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sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:46 PM

I LIKE GUNS

Had never shot a handgun before, but shot a 38 special at an indoor range recently. Loved it. I absolutely like aim and shoot sports (covers most). Am thinking of buying a gun myself, but my friends are practically shunning me. Thoughts?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:48 PM

Do what you want and don't tell those friends your business. Congrats on being an ace shot!!!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:50 PM

Way to go Sandy! You are now my 4th favorite Sandy. Always ask questions later.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:51 PM

Shooting skeet is a blast. NPI.

And knowing you can protect yourself is empowering. Just think "Indiana Jones" and the guy with the really big blade.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:52 PM

That's what you get for hanging out with left-wingers, Sandy - LOL Linda I love ya!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:55 PM

NPI? What's that? Fudy, aw, not an ace, but good enough that the guys in the next alley were saying "whoa, I'd stay away from that b*tch". Probly beginners luck.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 8:59 PM

NPI - No Pun Intended

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:04 PM

If your friends are acting that way, you just go up to them and point that gun at their ...

On second thought, any activity they have no interest in might evoke that comment. I can't believe some of my otherwise sane friends like reality tv. But I digress.

Just reserve it for sport shooting, take plenty of safety training, use it responsibly, and if it ever starts getting a tighter grip on you, find something else to do with your time

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:13 PM

I am going to rain on your parade.

I favor outlawing handguns.

Unless you live out in the wide open spaces you do not need a gun.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:15 PM

I should add

Go to the shooting range as often as you want.

If you want your gun for such, that's a different matter IMO.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:20 PM

Target shooting is fun; I've enjoyed it but would never want to own a gun myself.
The gun-related deaths in USA suggest to me that owning a gun is dangerous to everyone not just the owner.

Perhaps the inhaibtants of countries such as UK (where after Dunblane guns were virtually barred) might comment on whether there was any backlash from the inhabitants?



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:23 PM

I'm a single woman living alone. There's no way I would have a chance against a male intruder without a weapon. Too many nuts out there. Didn't want it to come to this. Told a Dutch friend 2 yrs or so ago that I might have to buy a gun to protect my vittles. She said if it came to that that they would bring me over.
Dag,
Sandy

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:30 PM

It's nice to have the freedom and safety to not need a gun and to have never been in a situation to need one or realize how important ownership is.

If you have other defenses, that's awesome.

No one will take my handgun. It's the only protection I have in my home. The police can't be everywhere at once. In the US we have a right to protect ourselves in our own homes.

Criminals will always have firearms, because, by definition, THEY don't follow the law. Anyone who breaks into my home will never break into another.



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:42 PM

(Sorry - I hate hard freezes in the middle of posting...sigh...)

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:48 PM

Hand guns are generally not legal in Britain, and that suits me fine. Given the statistics i am always amazed that US citizens see owning guns as a safety precaution. Can anyone explain to me why a normal guy needs to own an automatic weapon?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:49 PM

Well, I'm conflicted for sure. Aiming at a target with a pistol is a blast though! (NPI-tks Jank) Nice to know I have some protection in my home too. Plus, they're pretty in a creepy way

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 9:59 PM

Clieverclogs, Because they're a bad shot?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 21st Mar '09 11:18 PM

Actually, I ONLY want "normal" guys to have a machinegun. I certainly don't want an abnormal guy to have one.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:39 AM

Gun owner, considering going through the training for my concealed weapons permit.

High five to you!

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:42 AM

Huh. Posted here, it showed up and disappeared.

High five, Sandy! I'm considering going through the training for my concealed weapons permit.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:46 AM

Is sploofus experiencing those weird time warp glitches again where things disappear and come back?

Super weird.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:08 AM

Think we have as many guns as Lodi. I know we have a 9mm and prolly 10 other ones. a gigantic safe in which they are all housed.

My freshman year at USAFA, I missed marksman by one shot, impressive considering I can only "wink" with my right eye closed, so that was lefty!!!

Not a big fan of every one owning a firearm, but also not a big fan of everyone reproducing. At least with guns there is a check system (ok, in Illinois and YES it's not perfect).

Me.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:53 AM

Jank0614 wrote....
Actually, I ONLY want "normal" guys to have a machinegun. I certainly don't want an abnormal guy to have one.

That might seem really smart to you, who can tell? It wasn't of course what i asked though. What i asked is why would any normal guy NEED an automatic weapon?

