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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 4:47 PM

WHAT AN INSULT

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/14/homeland-security-warns-rise-right-wing-extremism/ If I had fought in Iraq ot had a loved one who did, I would take this as an insult from that "clueless" woman who chooses not to call acts of terror that but "made made disasters" How dare she target the Veterans? Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 4:51 PM

Nothing surprising there Linda. Months ago I noted that terrorism in the eyes of the Left was bombing abortion clinics. They don't recognize intl terrorism.

I just hope we don't get another rude awakening. The militant Islamists sure are active in the UK.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 5:22 PM

You two should get married.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 5:27 PM

Sorry, Bobo, but the new Director of Homeland Security is concerned about returning veterans committing acts of terror in the US.

FYI she's in over her head.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 5:33 PM

Sara Kuban was the press secretary for the Democratic Senator from Montana. She probably was seeing right wing militia around every tree.



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 9:02 PM

I would tell you what I really think of Dept. of Homeland Security, but I second thought no. First of all we should not have one we have other agencies that should be doing their job. Another police action at the cost of tax payers to further eliminate our civil rights. Homeland security indeed or they should be called gestapo's if you ask me. Why do we need another government agency? Do they think of the cost of these agencies before the start them. Then we are stuck with them until the end of time.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 9:06 PM

If the U.S. would start enforcing a lot of the laws already on the books, a lot of problems would be solved.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 9:49 PM

Yes Jank, like the gun laws that are already in place. We don't need NEW ones.


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 9:51 PM

Yes, sir. I agree 100%.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.4 - Posts: 848)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 9:53 PM

So I shot 'em with my shooter
say, bang bang bang

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 14th Apr '09 10:00 PM

Yes, and the immigration laws-Linda

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 1:56 AM

Tell me, do the bars in New York still collect for Noraid ? I'm led to believe the police department were usually good for a few dollars, now isn't THAT ironic ?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 5:24 PM

Apparently Homeland Security Director is standing by her outrageous report sent to local law enforcement authorities.

I too am standing by - awaiting her resignation, and I will be writing to my Congressman shortly.

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 6:13 PM

1. Linda, I read the article, and I'm not sure how it directly relates to your anger. Maybe I read it too fast, but I saw nobody characterizing "terrorist acts" as "man [I think you meant] made disasters". DHS apparently did warn about right-wing extremists potentially targeting as recruits returning Iraqi veterans, but I don't see how this entirely plausible assertion is offensive. DHS certainly did not contend that Iraqi veterans would necessarily be attracted to such groups. DHS apparently did suggest that local law enforcement be aware of such recruiting efforts. Should DHS ignore this possibility? There is ample evidence that a small minority of veterans have been involved with right-wing extremist groups, although, as the article says, they have mostly engaged in "rhetorical extremism". Just because you are a veteran doesn't mean you're a saint or above all suspicion. The single most devastating act of domestic terrorism in U.S. histroy was the Murrah Building bombing, and McVeigh was a veteran.

2. Andy, yes, I think bombing clinics where abortions are performed and killing performers of abortions are terrotist acts. I would like to know who on "the Left" does not acknowledge the existence of international terrorism. I think the best you might be able to do in backing up this assertion is finding somebody who would be associated with "the Left" who doesn't restrict their definition of "terrorism" to acts committed by groups or states which the government of the U.S. opposes. Let's have a quote, a cite, a link to support your incredible claim that "the Left" -- or anybody associated with "the Left" -- denies that terrorism exists in the world.

3. Andy, I offer your posts on this topic -- given the actual content of the article -- as additional evidence that your self-description as a "political moderate" is more accurately "self-delusion".

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 6:29 PM

Why is it always the same tub thumping racist, who do not like their president, that shout off about anything which does not suit them?

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 6:38 PM

You Honestly think that if one disagrees with O'Bozo that they're a racist?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 6:52 PM

Felix, Barnie hates me from a thread gone by which I've now forgotten the topic of so I disregard anything he says directed to me. TSK, my anger came from Napolitano's previous statement believe at the time she was confirmed when she would not call acts of terrorist that but chose to say "man made disasters". That just made this release to law enforcement a bit offensive-understand that homegrown terror is a fact though and just because someone is a veteran does not make them a saint. I find this entire renaming although I understand it as a way to distance itself from anything "Bush" by the Obama Administration, silly and an insult most people's intelligence-like changing the name makes it different. Appreciate te fact that even when you don't see things as I do, you say so politely - Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 8:13 PM

TSK, I'm still waiting for your explanation of how American policy is responsible for 9-11.

Your yourself have to be way, way out on the far, far, far left wing to post such.

