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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 2:28 PM

PIRATES

If these guys aren't terrorists don't know how any sane person would categorize them. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-somalia-pirates9-2009apr09,0,5382232.story They care about nothing. Now the AP is reporting that they are still holding the ship's captain hostage. They are like mosquitoes in small motorboats that could be blown out of the water in a second. It is all about money to them-that is how the country supports itself-ransom for hostages. The US has been said that they will not negotiate but getting these guys without killing the captain probably impossible. The amount of money they are demanding will probably seem like fly sh-- in terms of the money we are pumping down the drain. It will be interesting to see how Obama handles this as his "slick" talk probably won't help a bit. Would seem wise to me to pay and get the captain back and then wipe this chicken sh-- country off the face of the earth- Linda

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 2:42 PM


I don't understand why we don't park an aircraft carrier there, declare a moratorium on anything under 60 feet that hasn't been specifically permitted, and blow them out of the water, no warnings given. Ala "no fly zone"

But we should have an amnesty on Talk Like A Pirate day (September 19)

sploofus
Justin  
Wed, 8th Apr '09 4:37 PM

Arrrrr.......

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 6:48 PM

Smaug, the problem is that the pirates use small, fast boats. They're upon you before you know who they are.

You'd need a fast armed fleet of small boats to combat them.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 6:51 PM

Between collieure and Linda they got the world covered. I guess we can rest easy. Bobo

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 7:49 PM

WE can rest,,,I don't think you ever will, Bobo

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 7:51 PM

I will if you will, they don't need any help saving the world or Salty Dog. They took plenty of Geritol.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 7:58 PM

Your intimate knowledge of others amazes me. Bobo!

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 8:25 PM

I should refrain but I did read LA times article about pirates. I think it is a shame that our destroyer can't get there any quicker. Thats all "To Sir With Love" is on. You know peace, love, and dove all that liberal s---. I know you guys love that. Go for it I'm in a great mood tonight. I don't think Clinton should have let US forces out in the cold in Mogadishu either. Whoooa what a shocker. Bobo defending military action, yes sometimes it is called for. Those poor people in Africa need our help. Now let me have it.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 8:28 PM

Not tonight bobo, I've got a headache.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 8:51 PM

""You'd need a fast armed fleet of small boats to combat them.""


ahhh...we have all sorts of missiles and stuff that would just blow up the section of ocean they happen to be on..

An Aegis cruiser can detect and hit a rubber ducky at 100 miles.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 9:02 PM

Very funny, seriously Mr Donden.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 9:18 PM

Don, is always "right on" with his comments. One of the members here I most appreciate. Everyone in that pitiful place knows where their revenue comes from so after we get the skipper back Smaug has it correct wipe out the entire place-problem solved-some people just don't get the kind words or the new approach to foreign relations. They just don't do subtle can understand that as don't do that well myself - Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 8th Apr '09 10:43 PM

No one would certainly not criticize you for being subtle. Let's just blast them all. What are you in a John Wayne movie?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 2:21 AM

No, since you started participating feel very much like I'm in OZ or the Twilight Zone actually - Linda

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 2:32 AM

Why not just Nuke the whole planet. That will get rid of the Pirates. Oh, and azll you racistd as well. Good.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 8:26 AM

No, Barnie, believe I'll just nuke Spain LOL- Linda

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 5:16 PM

Wait till I am on a visit to UK please.LOL I go every January. My Mum will be 100 next January

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 5:22 PM

I think we're all glad that you don't have your finger on the button Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 5:29 PM

Yeah, that's a little too close for comfort (3km).

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 6:50 PM

LOl Think, Sandy? The least they could do is blow that "MOTHER SHIP" out of the water-- I said SHIP!! Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 7:19 PM

Hey you must be in twilight zone I now have gold membership, scary huh. You could be in the outer limits, there is nothing wrong with your tv it is just Linda! Boy am I glad you aren't in any position of authority as far as foreign affairs!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 8:16 PM

You had better just be glad I have no authority over who can post let alone control of foreign affairs- Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 8:32 PM

Like someone said earlier you are a dreadful woman. I am glad you are just on a trivia website and no one I really have to deal with. Hey go find some dirt to b---- about and leave me alone. You are just awful lady.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 8:48 PM

Hmmm...I guess it turned into "Talk Like An Irate Day"....