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 8:11 AM

We have a safe full of rifles & shotguns, no handguns (not because we're opposed to them just not interested). My husband & sons like hunting & I don't have a problem with that. I am a pretty fair shot myself but only at targets. Don't think they'd afford much protection if we were being robbed, would take too long to get the guns out & then get the ammo from separate locked area. Canada introduced some excellent laws on not being able to purchase a gun within a certain time of couples getting separated but most of the rest of the legislation just made it more expensive & bothersome for people who use guns responabilly. If you want to take up target shooting, go for it.

aristotle
Aristotle  (Level: 72.7 - Posts: 191)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 8:18 AM

Hey, I'm with Clevercloggs on this. This gun talk is freaking me out a bit.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 8:29 AM

A "normal" guy like a cop maybe might want an automatic weapon because the bad guys have them. I say give the cops rocket launchers, machine guns, and grenades, and tanks if they need them-that should offend many. The bad guys get them regardless of laws about registering them and qualifying via application soi even the playing field. Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 11:27 AM

Aristotle, please don't be upset, because:

1. We don't know where you live, and
2. You haven't broken down any of our doors, as far as we know!

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.4 - Posts: 2671)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:19 PM

Interesting topic. Other than shooting rifles in a prone position at camp when I was 12 or 13, I haven't ever shot a gun. That may be why I'd be really fearful of having one in my home. I figure that if I could get to it quickly and easily (already loaded and easily accessable to me) it would be equally easy for any intruder to get it first or take it away from me. If the intruder wants a gun, let him bring his own, not one I paid for and provided for his use!

I've just read too many horror stories of folks getting killed with their own weapons or some innocent bystander getting hurt.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:26 PM

This will not sit well with many either but really don't care. I was married to a cop for many years and he taught me how to shoot a gun. He told me if an intruder was in the house not to warn them but shoot until the gun was empty. He also said if they were outside breaking in to get the kids to help me drag them into the house because if they are not inside your home, the law is on their side. The result of that is you will most likely get sued for shooting them. Shame that is how the law works favoring the criminals not the victims-Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:31 PM

The advantage of having a gun is that you can put down the intruder long before they can get close enough to you to take it away. If you are trained, it's a lifesaver. If you aren't trained, definitely don't have one till you are.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 12:54 PM

I am not anti-gun, I don't have one here, and I feel safe.I believe in responsibility in gun use just like I do many things. -- my son, when he lived at home, had many guns -- locked in a safe----- never worried or had a minute of problem
My IDIOT brother, on the other hand, lived with me for a short while -- (threw him out, after he knocked my kid off a chair and refused to accept responsibility for it) -- while living with me, SHOT MY TV --- I only found out about it, last year -- he told me he accidently knocked the tv off the stand -- which I found odd, but was a trusting soul....

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:09 PM

Sounds like your brother might have had a problem with the "sauce" not guns-those are the folks who usually shoot out their TV screens and such- Linda

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:14 PM

I wish Linda, that is a bad excuse, but a least an excuse, he was just DUMB!

aristotle
Aristotle  (Level: 72.7 - Posts: 191)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:16 PM

I don't want to be an old killjoy here, but you just need to look up "school shootings" or "spree killings" on Wikipedia to realise that having guns in the just home isn't a good thing. Just today, some nut in southern France has just opened fire on a nursery school.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:22 PM

The issue is that the "nutjobs' will get the guns legally or illegally-only honest people follow the rules-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:27 PM

Something called a "Saturday Night Special" has been available on the streets of most cities for a very long time-not high in quality but also not very expensive and available without any permit or background check it you have the bucks-Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:32 PM

It's easy to focus on the gun. But the gun didn't do it. The focus belongs on the person who did it and why.

aristotle
Aristotle  (Level: 72.7 - Posts: 191)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:37 PM

But sometimes good, honest people forget to lock their guns away and their sons, daughters, nieces, nephews decide to go and shoot up their schools, rather than lock themselves in their bedroom and play loud music.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:45 PM

Again the issue is not the gun but why the kid wanted to go to the school or anywhere else to shoot people? I'm not very big on the use of child psychology either but do believe that the gun is not responsible for the crime-personal responsibility somewhere here that everyone seems to be overlooking in a whole lot of places-Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 1:49 PM

I have read statistics and I am anti-hand gun. However if you live in a remote area alone I believe a rifle would come in handy. For wild animals. You can always use other less fatal means of security. Pepper spray, Tazers, a dog. Good hardware on your door,security system. If it were me and I have live alone, I'd be afraid when I got adrenaline I would screw up and shoot my foot off or something. Hand guns kill way too many people, and our country is way to violent physically and verbally. Please don't be too hard on me, just an opinion

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 1120)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 2:09 PM

Just received my concealed permit Saturday after passing the background/qualification for local and federal laws concerning the issuance of such licenses, on the advice of LEO's I'm friends with. Have never particularly "loved" handguns,but with proper training from my police officer buds feel much better about keeping and using my Sig .45. I don't believe everyone "needs" or should want a gun, just like I don't believe everyone should have license and access to a two ton auto on the public roads and easy access to all the alcohol they can consume while driving said vehicle, let alone the total lack of training the average driver has completed to prove proficiency/responsibility to have such freedom.....now if it were just legal to shoot out their tires....

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:08 PM



larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:11 PM

Linda wrote "The issue is that the "nutjobs' will get the guns legally or illegally..."
Jank wrote "It's easy to focus on the gun. But the gun didn't do it..."