And to not understand how offensive is Ms. Napolitano's communiqué is further evidence.

Linda hit the nail on the head from the gitgo. It's incredibly insulting.

We're two months into this administration and it's providing evidence of becoming the most divisive ever.

Yes, I'll be asking for Ms. Napolitano's head as a reasonable moderate.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 8:22 PM

And there you go again misquoting me.

Apparently you really don't understand, TSK. For the left the ONLY terrorism of interest is domestic. That's one of the reasons Ms. Napolitano was appointed

And here you are emphasizing Okla City. Bombing abortion clinics is also terrorism; it just happens to be rather inconsequential compared to 9-11, London a few times, Madrid, Bali . . . terrorism that the Obama admin has downgraded.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 10:55 PM

"""Why is it always the same tub thumping racists, who do not like their president, that shout off about anything which does not suit them?"""

Because we are tub-thumping racists. duh....it's self evident. Diagram the sentence.



And, American policy WAS responsible for 9-11. When a bunch of lunatic homicidal nuts got a millionaire behind them, formally and publicly declared "war" on the US, and blew up two of our embassies and a warship, we let them continue to train in an open sanctuary in Afghanistan.

I'm not even going Rep/Dem here, I'm just saying it was a suicidal error to ignore a threat to national security. It is only happenstance they didn't get a suitcase nuke from one of the 'Stans....

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 15th Apr '09 11:16 PM

Wow...what a thread! How intense...how frightening....

"Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to denote not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are closely related to, yet distinct from, the concept of freedom of thought. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech".

The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The ICCPR recognizes the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression". Freedom of speech is recognized in European, inter-American and African regional human rights law."



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 3:33 AM

Smaug, I'm still for TSK's explanation. That isn't his.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 3:34 AM

Smaug, I'm still waiting for TSK's explanation. That isn't his.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 5:56 AM

BTW, Bill, I object to your post. It's way off base.

avdralle
Avdralle  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 57)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 6:15 AM

The original DHS "alert" includes the following statements: ""Rightwing extremism," the report said in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."
"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration,"

Well, I have a simple "Pro Life" bumper sticker on my car, as I am fervent about this cause. (It is right next to my other bumper sticker, which says "I Love Baseball.") I also ALWAYS support the most local authority that can get a job done, like trusting a local school board rather than the federal Department of Education. I'm also a Christian, even a somewhat conservative one.

Suddenly, I'm afraid of the federal government.

- Tony


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 7:56 AM

Just don't put a bumper sticker on your car saying you have a gun-cannot find the source yet but believe it illustrates that Freedom of Speech only applies when the speaker is saying something in line with the current view. A man's speech was interrupted by brick throwing and such at the UNC when he spoke against giving instate tuition fees to illegals-there ya go. Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 8:02 AM

There are many here who feel as you do, Tony, and for the same reasons.

The majority of Americans used to fall into the same categories. That means most of our moms and dads and grandparents, back thousands of years would also be considered right-wing extremists (which would surprise them).

I'm not Catholic, but the Catholic Church is anti-abortion, also. They are also somewhat surprised to suddenly be classified right-wing extremists.

President John Kennedy would be considered a right-wing extremist.

It is only the past few decades that the norm has been called abnormal.

I also certainly don't know when "end times" will be, but the Bible says that in the end times, right will be called wrong and wrong will be called right.





knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 8:30 AM

These reports did not start with Obama, you know. There was a report of extreme right wing groups using the immigration situation as a selling point to join their groups last year - under the Bush administration. There are reports of left wing extremists potentially sabotaging computers. Let's not all get paranoid. I wouldn't put any of the people who have posted here in the extremist category - I'm sure the government feels the same.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 8:50 AM

Karen is correct-the reports began under Bush. Just find it very interesting that although the report talks about Left-Wing extremist groups they are portrayed as rather nonviolent like cyber attacks. The war protesters were usually Left-Wingers and among the most violent- Linda Fox had an interview with Napolitano this am and she said if there was one thing about the report she would like to take out it would be the pro life folks- one of the guys on Fox pointed out he was a Catholic- being extremists. The bombing of abortion clinics is a violent act but just because you are a single issue group does not mean you are violent Seems she was directly involved With the Oklahoma City thin but believe simply because McVeigh was a veteran not fair to insinuate that veterans in general would be extremists. she tried to back off a bit by saying it was not an indictment of anyone-Linda

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 10:05 AM

The bumper sticker I like is a picture of Obama, and next to it it says "Welcome Back, Carter"...

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 1:33 PM

I'd rather not hear about Okla City as an excuse for this ridiculous communiqué because that dog doesn't hunt.