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 9th Apr '09 9:24 PM

Hey Smaug can they really zoom in on that small a target? Naw, my grandchildren wouldn't understand they love me. Oh did I tell you guys. I have THE most adorable little babies in the world. 3 of them, all girls. Sorry, no dogs yet.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 8:28 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War Thomas Jefferson "got it" that paying ransom to these guys would never stop-hence the US Marines. Seems the Captain escaped during the night the vessel where he is being held and started swimming towards the Navy ship. Theyu didn't reat in time to0 blow up that thing so he was recaptured by those pirates. If it could be done way back in Jefferson's time, why are we so afraid to offend some country or countries now? Intelligence seems to know where they are operating from-root them out or this nonsense will never stop- Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 8:37 AM

I think it's Johnny Depp's fault. He made them seem so cute and loveable.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 8:45 AM

There is a reason why marines are called "Leathernecks"-wore a leather thing around their necks because these guys behead lest anyone think the resemble Flynn or Depp- no offense meant to you Jank their pirate figures were charming but this situation is outrageous and should be treated as such-Linda

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 10:38 AM

Sure, google "Predator strike"

or check this out:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30c_1195003143&o=1

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 10:51 AM

Yup, that is the ticket, Smaug! Linda :

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 2:07 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5391BQ20090410 This is an international issue and people in charge had better do something about these thugs- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 2:22 PM

Intl issue?

Somalia doesn't have a functional government.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 2:32 PM

Smolalia has no say about anything seems to me. Thugs are in control and are now bringing ships owned by other countries-believe that qualifies as international- controlled by these thugs with hostages aboard. The French at least stood up to them with a hostage situation on a yacht -one person, indeed, died, but they got no ransom. As long as they keep getting money they will continue. They need to be stopped the source and like Smaug pointed out that is not difficult. If they can get our captain aboard one of these other ships they have won. i hope our navy does not allow that to happen- Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 2:40 PM

The most important thing is to get Captain back safe. I am not saying give them money, but they are cornered. When people are cornered they do drastic things. They have sent FBI hostage negotitors to help. They have no where to go they are dead in the water.Sooner or later they will give up. The greater question I don't know, I'll let you solve that one.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 3:06 PM

I suggested before that we get him back and then do what needs to be done-Smaug's solution. If something isn't done, it will continue at an escalated pace. If one of these other ships get to the pirates which the pirates control and our captain gets put on one they are once again calling the shots. Seems like these guys fall into the criminal category and are not attempting to achieve martyr status. That the cannot be negotiated with in the present circumstance is proven by the fact that the crew gave back a captured pirate supposedly to get the captain in return. They took him away. The base needs to be destroyed-Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 3:08 PM

Linda, these pirates come from a country that cannot respond to intl pressure. So the best that can be done is to find an intl consortium to patrol the area for all concerned.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 3:14 PM

I agree. Somalia has no formal government. It is chaos there. Combined with the fact they are in midst of famine and in fighting the likes of which can only be imagined. It is ironic considering the cargo on ship was aid for Africa. I think every ship should have some armed forces on board to ensure safety of crew and cargo. Nato forces maybe - I don't know.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 3:45 PM

The insurance companies oppose the crewman being armed. They feel they will then be liable for any injuries or deaths, The area is too vast to patrol and good luck getting any co- operation from NATO. These pirates have mother ships and operate out of some place which can be targeted ala Smaug. OF course, there is no one to negotiate with in that country so you eliminate the thugs-fail to see what is so difficult about that-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 4:03 PM

I suggest the UN set up in Somalia as soon as we kick them out of NYC. Seems the ransom money has built some posh "digs" for them to occupy-Linda

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 4:14 PM

Negotiating with terroists is like feeding the dog at the table -- it begets more terrorists. Israel has it right.

These attacks are happening hundreds of miles out to sea in international waters. To me it is simple -- international naval force, vessels banned except with permits and GPS locators (fishing, for example), and destroy anything else on sight, as per Iraqi no fly zone in the 90s.

Israel has it right, and it was what we should have done in Iran. 48 hours, or we flatten Tehran. Leaflet the city.

Anyone remember that the Iranian hostages were on a plane the moment Reagan put his hand up to be sworn in? It was adult swim.





collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 4:49 PM

I like your no-cruise zone solution, Smaug.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 6:40 PM

Since the ship owners have insurance, it seems logical to me for them also to pay for armed marshals onboard, as we have on airliners now.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 6:53 PM

That makes sense to me too, Jank- Linda

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 9:07 PM


Since it is only one stretch of ocean, albeit large, it would probably be better to pay for armed escort ships or air cover. Or maybe WWII-style convoys. I can see why they wouldn't want to have civilian cargo ships engaging in combat. It is sort of like how banks instruct tellers not to be heroes....

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 9:13 PM

I just heard on the news that insurance would cost even more for the shipping company if they carried arms onboard (which doesn't make sense to me, but then most stuff doesn't). Also, they said many ports would not let them dock if there are arms onboard.

So I agree with you - an armed convoy must be the only way to make sure the pirates get nowhere near the ship and its cargo and crew.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 10:57 PM


I think the long term solution would be to drain the swamp, in W's term, and have the UN take over these Somali ports.

If the UN wasn't formed for that, I don't know what use it is at all...

