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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 4:09 PM

TAX INCREASES

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/11/AR2009031103827.html?hpid=moreheadlines This health care thing has to be funded some way. Increasing taxes only on the wealthy will not be enough and some of the lawmakers are raising opposition. Seems like working folks or retirees say from the Big 3 might want to keep an eye on the taxing of health benefits. Don't pretend to know but do know the numbers the President is putting out there on income vs outgo don't add up and I was never good in math Linda

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6641)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:06 PM

Re posting on subjects one admits not to knowing about.
Something I'm prone to.

Remind me what was it Lincoln said? Something like:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:11 PM

Oh, Obama has already claimed a huge, phony expense savings.

He has taken credit for not continuing the surge in Iraq for 10 more years. Of course, the surge was never going to continue another 10 years. The Bush admin had already negotiated a 2011 ending of our involvement there.

Still waiting for the new politics.

Cuz this is the old doubletalk.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:25 PM

Barry, please DO NOT read my posts. You have resorted to calling me plain nasty and now a fool I have a few choice descriptions of you but I am not among the "select few' and my account and at best my post would be deleted if I said them. You have chastised me both privately and publicly for posting what YOU believe does not belong here. You are NOT going to censor what I post as don't give a d--- about your opinion either public or private in its expression. I put things out there in the hopes that someone will think about issues and not be mesmerized by words in the form of campaign speeches read from a teleprompter. before you quote someone you might want to know at the time he said that he did not call himself a member of the party you chose-spare me the lecture about how the philosophies have flip-flopped over the years-know that. Actually, I have little faith in the words of any politician and put most of them about in the same category as I put you - Linda

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6641)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:40 PM

Linda

Post stupid comments? Expect them to be picked up on.

Barry

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:43 PM

You ontinue to amaze me-as troublking as my posts are tioo you you continue to read them. Here is just one example of obama when the telepropmpter failed-made Bush look like a genius!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:44 PM

Keep on posting Linda. It's easy to be rude if your hiding behind a keyboard. God Bless America and God Bless Our Troops.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 6:49 PM

Linda, his teleprompter didn't fail, HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.

Barry, lay off Linda, you're not going to change her mind. The woman actually used "Bush" and "genius" in the same sentence, that should indicate how far gone she is.

HRH...Me.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:07 PM

Either way he sounded like a bigger fool than Barry thinks I am. I don't pretend to know everything about governing nor tell others that they should blindly follow my lead for the "greater good". Rather than saying it proved how far gone i was to use bush and genius in the same sentence you might want to look at how clueless Obama sounded even in comparison with Bush- BTW Like people who offer an opinion or an option not just criticize others. Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:10 PM

I think that O'Bozo has proven that he more than just sounds clueless. Change? LMAO @ the voters, weeping for our Nation.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:12 PM


chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:14 PM


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:16 PM

Scary thing-Bush is gone but he is still here....

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:19 PM

Funny Stuff. It could be worse. We could have some smooth talkin' a**hole giving away taxpayer dollars.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:21 PM

Just would like to note that Barry by not simply ignoring what he thought a meaningless stupid post has caused a thread to take on a whole new life of its own-habit of yours, Barry???

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 7:37 PM

Point....missed Linda. Feel free to keep posting, I for one, certainly get endless hours of enjoyment.

But your constant need to fill up the BBS with BS and the same damn post (except for different titles and references) DAILY is grinding. You have to admit that you are incredibly slanted, and the constant bashing is getting really old VERY FAST.

Just a suggestion, why don't you just start ONE post, title it "I HATE OBAMA" and then just keep adding to it daily. I am beginning to despise sorting through all of this to get to posts that I want to see, not just the constant barrage of your "spin" on things.

Oh, and give me a break about "If I don't like it, I don't have to read it" bologna, You continue to post the same crap multiple times daily. I keep hoping you have something to say at some point, that is not related to the end of the world as we know it (I feel fine).

HRH...Me.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:12 PM

Zeus protect our Troops.

