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collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:05 AM

PRESIDENT OBAMA

There has been an awful lot of nitpicking at the President this week, esp over his appearance on Jay Leno. I saw that interview last night, and it was excellent. Great questions from Jay and fine answers from Barack.

And the President spoke in depth about AIG, a company whose many businesses we cannot be without, totally compromised by a high risk financial division that lost billions. I'm not sure many people know that story yet.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:45 AM

I agree and enjoyed the interview as well.





mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 10:07 AM

I liked when he joked about the girls dog being a campaign promise.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 10:17 AM

I rather hesitate to respond to this one as listing his name as the topic puts people back in campaign mode which I truly think it is time to remove ourselves. I shudder to thing if your topic had been George Bush, John McCain, or Sarah Palin.-not overly fond of them either. Both Obama and Leno are articulate men . There has been much talk about "systemic risk" going back to the first bailout of AIG. Many good minds believe that much of the problem lies with the "too big to fail" mentality. I say good luck to him if he expects the public to stomach any more money to AIG as he has made them the epitome of "EVIL". Their employees are now being warned to travel in pairs and all the other stuff that goes with folks being stalked The most interesting point he made for me in the Leno interview was his emphasis on personal responsibility. Sure that was aimed at execs pay and bonuses but for me it meant the people being relieved of their responsibility to pay a mortgage that they contracted to pay-ignorant of the terms or not-and laying their responsibility on people like me. Personally think it very irresponsible of him to continue to push his massive budget which puts forth his social agenda in light of the independent numbers put out yesterday by the Congressional Budget Committee. Only a few options open to fund the deficit-moving the taxing to the lower bracket folks, print still more money, or borrow which currently the only viable lender appears to be China and they are a bit skittish

spacecat
Spacecat  (Level: 159.0 - Posts: 667)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 10:44 AM

I enjoyed the interview. Since he made a gaff in reference to the special Olympics and gave his bowling score one wonders which is higher his IQ or his bowling score. However contrary to his predecessor he recognized his mistake and apologized.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 11:08 AM

A Kennedy by marriage whom oversees the Special Olympics said his apology was sincere so all is well there. Expect soon to see Special Olympics folks at the White House for lunch or the like. That to me is the problem that people take their eyes off what is happening by being mesmerized by words. If you look at how AIG spent the billions and get beyond the outrage of the bonus -think a bit of a money laundering thing comes into focus. Funnel money to whomever you want and let AIG take the heat as everyone is outraged by the excesses of the execs. How about the government renegotiating contracts whic seems to me is a basic foundation of our country either by rewriting the terms or taxing selectively. Linda

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 11:21 AM

Do you think Obama used a cue-card to make all his jokes?
Would you rather he had appeared incompetent without one?
If he seems funny and intelligent when speaking naturally what effect does that have on the accusations that he can't speak withot one?
Or is it just one more global conspiracy?
Anxious minds await the next episode of 'Obama is a moron/crook because....'

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 11:45 AM

Fail to see that you have made a point on any issue, Barry which is not only your problem but his too. It is all about sounding good-the teleprompter makes everything he says at least to my ears sound scripted and insincere. Off the cuff is dangerous but he knew that before appearing on Leno-believe probably someone else writes Leno's material but he is an entertainer. Make a point on one of his policies-like the personal responsibility thing- not how articulate or charming he is-Linda

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:00 PM

Why does Spiro Agnew and "nattering nabobs of negativism" come to my mind?

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.8 - Posts: 754)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:20 PM

I enjoyed the interview, am blown away by the ruckus over his Special Olympics reference (I have an autistic son and heard the remark for what it was, took no offense), and am so glad to see such a relaxed, personable president who is able to explain the economic situation in such lucid terms.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:29 PM

Carol, I agree he is personable but he explained nothing. His Special Olympics thing has taken the focus off of that-probably this wasn't the place to make offer a serious solution to the economy and he didn't-he entertained as he is so very good at doing. MR. BO how far back are you going to go to make your point? If you have a point other than you hate any Republican past and present and anything they ever said and did, I missed it. Linda

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:31 PM

Just wondering, is there a cure for diarrhea of the keyboard?