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 10th Apr '09 11:40 PM

I am CERTAINLY with you on the UN being totally useless . We could make far better use of the expensive real estate in NYC- Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 11th Apr '09 4:24 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/10/AR2009041003734.html President Obama seems to be wise not to comment but he does have a serious problem. Some of his advisers are telling him to take out the origin sites of the pirates because in the past the US has made it clear in the past it does not negotiate with terrorists. Others are saying the pirates are not terrorists but criminals. He has not hesitated to use the predator drones in Pakistan, but if he goes into Somalia it would be his first action outside of the current "war' area. There are credible reports including one young Canadian that they are training in Somalia to martyr themselves for the cause - Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 11th Apr '09 4:47 PM

Smaug, the UN is useful for humanitarian missions, but not for anything military other than buffer zones and it doesn't do those all too well (e.g., Srebenica).

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 11th Apr '09 5:03 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/07/2484933.htm Seems they aren't very good with distributing the humanitarian stuff either. They can do equally "good" work somewhere else but NYC-Somalia would be ideal-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 2:42 PM

Hooray!! The Captain is safe. Details still sketchy but seems he jumped overboard again. This time is was night and are Navy was ready. They got him on board the Navy ship, opened fire on the lifeboat-killed 3 pirates and captured one. Now it remains to be seen if he will be brought to NYC and tried for piracy. The French have 14 and they are doing it. Thankfully nothing was left to the Impotent UN to handle like debating on another meaningless resolution. Hopefully the impetus is there to wipe out the bases where these guys operate. It will be a Happy Easter for the Captain and his family in Vermont as well as the crew of his ship- Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 2:54 PM


mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 3:19 PM

President Obama seems like a pretty good Commander In Chief to me.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 3:23 PM

He did good-Linda

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 4:59 PM

Linda, You can sure tell we're on a triva website. There is more concern over what's you favorite sandwich and wager token's than the is over one of the greatest rescues in U.S history.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 5:56 PM

Some are interested in sandwiches. I am also but prefer sandwiches with MEAT in them-hence this rescue- Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 6:57 PM

I think most of the kudos go to the Captain himself, Captain Phillips. I think it's a shame that the Navy did not take out the pirates when Captain Phillips escaped before. But he was quickly and easily recaptured as no action was taken to protect him and help him during his courageous attempt at escape.

The Captain put himself in harm's way originally to save the lives of his crew, offering himself as a sacrifice.

And that is what the original Easter was and is all about.

Men of faith and strength and high character have put themselves in the position of danger to save others all through history. Captain Phillips sent word through his wife to thank people for their prayers. And, as is common of many true heroes in the grandest order, he passed the praise off of himself and onto the others who helped with his freedom. But we know a true hero when we see one. Thank God this story ended with the Captain's freedom and saved life.



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 7:05 PM

Excellent view!!!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 7:06 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSLC343356 Guess the next thing will be to blame the US and France if these thugs kill future Americans or Frenchmen. They make it sound like they were peaceful business owners. They are correct though that this one rescue however uplifting will not stop piracy. It is much too lucrative and supports the whole economy in that pitiful country. Bill Clinton sure made a botch of things there. Hope his wife has a better plan. The UN was basically behind setting, the rules that protect the pirates rather than the victims. The President has done much to raise his image on how he dealt with this particular instances. The key wil be what he does next. as the UN will do nothing except probably pass a resolution condemning our actions. Know the world was a simpler place in Jefferson's day but he knew what had to be done and did it-ironic that the name of the ship-Bainbridge- used Linda in this rescue was the guy who lead the Marines in cleaning out the Barbary Pirates. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2jig2WLkao Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 7:13 PM

The Navy Seal sharpshooters were not on the ship when the Captain first jumped off the life boat. They were parachuted in at night 36 hrs before they took the pirates out There were no sharpshooters onh that ship that could have pulled offf the rescue before the Seals got there-Linda The Captain is indeed a hero but in a statement he said he was just a byline and that the Seals were the true heroes and their identity will never be known.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 7:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I6xGCnWjJo Don't like to post just links but this one rather says it all-Linda

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Sun, 12th Apr '09 7:58 PM

Sweet.

I guess it is more accurate to call these sleazeballs criminals than terrorists, since they don't have a "cause" other than money.

Anyway, the US negotiates with anyone that has hostages, it seems, so it is moot either way.

Glad he is safe. Why the heck did we let one 'pirate" live?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 13th Apr '09 6:06 AM

I say send him to Gitmo and let him walk the plank.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Mon, 13th Apr '09 9:38 AM

This am a Congressman from the Black Caucus-Payne I believe-flew to Somalia to see how he could help the country of Somalia and stop the piracy. An insurgency group fired mortars at him. He is on his way back to the US- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 13th Apr '09 1:12 PM

What a waste of taxpayer money.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 18th Apr '09 12:15 PM

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?bfromind=7812&eeid=6516228&_sitecat=1505&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=2&ck=&ch=ne They couldn't be detained because they were not Dutch? The Somali (Gov?) wants funds to give to young men to keep them from becoming pirates? Now we are into bailing out the pirate industry-


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