Nothing else. Just interjecting for no good reason.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:12 PM

Chick, I STARTED three posts from this early am-one being the Player of the Day. I reply to what I choose as I post what I choose. Other than a couple of folks this site has been predominately Pro Obama - among the more vocal- since the campaign. Posts that don't start out as political some people try to get in a political jab. A few people like TSK and Jank give a definite opinion on something- whether I agree or not-while other seem to get pleasure from simply disagreeing or denigrating the views of others Prior to the "selective deletions" in the political threads had no real interest in them. If the tone or the content of this site needs to change then Justin needs to show up and STAY and change it otherwise I say pretty much the same thing to you as I said to BARRY-do NOT try to censor me as I care no more about your opinion of my posts than I do his- Linda

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:14 PM

Hungry....I have a hankering for a RED HERRING.

Me.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:16 PM

That should have been started three threads not posts either way did not overwhelm Salty Dog -Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:24 PM

Believe my post was directly to the point whether either you or Barry or anyone else likes it or not-will post what I choose when I choose whether you or anyone else perceives a "slant"- Linda

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:38 PM

So...if you start two political posts per day, that equals 60 per month, over 700 per year. AGAIN, start one that is titled "I hate Obama" and keep adding to it. OVERKILL, my dear.

And yes, during the elections things got heated and there were things said that were both relevant and timely. But, in this case, constantly posting everything Obama does is not only insanely boring, but mind numbing as well. Sploofus was around FAR before Bush became elected and I do believe you'd be hard pressed to find a Sploofuser that posted 2X per day about what a raving idiot he was. I could be wrong, but sumpin tells me I'm right.

HRH...Me.

winddancer41
Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:55 PM

I don't usually get in on these type of threads because i was taught that everyone can believe they way choose, but i do read them some times just for laughs. But i
really wish you two would just agree to disagree and get it over with because if you haven't figured it out yet you aren't either one going to win. JUst my feeling now on with your fighting. charlotte

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 8:56 PM

HRH

Be fair. Those videos of Bush were all made when he had a drinking problem--wern't they????

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 9:01 PM

What Chick said.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 9:07 PM

You are, of course, ALWAYS correct, Chick IYHO LoL Linda-night now- rant away. I will be here tomorrow again posting PRECISELY anything and everything I chose..

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 12th Mar '09 10:22 PM

And I will be here to keep the BS off the BBS...or at LEAST divert the BS...

Me.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 2:28 AM

And I'll be here and still love ya both

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 5:10 AM

Actually, Linda, I have hardly seen any pro-Obama posts here - probably because he is off to such a rocky start.

I, for one, hope he gets it in gear because I have confidence in his great ability and potential.

At the same time I will continue to note his lapses and broken promises.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 6:01 AM

Good point. All those who sang O'Buma's praises here have resorted to kicking up grass over their poop by still slamming the last administration. I guess the best defense is to be offensive. God Bless Our Troops.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 6:50 AM

Play to your strength, Felix.

Baal protect our troops.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 12:12 PM

You should know Felix!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 6:01 PM

I do know Felix. he's a great guy.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 6:08 PM

YES, he certainly is!!!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 6:18 PM

Psst! Linda. Regarding the other thread: I don't think she gets it.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 7:00 PM

Ah, commas, who needs 'em? Hey, you talkin' about me?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Fri, 13th Mar '09 7:15 PM

No, I don;'t believe Felix was talking about you, Sandy-am sending you a pm love ya-Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 7:14 AM

Sandy wishes that I would talk about her.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 7:48 AM

you wish

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 5:14 PM

Anyone with the slightest degree of realism would know that the state of the mess we had on January 20 was hardly one that could be stopped and turned around on a dime just like that, no matter who was in the Oval Office. I think most Americans are waiting for the fruits of these efforts, and know that it will take months at the minimum before they truly begin to show, for better or worse. It's only the goebbling of the far right that's claiming judgement on these policies already, and most of us know not to pay heed to such rash and/or politically motivated judgments.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 5:41 PM

The guy claimed to have all the answers. Many sang his praises. So you are saying that he lied? He said vote for positive change. maybe he should get off of the TV, shut his pie hole and go to work doing the things he run his jaw about. Their were no surprises (to him) to impede him from following thru with all the BS he spewed last year. This is what the majority of people voted for? God Bless America (except for Foogs).