Me.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:32 PM

His special olympics reference made news over here in England. Most of england think nothing of it though, it is the media that looks to create a fire from little twigs

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:35 PM

Linda,
It wasn't directed at any Republican. It was directed toward you and your negative attitude!

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:37 PM

Yes chick there is, wet wipes, works for me everytime

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 12:52 PM

WOW another person who doesn't like what I say so gets it right down to up-close and personal-like that in a person- LOL Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:07 PM

I saw most of the interview, except the Special Olympics thing, which I watched later -- I found him likable, personable and human, which is probably why Caramel can't stand him. Of course he was entertaining, it was Leno, not Meet the Press. I like that he that he went on Leno, and I hope he continues to do so in the future.
And Caramel, I would be careful about accusing others of getting personal -- you have gotten nasty and mean, more than anyone else on here.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:09 PM

Pennwoman was right the same people talk on these political threads all the time. Bla Bla Bla. I haven't heard anything but negativity for 2 days. I thought I was supposed to be negative. It was a talk show slash variety show he was not supposed to be so serious. Please there is more than just the AIG thing going on. What about Iraq and Afghanistan. What about New Guinea and Uranus. Oh did I say your Anus. "My Bad" Bobo

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:21 PM

The Special Olympics comment was way out of line. The rest of the interview, while entertaining, came across to me as just more pandering. I hope he starts the positive change soon because we are stuck with him for 4 years.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:24 PM

Yup on a positive note he is a slick and as charming as any "snake oil salesman" I have ever heard about-waiting for the list of more of the positive changes-maybe he should stick to entertainment that is what he does best LOL-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:33 PM

Bobilcious, the political threads are pretty much all about the "blah blah blah" which many of us find interesting and if you don't and have no point to make in the "blah blah blah" threads-skip them as they are not against any rule here and far from consume the BBS- by all means submit a support ticket and see how that goes LOL Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:39 PM

Okay lets talk about Iraq-still troops there and will be for as long as they are needed. More troops to Afghanistan which most everyone agrees is an impossible place to fight. Lets talk about his video message to Iran which was made to fulfill another campaign promise. People who know the area think at best it is a mixed message-one cannot talk at the same time to the people and the leaders. Many believe it shows a sign of weakness on our part and will be used against us-whole different topic though-why don't you start a new thread? Very strong views on this one-Linda

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 1:55 PM

Some of these Salty Dogs not only highlight a problem with a "diarrhea of information" but it's the constipation of facts too.



Liked Davidf "wet wipes" remark by the way




caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 2:14 PM

By all means, Al, post the facts like the reduction in the number of actual jobs created being reduced by the union wage provision put into the stimulus thing - if any job that is run by the government actually gets in motion. The Attorney General of CT. has just said that AIG employees actually received far more in bonuses than the original number. That should increase the outrage, doncha think? Seems like additional money set to be released to AIG could have been stopped if not for the Dodd amendment. That amendment can be removed but will take bets on Obama letting that happen and that "MONSTER" being let fail and undergo the needed reorganization if possible-Linda

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 2:27 PM

A forced confrontation is like a rock near the shore. Visible and yet easily sailed around

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 2:28 PM

To chime back in, I found it both entertaining and informative.

And, hey, he's quite a wonderful guy. His wife and kids too.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 2:33 PM

My point. David. Thanks for making it. How many times must someone say "SKIP" topics you don't like. By now unless you are really new you can pretty well know that most of the threads I start, you won't like. I certainly skip threads that hold no interest for me-must say have missed a couple of good things doing that though-Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 5:32 PM

No, Barry

I doubt all of his humorous remarks were planned. He's pretty glib, and I would enjoy seeing more of him in lower key interviews like that.

He's exceptionally bright with oodles of talent. He easily could become the greatest President we've ever had.