But if there is no way of legally obtaining guns Linda, getting them illegally becomes much, much harder. Your average nutjob or spree killer acts out not only because of their own problems, but also because they are enabled to by gun laws. No guns = well, probably a lot more nutters with knives actually - but you'd be hard pressed to kill a dozen or more people in less than five minutes with a hunting knife.
(With the possible exceptions of Chick & Lodi, but I believe they can shoot death rays out of their eyes anyway: why would they need a gun?!)

Yes the person shooting the gun is responsible, not the weapon itself Jank: but they can't shoot it if they don't have it in the first place.

I don't expect to win either of you over, but consider: gun crime in England and Wales today makes up less than 0.5% of overall crime stats. Less than a single solitary percentile.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/gun-crime/

In 2002, again in England and Wales, gun deaths per 100,000 population stood at 0.15. In the US in 2001 it was 3.98.
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.html
(From 2005 the US figure increases: google 'US Gun Statistics' and choose any page)
Much less than one, to nearly four.

It's practically impossible to legally obtain a hand gun in the UK. We have the pretty much exactly the same social and economic problems as the US, albeit (perhaps) on a differing scale. I can only conclude that you outmurder us, with guns at least, because you have the ability to purchase them with more comparative ease.

I should point out that I purposely left Scotland out of the UK. (Cue much cheering from some quarters!) Scotland skews the overall stats because it has practically no gun crime at all - 0.06 per 100,000 in 2002.



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:35 PM

Basically, I agree with you, Martin.

I wish I knew how the USA could arrive at that point. There are so many guns in circulation, their owners are very possessive, and the Supreme Court seems to be interpreting the Second Amendment as allowing guns as an individual right.

Sandy wants to do exactly what's in vogue during this recession - buying a gun.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:36 PM

On the other hand, you could look at it realistically, rather than what you wish it were:

In 2002, again in England and Wales, gun deaths per 100,000 population stood at 0.15, where it is totally illegal for ANYONE to own a gun. That means criminals who illegally owned a gun killed that many unarmed people who couldn't protect themselves.

In the US in 2001, where it is constitutionally protected for ALL citizens (except convicted felons) to own a gun, only 3.98 deaths per 100,000 occurred.

The percentage of guns owned to percentage of murders MUCH lower in America than percentage of guns owned by only criminals to percentage of murders in England/Wales.



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:46 PM

Just my interpretation but it sounds like someone is skewing the facts for their position. Oh gosh who would have thought that.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:51 PM

I was afraid of them before I actually fired one. Now I simply respect them.

Chick, like you I'm left eyed, and a righty, so when I took riflery at IU (all the other HPER classes were full) they had me shoot left handed, and what a difference it made! That was the extent of my gun experience, and was, ahem, over 30 yrs ago.

Lare, my friends in Amsterdam say that there are a lot of break-ins etc, but you can count on the intruder being without a gun. (not that they've ever been broken into). I believe that is the right way for society (being gunless), but not feasible here yet.

Folks in America are buying them in droves, afraid of gun law changes, and of desperate people due to the economy. In the "romantic" version of the 30s, it was mostly the banks that got robbed. I wonder that in this age, if folks would be as "Robin Hoodish".

Realize that I'm a little paranoid




collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 3:52 PM

I don't get your math, Jank

England and Wales - pop 53 million, gun deaths/yr 80

USA - pop 300 million, gun deaths/yr 12,000

I know there are statistics that show lower crime rates in states with conceal and carry too, but I don't believe the relationship is causal.

All our efforts to increase sentences for gun crimes and tighten up the sales process haven't changed the basic situation. Too many guns, too much gun violence. Much different here in Europe as Martin has nicely illusrated.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:04 PM

Coll, don't appreciate your calling me a trend follower.

I'm glad that you live in France, where it's not an issue.

If I wasn't over 50 and bad with languages, I would move to Holland. I think it's a very sensible country.

There. I'm sure that I've p*ssed off everyone on both sides now.

You have to play the cards your dealt.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:11 PM

Col - just pointing out that the gun death rate is that high where NO ONE is legally allowed to have a gun.

I'm comparing the death rate in percentage of people who are allowed to have a gun to the death rate in percentage of people not allowed to have a gun.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:27 PM

Sandy - enjoy your target shooting and gun training. Who cares if anybody else agrees with it or not?

Lodi



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:34 PM

This is how easy it is for bad guys to get guns-this guy had two different types. How did he get them when he was on parole for a gun related felony? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510037,00.html- 4 cops dead- Linda Glad things are different for you folks in Europe. They are what they are here and as they have been for a long time!!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:43 PM

I completely agree Lodi. Sure stirred up a controversy here and at home though!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:44 PM

But it's awesome to read all the opinions. I hope it will always be this way.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:45 PM

Sandy, I didn't call you a trend follower. Your stated reasons for wanting a gun are not the same as those of the masses seeking guns these days.

I think Holland might have been a sensible country. There is a huge generational gap in Holland today, and Muslim immigrant domination of cities threatens their culture.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 4:48 PM

Yes you did (mom, he called me a name!)
Think Holland will figure something out. I hope so, cause it's true that they've had "honor killings" and all sorts of stuff that does not compute with Dutch thinking. We'll see.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 5:31 PM

Another Reason Why I Don't Keep a Gun in the House


The neighbors' dog will not stop barking.
He is barking the same high, rhythmic bark
that he barks every time they leave the house.
They must switch him on on their way out.