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 5:44 PM

Just who were the lawmakers for the past few years, Ken ?-believe there was a Senator Obama who voted for that first TARP mess. Bush was a mess but the people in DC who had to vote for things are as responsible as he is-enough of the "inherited" or I will VOMIT. The Pelosis, Reids, Franks, Rangles, and all the Republicans who have also been around since dirt was invented are equally responsible. Bush was guilty of taking more power to the Presidency so he could handle the War and the people involved the way he wanted to handle it. Did he have good reason-don't know any more than I know if it was justified. Things are what the are and believe it was Obama who said there would be no more of the "BLAME Game". They have all done it going way back and he is once more showing that he is not about changing the DC politics as usual-lot of them corrupt., Do know Geithner the Great" had better come up with a few more specifics and really soon-equally vague in the global thing this weekend- perhaps he needs a teleprompter to at least sound like he knows.. He is the one who is SUPPOSED to be the genius and SUPPOSED to know-was that him standing right behind Paulson??? I had made up my mind not to start a political thread today but you just had to get the Bush bash in so count me in or out whichever- Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 5:49 PM

Isn't funny that the folks with all the answer solution to everything is to bash Bush. The only change that I have seen is more folks one the street asking for (spare) change. Will some of the folks that were so vocal stand up and explain how pork barrel spending will change anything? Speaking of pork in Washington, what happened to Monica?

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 5:57 PM

Excuse me, Linda and Felix, but where in the previous post did I blame any person, any group of people, any party or parties, any branch or branches of government, any businesses or industries, or any combination of them for the state of affairs Obama inherited? Go ahead and show me. Quit being robotic dittoheads, quit making up phony arguments, and respond, if you can, to the points I did make.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 6:16 PM

Why did you feel the need to say anything at all? Believe that is a huge part of the problem-lots of talk and no viable solution. You have much in common with other people here when you have no positives you name-call-guessing no know that is not the ONLY common denominator- Linda

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 6:29 PM

Look up in the thread before I posted today. Did I say anything? Anywhere? Nope.

Were there negatives above me? By the dozen.

I was just calling you and some others out on the flimsy arguments you were trying to make, in order that no reader would be so fooled as to take them for more than they were.

Typical tactic of those who have no leg to stand on: Attack the other guy for your own wrongdoing. Ain't gonna work here.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 6:41 PM

Actually, this thread took on a life of its own not at all related to my original post which I grant was most likely BS. Just odd that you would feel the need to imply the inherited thing like everyone else seems to be doing in every other sentence. If that is what you feel you need to do, by all means ONWARD and UPWARD LOL Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 9:36 PM

Who the heck was referring to you?

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 14th Mar '09 11:00 PM

Before it's too late:

Ilaya 'alal falaah

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 3:06 AM

Ken, After looking back over this thread believe the only negative thing I said prior to your post was how STUPID Obama sounds without his teleprompter which is not a flimsy argument about anything but absolute truth. Believe it was Chick who countered by posting the video showing how STUPID Bush looked. Although pointing out how bad Bush was sure seems like implying that no matter how bad Obama is and sounds, her is better than Bush but let that slide as I did the comment that Bush was most likely drunk when he made his comments. Using that LOGIC-what is Obama's excuse if he is not stupid nor drunk. Think most people would be more than willing to give things a bit of TIME.He's the one who keeps spending the billions and trying to multi -task when he has yet fixed finance. In case you haven't been paying attention the Chinese are now starting to at least express concern about loans to the US-know that could be political posturing but it is not without merit. Don't think anyone would say our financial thing is safe and sound. There is the option of simply printing more money-amazing survey out there showing how many people believe that The US Government does not take its money from the people but has "plenty of money of its own" There are lots of stupid[people out here too but don't count on the fact that everyone is...If you insist on keeping this political debate going, fine with me but don't know why you chose to post to this thread which started with a rather BS thing by me-start something of consequence and then we will see what "flies" and what doesn't Foogs why does it not surprise me that you teach at the college level?? Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 4:44 AM