No way to greet our servicemen returning from harrowing missions in the Middle East.

Way out of bounds.

If Napolitano agreed to appear on Fox, then the water around her must be sufficiently hot.

Just call it what it is - pure divisive politics of hate.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 2:06 PM

She said on Fox as a result of direct questions that clearly an apology was owed to the Veterans. She said she is meeting soon with the leaders of Veterans groups Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Apr '09 6:16 AM

Linda, for the past few minutes I have been reviewing online commentary about the ill-advised Napolitano communiqué.

Some have charged that the document is racist insofar as it targets whites and at the exclusion of other groups known to engage in terrorism and violence.

More damning are the following

1. Ms Napolitano limited MSNBC to one question about the matter in an interview yesterday. So much for the openness promised by the new admin.

2. They had no evidence to support the citation of returning veterans as potential threats. None.

So it was blue sky politics of hate.

So where is the new politics candidate Obama promised?

Still waiting.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 6:33 AM

Homeland Security Director appeared on Sunday's Meet the Press which I am just watching now. In response to John King's questioning about her communiqué, she said they wanted to prevent returning soldiers from joining right wing militias and other groups seeking to harm the USA. She cited the Okla City bombing.

BZZZZZZZT!

I'm searching on the Net this morning. I don't see where either McVeigh or Nichols ever joined one of these groups. McVeigh was set off by Waco, in particular by the use of CS gas on women and children there.

BTW hte more I learned about Wa

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 6:38 AM

Homeland Security Director appeared on Sunday's Meet the Press which I am just watching now. In response to John King's questioning about her communiqué regarding veterans, she said they wanted to prevent returning soldiers from joining right wing militias and other groups seeking to harm the USA. She cited the Okla City bombing.

BZZZZZZZT!

I'm searching on the Net this morning. I don't see where either McVeigh or Nichols ever joined one of these groups. McVeigh was set off by Waco, in particular by the use of CS gas on women and children there.


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 6:51 AM

BTW the more I learned about Waco myself I became concerned. I don't think we ever got the straight story on the initial ATF raid (they shot lots of film which we never saw). In the end 80 people, many of them innocent, died at the feet of the federal govt. That does not happen in these United States.

At the time the ATF had been a fledgling agency. There were big changes there after Waco. The FBI totally rethought its hostage crisis methods and three years later just outwaited the Montana Freemen.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 5:00 PM

The FBI has placed domestic terrorist on its most wanted list.

However, it's not a right wing military veteran. Not even close.

It's a left wing animal rights activist Unabomber type.

Too funny!

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 5:27 PM

I read the whole memo and it was pretty incendiary. If you are pro-life, pro-immigration law enforcement, Christian, anti-federal government, and on an on, then you are suspect. What was so priceless was the very first sentence stated there was no evidence at all of any planned attacks.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 5:40 PM

Oh, it was just so obviously partisan.

These folks need to cut out the BS and get important things done.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 5:43 PM

No kidding. Like there aren't more pressing issues in the world than some theoretical terrorism.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 6:54 PM

Amazing. Americans who are most like the founding fathers are now called possible terrorists.

But REAL terrorists are now called man-caused disaster organizers.

Please, please hurry 2010 and 2012.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 6:55 PM

I am sure someone will jump on me for this. All of it sounds like haters to me. You all in your own way sound like a bunch of haters. Remember I am allowed my freedom of speech here. I am quite sure she is sorry for the innane comment. It is not like some of Bush's heads of agencies didn't commit any faux paux's. What about the head of fema and Hurricane Katrina. Anyway I love the way Tsk calmly writes his posts, and usually nails it on the head. He then backs it up with intelligent proof. By the way I happen to know that Tsk is anti imperialism and doesn't necessarily back any political power. Read between the lines folks. If you can get off your high horse, by the way the reference to Carter isn't negative if you ask me. I voted for him, and liked him and he can be considered a right wing extremist.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 6:58 PM

It's not an inane comment.

It is issuance of government warning to law enforcement.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 7:28 PM

IT is okay now as it has become Politically Correct. A Left-Wing animal rights activists who planted some bombs in research sites has been placed on the FBI Most Wanted list right up there with Bin Laden. This guy didn't kill one person but they needed a token. Seems he continues to run against Bush-keeping the options open for investigations of "Enhanced Interrogation" methods after Rahm came out over the week end and specifically said Obama would not and Gibbs said likewise in the press conference yesterday. Felt sorry for old Robert today trying to explain that one. This "team" needs to huddle and get the strategy straight- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 2:42 AM

No, Bobo, Janet is not sorry. She stands by the thrust of her baseless communiqué.

FYI she and her ilk are the haters.


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