The neighbors' dog will not stop barking.
I close all the windows in the house
and put on a Beethoven symphony full blast
but I can still hear him muffled under the music,
barking, barking, barking,

and now I can see him sitting in the orchestra,
his head raised confidently as if Beethoven
had included a part for barking dog.

When the record finally ends he is still barking,
sitting there in the oboe section barking,
his eyes fixed on the conductor who is
entreating him with his baton

while the other musicians listen in respectful
silence to the famous barking dog solo,
that endless coda that first established
Beethoven as an innovative genius.

Billy Collins




sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 5:53 PM

I didn't get it. I don' t want to shoot a dog OR a person. I want to shoot at targets and be able to defend myself if someone breaks into my house. I won't drag anyone inside my house, cause if they're out there I will call the cops first.
Explain please. I must have missed something.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 5:59 PM

Nothing to get, just a note of whimsy in one of my favorite poems.

I actually do have guns in the house but I try not to think about it. I've had upwards of 300 pounds of dog in my immediate vicinity for the past so many years, I always feel secure. I tried target shooting but it kills my wrists.

Wasn't meaning to annoy anyone, just a harmless poem.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:25 PM

Poetry and Guns---Reminds me of my days in the Armys basic training during the longest war we ever fought in.
The drill instructer would have us recite

This is my rifle (and we would hold our weapon above our heads)
This is my gun (and we would grab what rap singers grab)
This is for killing (weapon again)
And this is for fun(rap movement)

Sorry, but happy hour starts early on Sunday

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:29 PM

I'm soooooo going to try to incorporate that into a conversation at work tomorrow. Thanks!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:33 PM

Thank you, Lodi, was getting ready to shoot a hole in my computer- Linda

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:41 PM

Bang, Bang my babies shot me down.

Linda, yesterday you said you liked me!



donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:49 PM

All this gun talk reminds me of another story;

Napoleon and George III of England were having a rare discussion and Napoleon asked George " Why do you British wear red coats into battle?" George replied, "So if a soldier is shot the blood won't show as well, and is less likely to cause panic in the rest of the battalion. From that day on, French soldiers have worn brown trousers.

Don

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:54 PM

Don, you made me cackle out loud!

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 6:59 PM

Why would you want an opinion on such a "loaded" topic? It's your choice because hand guns are still legally obtainable in the US, and you certainly seem like you will handle it intelligently. Just hope you don't have children around.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 7:02 PM

No kids, cats, or dogs. I just thought it would be an interesting topic.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 7:05 PM

It IS an interesting topic Sandy. I am pleasantly surprised by some of the comments. Not including mine of course.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 7:11 PM

Yes, it was a good interesting topic, Sandy, despite some of the inane irrelevant comments- thanks-Linda

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 7:17 PM

I thought that the comments were intelligent.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 7:44 PM

Sandy, now that I've seen some of the teams, I like NC and Louisville, but Pitt doesn't do much for me. Haven't seen UConn. Big East is the conference even if the Bearcats didn't make it to the dance this year.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 8:07 PM

I pretty sure its legal to own a rifle or shotgun in England which probably accounts for a number of the shooting deaths there. In Canada gun deaths have been dropping but illegal handgun deaths are rising. Stricter storage laws have probably helped reduce accidental shootings & perhaps suicides (suicide by other means has risen) but urbanization has probably had more of an effect. Not as many folks hunt so they don't own guns. I still believe responsible trained people should be able to own guns for hunting or target shooting.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 8:42 PM

Andy --watch out for kansas and missouri. Big 12 conference tough!

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 9:07 PM

I usually follow March Madness are the gators in it? I am a big gator fan. bobo

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 22nd Mar '09 9:22 PM

Bobo--I think your Gators are better at football. They're not listed on my basketball bracket.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 6:01 AM

Bo, Missouri almost didn't beat the 5th best team in the Big East. Kansas and Oklahoma are contenders for sure.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 10:24 AM

Andy - Memphis will be a real test fo Missouri.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 10:46 AM

Villanova baby!

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.7 - Posts: 911)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 4:05 PM

Funny you should say that. I was in a store here in Surrey, UK today and was surprised to see shotguns on display. The sign next to them said something that included the words "please don't fire these guns". I didn't investigate closely so I don't know any more than that. I would like to have a go at shooting clay pigeons (skeets) but I have no desire to own a gun.
By the way I am very happy to live in a country where it is illegal to own a gun.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 23rd Mar '09 4:35 PM

Perhaps, Bo, but can Memphis get it done this year without Rose?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 27th Mar '09 4:13 PM

Bo, you were right. Missouri bumped off Memphis.

May hat is off to you.

