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Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:00 PM


My Yorkie, Winston, was lightly bitten by an animal today. When I heard him crying, he was in the backyard with the terrier, Shaggy, and the golden retriever, Zipp. I've never seen either Shaggy or Zipp even act like they would nip anyone or anything. They raised the wild kitten in the back, as you have read about before.

Yesterday there was a lab running loose around the place but I didn't see him today.

Have you ever had dogs that have been together for years (these have been together for 2 years) that suddenly would bite each other?

FYI, all shots are up to date, all tests clear as of 3 weeks ago.

Smeans  (Level: 109.2 - Posts: 301)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:05 PM

The first thing that comes to mind for me is how old are the dogs and are they neutered?? We had issues years ago with the young male (not neutered at the time) attacking the older male dog trying to challenge him for the dominant role. Once the young dog got neutered the issues settled down after a couple months.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:23 PM

Good question. Everyone is fixed and has been for most all their lives. Male Golden is 8 yrs. Female Terrier is about 3. Male Yorkie is 4. They have never had any problems together whatsoever.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:37 PM

If he has his shots he should be ok. My 2 female (spayed) dogs, were best friends most of the time. About once a year though, they would get into a knock down drag out nasty sounding fight. The same dog (Sarah) always won, and no blood was ever spilled.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 205.8 - Posts: 1302)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:47 PM

I don't know if the response might be similar, but our younger cat is always trying to get the older one to play, and sometimes Serendipity just does NOT want to play, and she'll smack Tom across the head. Maybe your dogs had a similar disagreement?

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:01 PM

So you guys are saying it's not unusual for animals who have never had a problem of any kind to have a little spat and bite?

That just scares the padoodles outa me since I have to be gone from home so much. I always felt so comfortable that we were a happy, non-stressed animal family. Now I'll worry every day. I'm glad I was home when this happened!

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:05 PM

Don't worry so much. My dogs only did the fight thing about once a year, and nobody was seriously injured. If somebody gets a big gaping wound, then worry.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:11 PM

My bank account got the big, gaping wound. At first the vet thought it was a BB shot. I thought his leg was either broken or out of socket because he cried so much and he can't walk on it.

Tuzilla  (Level: 144.7 - Posts: 3839)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:12 PM

It was probably just a little spat over something they found in the yard or a piece of food. Let the bigger dogs know you are the boss, and disapprove of what happened.

Alvandy  (Level: 240.3 - Posts: 7692)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:05 AM

Send your scenario to Cesar Millan [The Dog Whisperer] and ask for his advice.
Be the pack leader !

Salzypat  (Level: 161.6 - Posts: 5414)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:19 AM

I came home one day recently after my German shepherd and Australian shepherd X had been in the same yard together. My G.S. flung her head as I let them in the house and blood flew everywhere. The little A.S. had bitten the tip of the G.S.'s ear off. Darned thing wouldn't quit bleeding, 15 minutes after the vet clinic closed, so had to pay for after hours call.

vet put some surgical glue on it to stop the bleeding. I almost never leave all 3 dogs in the same pen when i'm gone. Too much pack mentality. Luckily I have a fenced in driveway and also a fenced yard, so I can separate them.

One other time I came other and my G.S. had tore up the black G.S. I used to have. Ended up with after hours call again (don't they ever do this stuff during office hours?) , had to give her anesthetic and stitches over that to the tune of $250-plus

In each case I think it boils down one dog being possessive of food or toys, so if I leave two dogs in one pen I make sure there are no bones or toys or food for them to scrap over. Each case there was a mishap I was able to trace it back to some friendly neighbor tossing a few bones into the yard, or a toy being overlooked There was something that triggered the disagreement.

I've stopped the bones getting into the yard and I make sure there is no food or toys to create a fuss.

Asdibbens  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 423)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:25 AM

Quite possibly your dogs got all worked up over the "intruder" dog that was running around. When they are in that frenzied state, they will often do things that they would not normally do, like bite their own pack members.

I have very good friend who is an excellent dog trainer and had this happen once with two gentle females who had been together for 7 or 8 years. Both dogs were hurt, and my friend couldn't understand what had happened until a neighbor told her that some coyotes had been around. Then it made sense. After that incident, my friend sectioned off different areas of the yard for times when the dogs were going to be outside and she couldn't keep a close eye on them.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 5:38 AM

Thank you all so much for all this info! It's all more of "what I didn't even know I didn't know."

Pennwoman  (Level: 161.8 - Posts: 2476)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 10:33 AM

I wouldnt worry to much -- I know our two dogs, are constantly together -- Benjy is a puppymill rescue dog -- he cries if Heidi happens to be outside without him and won't go outside if she is not with him, and Heidi is endlessly tolerant of Benjy EXCEPT one night, out of the blue, I heard Heidi suddenly growl then bark like mad and chased Benji out of my room at a dead run and then when she caught him, she bowled him over and was starting to bite him.... hasnt happened since, I guess sometimes even friends get on each others nerves!

Lodi  (Level: 106.0 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 10:48 AM

We have four (don't ask) and they've been known to snap at each other over food, a bone, a rawhide, a squeaky toy, racing to see who was going to retrieve the ball first, while I'm petting one and another horns in, and last night, because one tried to share another's bed. They have also let playing and wrestling get a bit out of hand when it started out as fun but someone went a little too far and the other responded in kind. Our smallest got bit because he was playing with one of the big dogs and while wrestling around, he bit his ear a bit too hard and the other one instantly responded because I'm sure he got hurt. Maybe you should look for little teeny bite marks on a bigger one's ear.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 11:20 AM

Argh! I hadn't even thought to look over the others...I'm a bad mom!

Thanks for the advice - I'll go check right now.

Monkeynips13  (Level: 21.5 - Posts: 647)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:07 PM

I agree with Asdibbens that the incident was probably incited by the intruder dog. We have four dogs, and two of them (an older alakan Malimute and a Chocolate Lab still in outgroing her puppy years) spend most of the day in the dog run in the back yard. Our neighbors dog often escapes and runs over to our fence to taunt our dogs. When this happens our Malimute will often take a few nips at our lab in order to keep her away from the neighbors dog. I guess it's her way of trying to protect her younger sister.

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