I just hope he acts wisely regarding his agenda - like scale it back a little for the time being, get started on the major initiatives but not in ways that demand gobs of money.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 6:13 PM

Believe his stoking the outrage of the AIG- may cause any partnership of Wall Street and government "partnering" to save the banks which the public will view as another Wall Street bailout- may backfire in his face Whether the taxpayer backs the government in reducing the risks of buying these toxic assets off the banks the onus is on the taxpayer. Bernake solution to get around this will be to print STILL more money. He should have been called on that last week. It is inflationary-look at the price of gold. This whole bank fix thing depends on confidence and although the President is personally popular his programs are not particularly and Geithner has no confidence at all. If he doesn't back off on changing the social make-up of the US in record time think he will be judged the woirst president in US History-yes, including Bush- Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 2:42 PM

Obama has been in office for 2 seconds and you are already saying worse president? At least you admit Bush is one give you credit for that. Meanwhile none of these gaffs were allowed while he was in office. You are going to run out of hot air before his term in up if you blame him for EVERYTHING. Bobo

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 3:38 PM

2 Seconds? LMAO. The dude had all the answers so why the time limitations. I don't recall him campaigning with a specific date or time that his miracles would commence. Please answer this with any of the following so that we don't loose the theme of this thread:

It's Bush's fault
The Damn Economy
Well, Fannie and Freddie.............
They just swore Dumbo in yesterday or
Well maybe one lobbyist won't hurt

If you can't already see it............you won't see it at all.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 3:48 PM

I'm more with Bobo than with you two today.

However, this admin has already made so many enemies on Wall St and elsewhere in the financial world that nobody wants to go to work for Secretary of the Treasury Geithner. So he doesn't have any help there.

Do you realize that they forced healthy banks to take TARP money to cover for the unhealthy banks? Now the administration wants to control salaries, not only at unhealthy banks that needed TARP money, but also at healthy banks that never wanted TARP money in the first place.

All this posturing by Obama & Co has a downside too.

achad
Achad  (Level: 204.5 - Posts: 661)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 3:52 PM

Democrat/Republican, it's all the same. US Government/businesses have been invading/screwing the rest of the World for years.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 4:34 PM

Yes, they most likely have but at the same time saving their ass-- too... I vote for the UN to get out of the expensive NYC real estate and then let that head guy call the US deadbeats from his lavish headquarters in say Uganda maybe - Linda

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 2:49 AM

Collouire....
Governments were formed to work on behalf of, and to further the interests of, All the People.
Corporations have been created to maximise profits, regardless of ethics and responsibility.
Their interests are in opposition.
Ideally.....each controls the other, so that neither becomes too powerful or too corrupt.
My Hope is that the present administration will re- shape the Balance of Power to where
it ought to be, IN THE INTERESTS OF ALL.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 5:19 AM

No, Rowlanda, they need to work together and they need each other - and right now no one wants to go to work for Mr Geithner because of over-the-top actions by the Obama administration.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 7:50 AM

I don't understand. Corporations are not a fourth arm of the government.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 7:18 PM

Not to worry, Geithner has now asked the lawmakers for the power to step in and regulate everything financial aside from the banks which already are supposed to have a regulatory system because the FDIC insures something (maybe deposits) which in his brilliant mind might be 'systemic risk',. A little disturbing to me when we are getting cautionary words from Sweden and France about too much government regulation. You don't suppose it is something so simple as they have "been there-done that" and found it did not work all that well, do you? Linda

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 7:40 PM

Again, no cure for diarrhea of the keyboard?

Me.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 7:52 PM

My diagnosis is echolalia
The word "echolalia" is derived from the Greek ἠχώ meaning "echo" or "to repeat",[1] and λαλιά (laliá) meaning "babbling, meaningless talk"[2]

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 7:52 PM

Can always count on you, Chick, for a profound response to the political threads you hate but always seem to read- Linda

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 8:21 PM

You were looking for ME to make a profound response?

Best laugh of the day....I can't for the life of me imagine a time when I could or would clog up the BBS with slanted BS, and NO I don't read your drivel, I just pop in here now and then for a chuckle at your expense.

Brings me pleasure....

HRH...Me.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 8:23 PM

I thought FOR SURE Linda would be live blogging
Obama's press conference.

He's using a TELEPROMPTER (I think) and he just
reminded us that previous administrations left him a
mess to clean up. Darn him! Where's the immediate
outrage?