Big 12 and Big East tourney so far.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Fri, 27th Mar '09 5:13 PM

Andy Missouri tried to lose it after a 24 point lead.
Did you see that 3 point shot with1 second left on the clock at halftime?
Our "if" bet of KU vs UNC was depending on whether Ty Lawson would play.
I think Cole Aldrich (MR triple double) will decide if he will play or not.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 27th Mar '09 5:23 PM

I saw the replay. I am five hours ahead of you, six again on Sunday. Think I will tape ESPN America this weekend.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 8:05 PM

Only 1 Big 12 team left, Bo.

Only UNC, Okla and the Big East are left in the running.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 9:48 PM

Andy, now I have to root for Oklahoma. Dammit

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 10:23 PM

I own 2 pistols and a rifle. I used to have a concealed weapons permit when I lived in Indiana.

I've been shooting guns since I was a child, and I've been professionally trained in gun safety. I love skeet shooting.

I say that if you enjoy shooting, do it! It is legal in the United States and protected by the Bill of Rights. If you feel like you need it for protection ... well ... that's why I have a pistol as well. Training in marksmanship and in gun safety is easy to get.

Happy shooting!

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 10:28 PM

I hope the Sooners shoot good when they play USC.

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 10:35 PM

Afraid of keeping this thread on target, are ya?

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 10:40 PM

Oh shoot, you caught on.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 11:15 PM

Mr. Bo, I was sorry that Mizzu lost. Good team!

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 11:39 PM

Thanks Sandy. They were a very good team this year.
Maybe next year if the coach doesn't leave.

If you're still looking at hand guns, I recommend a Glock 17 9mm pistol.
A lot of police officers carry this weapon.
It's light weight and the clip holds 17 cartridges.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 28th Mar '09 11:55 PM

Still undecided about owning a gun. Will keep the glock in mind though if I decide to purchase one. thanks.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sun, 29th Mar '09 7:38 PM

Slightly off topic but an interesting story, I think....

A friend of mine woke up one night to see a
male neighbour entering her bedroom.
She had a baseball bat next to her bed, and got
so angry - she chased him to the front door, whilst
hitting him on the head. Then she called the police.

THE POLICE BELIEVED HIM WHEN HE SAID HE
WAS HER LOVER AND SHE HAD INVITED HIM IN,
AND THEN SHE JUST WENT NUTS.....SO THEY
ARRESTED HER FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER!!!!

Eventually they went into his apartment and found a file
of photographs of her - shopping, getting into her car etc.
in a scapbook describing how he had been stalking her for
months....

Moral of the story is ....women - if you are going to wound
or kill someone, with a gun, knife or baseball bat - please
be very careful about the circumstances, and get a good lawyer.
.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 29th Mar '09 7:47 PM

Like I said earlier in this thread right or wrong my cop husband said not to warn or try to wound but keep shooting until the gun was empty and they would most likely be dead ugly as that seems. You are also in trouble if you harm them if they are not yet into your home but are only in the process of breaking in-reason it is necessary to drag them inside otherwise you might get sued by their family-not the way things should be but facts of the laws on the books--Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 29th Mar '09 7:54 PM

Sorry, Bo. Sooners no match for UNC.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 12:46 PM

I'm not picking on you Sandacram. You have every right to practice and own a handgun. I think there is a compelling argument illustrated in the news over last several weeks. What is wrong with us? I believe congress should act on this. We are in the midst of not a recession but depression. Millions out of work adding to stress in a country. There are 250,000,00 hand guns in the US legally not to mention the one obtained illegally. That is at least one for every person in US. Something needs to be done. Statistics don't lie mass murder by handgun is on the rise. Just this morning 3 more police officers in Pittsburg were killed by handguns. Please don't pounce on me about this all you conservative gun touters, because I am extremely upset about all the recent mass killings. We should all be shocked and appalled. Why worry about Al-Quada when we have terriosts right here who legally bought hand guns. Thank you Bobo. Oh have a good time at the gun range.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 3:09 PM

I'm not feeling picked on. You have every right to your opinions. And if you think I'm right wing, you haven't been around here long!!
Yeah, the recent shootings are nauseating. Is it the guns, or do we have crazier people here, and if so why?

I'm going with UNC

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 3:17 PM

Hey Sandy I live in Charlotte guess I have to be for UNC. I did not say you were conservative just most people that are pro-gun are. You know it is in our constitution and all. The amendments have all but been ignored on many occasions. I think when the right to bear arms was originally written into constitution it was a very different world. They were keeping arms for different reasons. I don't think anyone can argue that. We have a powerful lobby in this country and that is one reason it is still legal to own a hand gun. Obviously somethiing needs to be done. The recent killing sprees all involved handguns obtained legally! The last one in Pittsburg the guy had a shoot out with police. Best friends say he was afraid Obama was going to take his guns away.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 3:29 PM

He had assault rifles. He was lying in wait for the police, it was an ambush.
He was wearing a bullet proof vest and shot the first two men in the head and the 3rd officer was on his way home from his shift --he tried to get to the first two men... 2 others where shot in the hand and the leg.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 4:36 PM

