton, (not the words obviously) but doesn't contribute a whole lot to world peace. Lately Chris Hoy has one. For being very good at riding a bicycle at the Olympics. He hasn't retired, become ill or invented a bicycle-related cure for a disease; he's just very good at riding a bike.

Gordon Brown is just trying to steal some of the stellar new presidential limelight - a reasonable political machination that will most likely still result in him looking for a new job fairly soon. He's giving the biggest kid in the playground some candy in hope that he won't get beaten up at recess.

Interestingly the motto of the Order is 'For God and the Empire', making ol' Ted something of a traitor and showing how hopelessly out of touch the awards are in the first place.
Unless he's Darth Vader...

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 261.2 - Posts: 2770)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 5:34 AM

The institution remains fine in many/most cases.
But this was one of the worst decisions in a very long time.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 7:09 AM

The last couple of posts plus the one by Bok make the most sense to me Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 7:58 AM

I think Elton John may have been knighted for the HUGE amount of charity work he has done, not changing the words of a song.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 8:55 AM

So, Andy, you are saying that Cheney shot the guy on purpose. Then used his VP position to avoid be tested for alcohol, and to hide (2 days) until things blew over a bit. Finally, he used the time the law was not searching for him like they would anyone else who shot someone, and concocted and rehearsed a lock-stepped plan to pooh-pooh the entire incident. While, on the other hand, Kennedy getting drunk and driving, and then crashing into a pond resulting in the death of his girl friend was an accident, especially since being drunk, he was not in control of his faculties. Thus, like in the case of Laura Bush killing her classmate in a tragic auto accident, no charges were ever filed.

I am sure you wouldn't assert the reverse, that shooting some in the face is just a tee hee darned old thing of an accident that could happen to anyone. No reason to prosecute a person for that, especially since the guy lived. I have been hunting since I was old enough to carry a gun, and have never came close to shooting another person...why? I follow proper and common sense hunting practices, including always knowing where my partners are at ALL times, not shooting unless I can clearly see my target and what is behind it (the guy got shot at about 30-40 feet away), never drinking and hunting, etc.

No, they are much more the same than different. The biggest difference is Kennedy is a rich evil , L****** and Cheney is a rich conservative with the power of the conservative talk machine behind him, and against all L******s

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:28 AM

When I was young there were several accidents involving drinking & driving, injuries & death in my home town. None of the drivers were rich & all received less of a penalty than Kennedy. The attitude to DUI was different before the 80's & the sentence would, no doubt, be more severe now.

I was involved in a head-on collision when I was 19 & there were 2 fatalities, & even though it was not my fault in any way, nor was drinking involved, I still feel guilty. Unless Mr. Kennedy is a very heartless individual, I'm positive he's punished himself ever since.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:31 AM

Nobody is saying the obvious. A bunch of well-known married men were partying in a remote location with a bunch of single women, somewhere they had no business being, doing things they shouldn't do. That is the moral standpoint many people start from - he had no business being there in the first place. Neither did Mary Jo Kopechne, but she paid for her "sins" with her life, while he "got away with it" - no fair.

If it had been another man in the car that night this would've been a non-story from the get-go and forgotten long ago, but it's seen by some as typical Kennedy behavior, use women like tissues and walk away from the consequences. No doubt there's truth in that, it's the way many powerful men treated women in those days (some still do), but we'll never really know how much or how or even if it applies in this case. I always thought he peeled out down the dirt road because he'd seen another car and didn't want to be recognized with a girl in his car late at night at the beach. We don't know how he felt about the girl, we don't know if his behavior was more about protecting his image or his marriage or both or neither, we don't know what his mental state was during a horrific series of events. WE DON'T KNOW.

I think it's a damn shame he has to be retried by amateurs in the court of negative opinion every time his name comes up, even at death's door with his brain being eaten by malignant tumors. One would think that would satisfy the condemners, they could see it as divine justice, but some would prefer a good old-fashioned stoning.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 10:07 AM

The point is if you are rich and from famous heritage, you can afford and get different treatment under the law. Randy is also correct that drunk driving laws were different prior to the 80s. When Cheney or any of the Bush family gets Knighted then we will all be on the same page. Rich folks both liberal and conservative or if one has a case that will draw public attention from either side will probably get better representation and treatment under the law. Kennedy being Knighted should SUCK in anyone's book- Linda

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6645)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 11:04 AM

Ronald Reagan got a knighthood didnt he? Or was it Caspar Weinberger.

Remember these are honorary gestures. Nobody in England gives a rats rear-end about them; so you shouldnt either...

By the way; anybody think this whole debate has done anything for sploofus fellowship?
And who wrote the first message that started this and every one of the debates since January?
Yes I thought so....

Barry

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 11:12 AM

Are you attempting to censor what I post yet again, Barry? Told you many times I pay my money and will post what I please and post it in the way I chose-again you and anyone else is free to skip my posts. If memory serves me it was your initial objection to one of my posts that lead to two subsequent threads where I made an apology and thentthe back biting unpleasantness thread. Just skip my posts BARRY until you own the site and can dictate what belongs here- Linda

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 11:50 AM

Tone, people! TONE!

Sheesh.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6645)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 11:55 AM

Was it something I said?



I'm not trying to censor you Linda; nothing I say will make any difference to anything you want to do. Free speech and all. I just wonder whether you put two and two together and notice that every one of your 'I just wonder' posts leads to nastiness and unpleasantness; not that you're responsible for the nastiness. But you facilitate it. Are you happy with that?

I love your posts of the day; they all lead to sweetness and light. A good deed in a naughty world....