I'm with Ken.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 7:24 AM

Good for you, Andy-Ken has a lot of power here on this site-past experience speaking- and besides that you have much in common-accuse someone of something without being specific about what they actually did- more than sure both of you can cut and paste .Believe Ken's statement was that either Felix or myself wanted him to clean up the "mess' he stepped into on a dime. -avoided the word inherited as that would have removed OBama from being any part of that mess which he most certainly was as Senator Obama. Can't speak for Felix but riight noiw I would be happy if he just stopped making it worse- Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 8:30 AM

Amen, Linda. The Clown Prince Of the Executive Office has only proven that he can apply gasoline to an open fire, to date. I am still looking for the change. For our country's sake I hope this buffoon can backup everything he promised. God Bless America.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 10:03 AM

Ken said it was too early to judge whether the measures being undertaken will get us out of the crisis. Those of you who are very negative already are jumping the gun.

I don't happen to believe that his dogmatic agenda will solve the crisis, but then it hasn't passed yet and opposition to those measures instead of those directed at the economic crisis is growing.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 10:21 AM

Point-in this particular thread not one person had judged Obama's approach or measures to solve anything prior to Ken's post. He felt the need to make a political statement which made about as much sense in this thread as the "CHUGGA-a CHUGGA" did as a refrain did in prior political "discussions' there was NO point top his posst on this threads other than the point I just made- Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 10:24 AM

If I am wrong, please copy and paste anything either Felix or I said about judging his policies before Ken's post. I said he came off as stupid minus the teleprompter and that is factual but in no way offers an opinion on what he says- Linda

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6641)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 10:34 AM

These are the subjective mean-sounding comments from this thread alone -- since you asked someone to post them here they are. It's all about tone. Why not be polite or at least neutral?

Whatever you think of Obama using inflammatory language (in my opinion) only weakens the merits of any argument posted and turns off those who are interested in civil debate.
That's all I want; civility.

Barry

Linda: 'you might want to look at how clueless Obama sounded even in comparison with Bush
he is once more showing that he is not about changing the DC politics as usual-lot of them corrupt.,
Geithner the Great"
He is the one who is SUPPOSED to be the genius'

Felix O'Bozo has proven that he more than just sounds clueless
All those who sang O'Buma's praises
all the BS he spewed last year


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 10:52 AM

LOL you need to talk to Splufusionist about "inference' and "tone" or better yet just delete everything I or anyone who disagrees with your political views or your "correctness" in tone when it comes to BUSH and 'incorrectness in tone when it comes to Obama. The deletion thing is not new as has been used before- Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 11:42 AM

You have to love it when a coward talks big from behind his keyboard. Rule of thumb greaseball: Don't say anything to me that your wouldn't be man enough to say to my face. I don't believe that I attacked you personally, but my job allow unrestricted travel. My question is when is the positive change going to start. you prove my point by slandering me instead of answering a simple question.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 11:56 AM

I've got a call in to Miss Cleo. Should have an answer within
the next few months.

Allah bless America (especially Felix).

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 12:03 PM

As I am almost positive that were your information comes from. You are on my prayer list. Get Well Soon.

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.1 - Posts: 1025)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 7:33 PM

"You have to love it when a coward talks big from behind his keyboard. Rule of thumb greaseball: Don't say anything to me that your wouldn't be man enough to say to my face. I don't believe that I attacked you personally, but my job allow unrestricted travel."

Felix, that sounds disturbingly like a threat. Are you free to fly around the country to confront people who displease you on this chat board?

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.1 - Posts: 1025)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 7:36 PM

May Pele spare the United States of America from active volcano activity, except on the Big Island where she belongs.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 7:41 PM

Peckerhead started the name calling. I will gladly see if he's man enough to back it up. He appears to be just a name caller.

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.1 - Posts: 1025)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 7:49 PM

Who are you talking about?

What does he have to do, in your view, to back "it" up, and what is "it"? I can't tell what you're talking about.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 7:53 PM

Try reading this thread. If you seek, you will find it. God Bless America.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 15th Mar '09 8:37 PM

As a newer addition to these threads I wish the kind of name-calling that appears above would cease.

I also wish a few of you would stop the electioneering. The election is over. The people have spoken.

We are all certainly capable of discussing the issues in a mature and constructive manner.






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