I am not up on the details of theses cases as been busy with my Sasha dog. Would be interesting to know if these guys had permits for the guns they used. I rather doubt it but could be wrong- one more proof that nuts will get them illegally if they want them. Some of these assault weapons can be ordered in pieces from places like China and then assembled after delivery. The Pittsburgh guy supposedly said along with losing his job he was staging a protest about Obama's perceived efforts to ban hand guns-know he is a nut job so take it with a grain of salt. Before Sasha arrived was starting to research the 90% stats that say the US furnishes all of the guns to Mexico (cartels). There is some debate here- 90% of the retrieved registered guns-but many believed to be military in nature and thus imported from countries like China . Know the cA guy who shot and killed 4 cops did not get any of his guns with a permit as he was a convicted felon on parole- Linda

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 4:56 PM

So, how is Sasha dog?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 5:09 PM

Beautiful and terribly spoiled already I have to be very careful not to overfeed her, The Sheltie folks told me that I should feed her organic foods but she seems to like my lunch meat and spaghetti with sauce so much better - LOL - Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 5:33 PM

I don't want any of your blogs to form statistics. Enough is enough already too many people are using legal hand guns to kill masses of people for no reason. So if you make handguns illegal it at least eliminates such easy access to hand guns. It would take guns out of peoples hands who would not have them so easily. When some of these people applied for permits maybe their lives weren't so desperate. This recession is taking its toll on people. People out of work with time on their hands and other stresses ( the guy in New York was immigrant with poor English) can do crazy things. I think without legal hand guns some of this tragedy could be avoided. There is another forum for Caramel's new dog. Thank you Bobo

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 5:42 PM

I see no reason for anyone other than police officers to have access to assault weapons because the people they face have them,. I do believe in the Constitutional Right to bear arms which includes rifles and handguns. A special permit is required to carry a hand gun concealed I believe. Unless there is a Constitutional Amendment don't have to cite any blog or otherwise to show that is a fundamental right in the US. You my give your "opinion" as to whether this makes sense or not but it is the law and your opinion is exactly that an OPINION - Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 5:50 PM

Bobo....

And so because of the murderous acts of a few mentally affected people, you would punish the vast majority of people who have done nothing wrong and leave them vulnerable to be maimed or killed by those who do not abide by any law. You seek to punish the wrong people.



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 6:16 PM

You people are reactionary. So I am not surprised by your remarks. Linda I know all to well that it is a constitutional right. I know it is legal to own a hand gun. These people obviously had no trouble getting them legally. The vietnamese man got his legally, they were registered. Why are they so easy to obtain, I think it should be illegal. However, if you insist on an outdated concept of right to bear arms. Then make it much, much much harder to get permit. It is harder to get drivers license than a hand gun. Makes no sense. No more please just pray for those poor police and victims in New York, North Carolina, Alabama.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 6:17 PM

Sorry, I meant easier to get hand gun permit than a drivers license or anything apparently. I suppose you don't even have to be a citizen or pay taxes.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 6:19 PM

Also Jan what makes you think if any of these people had a gun it would have helped. It didn't help the police. Come on people wake up to reality. We have been going a-- backwards for way too long.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 6:38 PM

As I said, opinion is divided and not necessarily along political lines. You are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else. Don't much like you calling me a "reactionary" because I believe in a right guaranteed under law but that too you are entitled to do. Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 6:40 PM

I sure am. Thank you for allowing my opinion even though it is my right. Unless you know of a law that forbides it.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 7:12 PM

Linda, remember that many people don't posses the gray matter to safely operate any kind of hand gun. Those that fear guns just don't understand how they work. Since cars kill more people than guns do maybe we should get rid of them. Just a thought. Sheeze!

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 7:19 PM

Wow, man. I've never been accused of being a Conservative before.

This is a whole new experience for me!

phred
Phred  (Level: 77.0 - Posts: 11)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 7:31 PM

Ho hum. Talking about guns and bullets is soo-oo-o 20th century. How about "neighborhood nuclear superiority" ?

http://www.videoranch.com/html/NNSsmall.html


bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 7:56 PM

Of couse cars kill more people. Hey, thats and ACCIDENT. You sure are clever Felix. I meant to tell you that in a private message, you know how clever you are. Hey go look up some more blogs and give me more statistics to support cars over guns. I'm sure in that length of time someone will be killed by hand gun. Bobo

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:06 PM

You "conservative" you, Katy LOL Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:09 PM

Maybe you SHOULD blog. Your post makes no sense. Don't hate me because I'm sober. If you can't safely operate either than leave them to those that can. How do you block someone (annoying) from send you a PM?

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 1120)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:12 PM

It should be illegal to own and operate Boeing 747's also

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:17 PM

They say that it's easier to get a pilot's license to operate a Boeing 747 than it is to get a concealed Gnu permit ...

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:18 PM

Are you talking to me again with your cheap shots. I wish you could understand what it is to be totally sorry you ever posted something someone could use against you. How ignorant to call someone names. It must be because you are a bully and have no real intelligence to say anything else. You are really repulsive, I wouldn't send you a private message for all the guns in the world. NO MORE CHEAP SHOTS>

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:22 PM

Paranoia just makes it seem that way. For the record regardless of you meanness I do not feel that you lack Intelligence. Just know that there is nothing someone like you can sway to sway or hurt me. Did you cancel your Thedon1 account, yet?