Cthulhu protect our troops.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Tue, 24th Mar '09 8:39 PM

Nope, Foogs, this time he read his opening off of some kind of screen-listening as I type this. He is answering the questions without a teleprompter and is still using words like "investing" when he means "spending'" and giving answers that don't really reply to the questions, but at least he isn't using each question for a 10-15 minute campaign speech so in that respect it is vastly improved over his first one-will have to digest his words as he is "slick" Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 8:36 AM

"He is answering questions, without a teleprompter"

How would they get his answers to the teleprompter? Psychic messenger?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 8:47 AM

In the first press conference he knew the questions before they were asked and thus could read them from a teleprompter-still using them to tee off on a 10-15 campaign speech. This time he did a bit better although still chose not to answer many questions but switch topic and talk about what he wanted to talk about his budget. He is really in to the renaming spending is now investment-forgotten the whole new term that is now used for war on terror. Don't believe he got any questions on foreign policy other tan a couple on Israel and Palestine and his video to Iran. He continues to use the inherited word which I believe is making many want to vomit as much as it does me. You really ought to stick to"What -__ said", Penn, as it makes you sound more in tune with current events IMHO LINDA

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 9:18 AM

Linda, as I have noted before here, with the exception of any unusual actions his admin takes before then, I consider the time before his first budget takes effect on Oct 1 as part of the Bush admin.

Obama inherited a mess and Bush himself inherited a recession plus the already planted time bombs of Enron and 9-11.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 9:41 AM

I know he inherited a mess and anyone who has not been living in a cave for the past 60+ days KNOWS it as he says it in every other sentence. The point is his massive spending is making things worse in order to advance his personal agenda change in record time. No matter how many new names he gives things they are the same thing-Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 9:42 AM

The day, you consider your opinion, humble, is the day I grow wings and fly
"IMHO"
+o

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 9:47 AM

You would think you would be a fan of repeating the same things over and over and over.

President Obama, may have had a list of reporters, that he called upon. If you think the Press, would permit prescripted answers that could be put on a teleprompter you are more out of touch than you appear...

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 10:18 AM

You are correct, Martina, and in time the questions will become more pointed.

Linda, the storm clouds are already gathering over his mammoth budget. It will be pared back until we have an economy that can support it.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 10:33 AM

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/should-white-house-employees-keep-bonuses/?hp Yes, Penn, I know this is a blog but it doesn't change the facts. He keeps talking about the Outrageous nature of the bonuses and they surely are- but imagine this....what a problem- LOL Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 12:33 PM

What page did the Times print that on, Linda?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 12:47 PM

I assume you are being sarcastic, Andy. I have said before that I don't do subtle well. The facts are the facts wherever they appear even if you pay no attention to a slant that some writer attempts to put on it. These people are in the current administration and they took bonuses from a TARP receipient-one it seems has given the bonus to charity Something I didn't know before was Geithner used to work for AIG-splains a lot- anyone who believes any politician is not beholding to Corporate America or the union lobby or some other huge lobby no matter how much they express their concern for the"Main Street" chump is clueless It is a matter of record that the Obama campaign received at least $100,000 from AIG-before anyone points it out-McCain got his chunk too- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 12:56 PM

Well, I do do sarcasm well, Linda.

Actually that is a pretty interesting story.

About hypocrites.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 3:54 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/opinion/25desantis.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&dbk just food for thought Mr.. Geithner determining bonuses and salaries of the business folks and caving to the hypocritical outrage of the lawmakers

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 4:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs someone really ougth to listen to this guy

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 25th Mar '09 4:32 PM

He used it for his opening remarks before questioning. Apparently, his staff can also put information and stats on the panel (as they could the teleprompter) during the question and answer portion of the press conference. Other presidents have used note cards for reference to stats during Q&A time.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/03/25/to-blunt-criticism-obama-makes-a-teleprompter-move/

Which says in part:

"Gone were the familiar dual glass panels on either side of the podium from which Obama is so adroit at reading prepared remarks, and which have been popping up in more and more news photos of him. Instead, the president delivered his opening remarks reading from a flat panel placed at the back of the room."


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