Barry

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 12:01 PM

Glad to hear that, Barry, It makes a world of difference to me that you are not attempting to sort out what sets the proper tone here- Linda

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 2:45 PM

I wasn't going to join this thread but the more I think about this bloated, obnoxious boozehound getting honorary Knighthood make me want to puke. All the years this over-rated buffoon has been in office he has accomplished very little. Sorta like nominating Kim Jong-iI for the Nobel.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 2:54 PM

LOL FINALLY a man who speaks the truth- Linda

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5887)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 2:56 PM



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:01 PM

That's what I like so much about Don-never seem to miss his point- LOL- Linda

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.5 - Posts: 2671)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:09 PM

Speaks the truth = Agrees with me.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:19 PM

Kinda like Garrybl = Maurlin-gotcha LOL Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:25 PM

Amended: Garrybl's opinion=Maurlin's opinion

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:46 PM

As long as we're choosing up sides, I want to go with the pot-smokin,
kennedy-lovin, bribe-takin, mortgage-forsaken, profanity-spoken,
no-tax-payin, euphemism-makin, scotch-whisky-drinkin, blonde-lovin,
foreign-car-drivin, shoot-em-in-the-face and save-the-whalers.

I'll be right at home.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:56 PM

Well, I guess I'm in the middle here.

Now that I have learned that the Queen doesn't decide these things, the knighthood just looks like a way for Gordon Brown to suck up to Obama.

I think Teddy has been a good Senator, but he skirted the law bigtime where most of us would have suffered the consequences.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.5 - Posts: 2671)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 3:58 PM

Let me see if I have this right:

If agrees with L/H/C then free speech, thinks clearly and brilliantly, has a valid opinion and a perfectly valid right to repeat and repeat it ad nauseum.

If does not agree, then parroting anyone else who disagrees, is not exercising free speech and must be attacked personally rather than responding to the issue raised.

Got it. Ain't free speech great!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:11 PM

Talk about NAUSEAM!!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:13 PM

Said before don't want anyone to become ill from reading my posts-solution-DON'T READ THEM!!!

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:17 PM

Do I have enough corners in the room to put you all in time out!???

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.5 - Posts: 2671)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:19 PM

UNFORTUNATELY it's tough finding one that you didn't start.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 4:41 PM

Started 3 threads today-the "positive" one had a few replies but folks just didn't seem able to resist the "outrageous" Knighthood one-including those who say my posts are negative, site damaging and make them ill-quite clear who begins the post -wonder why-Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 5:07 PM

Help me out, I looked, I really wanted to read your positive post, what were they other than player of the day?

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 6:33 PM

Hey! What's wrong with negative anyway? These are tough times right now. What are we supposed to do, congratulate the tax-dodging clowns in Washington for all the 'great" things they are doing for us. The self-serving jerks depend on all the "bright side" advocates to continue their worthless agendas. We have an economy that is about ready to tank and we are supposed to be thankful???? What we need are more a$$ kickers and a lot less complacency. Washington & Wall street both need a wake-up call. And I need a beer.

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 202.2 - Posts: 1190)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 7:25 PM

Speaking of beer, the Kennedys have seen more hard times than any other family in the public eye to be sure, but I am among the bewildered in this particular appointment of Ted. It doesn't make me feel any better that the Queen has no say in the Knight appts., heck what's it worth anyhow if it's just the whim of some PM? I'd rather it be the whim of a scion of some successive dynasty. Ted Kennedy helping to bring peace to NI? His sister Jean had a bigger role than he so what's up with that?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 7:27 PM

I got lost at Steve's "L******s". I don't even know what that stands for...

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 8:12 PM

liberals

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 8:24 PM

Boy oh boy. Sure glad I read the SD. Wouldn't have wanted to miss this important news item.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 8:44 PM

Just curious as to how the children from his first marriage would be classified since he had the money to have that marriage annulled. Most likely neither he nor the Church thought that a matter of any consequence. Seems that there is a bit of a rift between Rome and the New Catholics in the US- a distinction Nancy is able to make from her liberal view. Said before I no longer attend Mass but am not a hypocrite either- when my actions and my beliefs did not coincide with Church Doctrine, I left- Linda

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:00 PM

Oh, god, are we going to talk about the hypocrisy of the catholic church now? New thread annointed with holy water needed.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:17 PM

LOL No, Sandy, I was just pointing out the difference between going to Mass and believing in the ideology of the Catholic Church-Smoke's post that his faith had lead him to believe he had atoned for any wrong. That is really cheap therapy if you can buy it but believe from his future actions he was just glad he had the name and the money to save his a-- and lo and behold become a Knight- wonderful-Linda

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:20 PM

he ain't no truckin' knight. What a stupid title in this day and age. (tks Sun)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:23 PM

BTW have nothing against the Catholic Church -lots of good folks there. It does have its share of hypocrites but believe that is most likely true of all churches or religions-Linda

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:24 PM

He doesn't get a horse and shining armor or a fair maiden out of the deal, you know. It's three letters after his name that he'd probably be embarrassed to use and a trinket in a velvet box he can put on the mantel. I'm sorry it upsets you so.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:37 PM

You can call him Sir Kennedy until you turn Blue, Smoke, and it won't upset me a bit- LOL - Linda

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 9:43 PM

You got the wrong lady, hon. I don't call anybody sir.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6645)
Thu, 5th Mar '09 10:59 PM

I dont think he CAN call himself Sir.
I think honorary knighthoods dont let you -- unless you become a British Citizen and even if you dislike him he's not THAT bad...

Barry

1) I'm not sure of my facts
2) I'm still a brit cit

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 6th Mar '09 12:38 AM

Please don't knock the Catholics. Very fine people. I'm married to one - a saint. Nuff said.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Fri, 6th Mar '09 3:26 AM

So sorry, Andy, if you read further you will see I said there were good folks there and DUH... I was one for a very long time..Linda


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