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:34 PM

Ok.

I really do think that we've discussed this topic to the point where we are pretty much at a stalemate.

Let us agree to disagree.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:38 PM

I agree to disagree.

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 1120)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:42 PM

The perils of living in our quasi-free society are that guarantees of rights and liberties enjoyed by a collective populace of millions does not assure that individual responsibility will follow, the only manner to insure absolute obedience is absolute control.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 8:51 PM

Very aptly put, very intelligent response to a controversial topic. Though not really taking a stand I do admire the thought. Nor do I want any power to have absolute power over my obedience, uh including people on this website. Thank you that ends topic for me. Unless some other mass murders happen tomorrow.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 9:15 PM

One of the greatest discoveries/inventions of humanity was the ability to defend oneself. Since that discovery/invention, humanity has protected the right to have the ability to defend itself for all these hundreds of years. The founders of this country also knew it was a precious right to defend oneself and wrote it into the most important foundational law of our land.

How is the precious right to defend oneself reactionary?

What is reactionary is that now, after thousands of years of humanity protecting itself, and hundreds of years of having an invention that has can most easily save a human's life in an emergency against a criminal (especially a perhaps weaker human against a stronger human who is threatening him/her), some humans have decided they know better than all humanity that came before and want to prevent humanity from having this simple form of protecting oneself.



alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.7 - Posts: 7573)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 10:54 PM

I agree to disagree.
But most people have never put much thought into the origins of the Second Amendment [Bill of Rights] to the Constitution.
Most just memorized it as the "right to bear arms"

The link below has some useful historical perspective that should be considered , so that everyone can make informed decisions and even change or modify their views occasionally.

Food for thouhgt:
York PA is home to a major military contractor [BAE Systems- Ground Systems Division]. Here's a headline from 2006.

BAE SYSTEMS AWARDED $7.8 MILLION CONTRACT MODIFICATION TO MANUFACTURE ADDITIONAL IRAQI LIGHT ARMORED VEHICLES
YORK, Pa. - BAE Systems has received a $7.8 million Foreign Military Sales contract modification to manufacture 20 additional Iraqi Light Armored Vehicles from the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command.
------------------------------------------

Literally taken, I should be able to buy one of those "light armored vehicles" for personal use. [if I had enough money, of course]. If denied, should I take my case to the Supreme Court?


http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/p/2nd_amendment.htm


Al




sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:00 PM

Thanks Al.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:11 PM

Everyone read the 2nd amendment. Please

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:17 PM

So, Al, idealism aside and reality faced.....

I live alone. Someone breaks into my house, my stuff is stolen, I am raped and beaten......or killed.

I can do nothing because a democrat run administration and supreme court has ruled it illegal to own a handgun and has forced confiscation of them.

How do you feel faced with the reality that you tell an entire country of people, some of whom are desperate to come up with another money to support their drug habit, that all the people in their houses don't have guns any more - so come on in, most likely you'll not meet any resistance, and more women are raped, hurt, or murdered? Even with a cellphone by my bed, how long does it take the police to get where a woman is in her home alone?

I think it's great that the majority of people have not had a situation in their circle of friends and loved ones where someone was killed because they had no one to protect them and no way to protect themselves.

But some have faced that situation. They are the ones not here to speak in support of owning guns because they're dead. But they might not have been had they had a small weapon.



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:23 PM

Oh come on! The democrats now its their fault this hypothetical women is raped and killed. Well you don't have to worry. So far it is anyone's right to bear arms. So go rest your head on your pillow. Sleep tight don't let the bed bugs bite.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:25 PM

No - it is 100% the responsibility of the person doing the raping that the woman is raped and killed. It would be the democrat controlled administration and supreme court that the woman could not protect herself from the animal doing the crime.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:26 PM

And Bobo - since when is it only hypothetical women who are raped and killed?

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Apr '09 11:40 PM

I'm sorry if I said hypothetical, name a women who would have been raped and killed, had she not used a hand gun? I am sorry I am not trying to suggest you don't have a right to protect yourself. It is frightening to be a women alone. I am alone right now family on vacation. I don't feel the need or desire to own a hand gun. It would scare me more to have one, than not. Be assured if it makes you feel safer, fine. It is just my opinion, thats all. I am really coming from a place where I am so sorry we need them. Now lets all say "Ohmmmmmmm" mantra. Peace out and goodnight.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 5th Apr '09 8:29 AM

I know one, but she will not give me permission to use her name here. I can use the name of my 5th grade Sunday School teacher, Johnnie Davis, who after her husband died, her house was broken into and she was attacked. She did not have a gun, but she did have a screwdriver, and she protected herself as well as she could with it. She was beaten, cut, and bruised, but she survived. She was in her 60s. I wish she had had a gun. It was awful.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 9:29 AM

One doesn't like to brag but I have an Ak 47 an uzi a 357 magnum and a 9mm colt.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 9:32 AM

I am kidding of course, having guns to protect us from people with guns may be a form of lex talionis and yet I think that two wrongs do not make a right.

davidf
Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 9:33 AM

Then again I live in England and we are still mastering the art of knives and baseball bats, I guess guns will follow. Where has the peace gone

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 9:55 AM

lex talionis??

Was that in Caesar when I read it more than fifty 50 years ago?

Of course, maybe you "learned your Latin" by listening to Miss Patti Page.



lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 1:01 PM

I heard that if you have a platinum membership, your opinion counts more on sploofus. Is that true?

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 1:08 PM

Anyone who believes that it is right to own guns needs their bumps felt. Far more people get killed by this "Right to bear arms" than would if all guns were banned from the home. Keep them at clubs to shoot if you have to, but please spare us the sanctimonious drivel about them being for protectiion.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 1:54 PM

I could not agree more. Guns for protection - come on - I just don't buy it. The home invader or perpetrator could easily turn the gun on you. If you are a woman alone in that situation. I could not agree more Barnie. Where were you when I needed you. We aren't going to change these people's minds. They sure as h--- aren't going to change mine. I'm hoping with recent killings that congress and President will take another look at this. Court rulings in past on 2nd amendment have not intelligently been argued. Obama was longshot for presidency and gun control is a longshot. But it is possible in our life time. What a good message that would send the world.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 1:54 PM

I could not agree more. Guns for protection - come on - I just don't buy it. The home invader or perpetrator could easily turn the gun on you. If you are a woman alone in that situation. I could not agree more Barnie. Where were you when I needed you. We aren't going to change these people's minds. They sure as h--- aren't going to change mine. I'm hoping with recent killings that congress and President will take another look at this. Court rulings in past on 2nd amendment have not intelligently been argued. Obama was longshot for presidency and gun control is a longshot. But it is possible in our life time. What a good message that would send the world.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 2:07 PM

That seems to be the mood in DC-gun bans-but it won't happen without a fight and not only from those you. label "conservative" with such distaste like you just said said a swear word. Actually I have very little use for anyone's opinion just because they think it is "trendy' to be a Liberal or a Conservative. Don't much like views on the basis of some kind of hypothetical ideology- Linda

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 2:28 PM

"If you're a woman alone in that situation..."

Not all women are helpless. I guarantee that anyone feeling the need to invade my home will acquire an acute case of lead poisoning.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 2:40 PM

Oh since we are sorting it out. Linda are you a conservative? Make sure you drag that perp inside after you shoot him.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 2:45 PM

I take last post back. I have said all I have to say on topic. Let some one else argue or debate I'm done. I just went back to it because of all the recent shootings. It was topical now I'm done. Thanks Bobo

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 2:48 PM

Thanks

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 3:19 PM

If you want to drag someone into your house to kill them, that just makes you the MURDERER>

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 3:54 PM

So, has Sandy become a pistol packin' momma yet?

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 4:05 PM

I am imagining Lara Croft in my head. Is that what you look like, Sandy?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 4:14 PM

Not yet Andy. And Lodi--you got it

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 4:45 PM

LOL ,Barnie, you remember me. I'm the "selfish cynic" who doesn't give a da-- about global warming or climate change choose your rename. I will be long dead as will my kids and their kids and their kids when and if that ever occurs. I have been fortunate to have never had the occasion to shoot an intruder. However, if I did while said intruder was in the process of breaking in and killed said intruder whilst they were yet on my porch da-- straight I would drag them inside. That is the law ask any attorney. If they are inside your house it is self defense. If they are only in the process of breaking in and still outside your home good case can be made that you indeed murdered. Skewed as that is that is how the law works- Linda

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 5:14 PM

Pretty sure forensics would discover where said "intruder" was shot & dragged.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 5:22 PM

You are most likely correct, Lodi, but usually if someone is breaking into someone's home weapon in hand not much forensic science done- at least that is the way it used to be but who knows these days? Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 7:31 PM

Said intruder will be dead or seriously injured long before they get close enough to me to take my gun from me. That's the purpose of having a gun for protection - you can protect yourself before they get to you. You really want to face an intruder armed with nothing but a pillow and a cellphone? That's just silly. Humanity would be extinct if everyone believed as you guys do.

Most intruders do NOT bring in a gun with them because the prison time for breaking in with a gun is much higher. But they're counting on YOU not having a gun.

I have a gun. I know how to use it - well. Don't break into my house or it will be the last place you ever go. I shoot to kill. And I won't stop until you are dead.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 7:45 PM


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 7:50 PM

My dad owned that record. (sniff sniff)

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 6th Apr '09 8:01 PM

I have two handguns, two rifles and a Remington short barrel 12 gauge pump. Guess which one I will use to ventilate the bad guy that's stupid enough to invade my house. Actually, just one look at that nasty shotgun would probably change the color of his underwear. I really wanted to stay out of this thread, but,,,,,,,

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 10:51 PM

Hey what color are your longjohns Mr green jeans in Michigan?


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