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tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 6:06 PM

HI FROM NYC

I am in NYC. I hate driving a bus here. I really do.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 6:19 PM

Get your hands back on the steering wheel!

gypsylady
Gypsylady  (Level: 142.6 - Posts: 6048)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 6:26 PM

Hi Steve! Watch out for the New York drivers! Hope you enjoy your trip! If you did the Easter Egg Logo, it looked great!

Thanks!

Marilyn...

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 9:09 PM

Yikes! I can only imagine, it's rough enough to drive a car in NYC! You're a long way from home...

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 9:24 PM

If you can make it there you'll make it anywhere ...

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 9:30 PM

Nope, believe LA in rush hour might be a bigger challenge-wouldn't try either any more-Linda

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 9:47 PM

Steve.
If you're in town for a while pm me.
Barry

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 11:00 PM


You're probably the bus driver that screamed at me in public and made me repressed about my need for sexual self-gratification.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 11:12 PM

I think you mean compressed.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 11:15 PM

Impressed - he's proud because he's good at it.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.2 - Posts: 3300)
Thu, 16th Apr '09 11:16 PM

I cannot believe that you are here and you didn't tell me you were coming. Drat. And I am leaving tomorrow for New Paltz for the weekend. How long will you be here?

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 10:53 AM

I have escaped and made it home unscathed and only slightly sullied.

We were at an upscale hotel, so naturally, you had to pay $4 for the bottle of water in the room, and swipe a credit card to get Internet access, unlike those cheaper chains that provide both for free...so I went without on general principle.

They have actually improved the parking for buses from last year...there is some. It is still a long way from ideal, but at least tolerable.

LA is nothing compared to NYC. LA traffic is all about the freeways, which can be avoided. The worst of the worst traffic is morning and afternoon rush time in Atlanta. NYC is wall-to-wall interior traffic everywhere. Time Square area is insane 24/7 with tens of thousands of pedestrian and a zillion cabs.

I wish I had seen your note, Barry. I did have to fairly long layover times, unlike last year, when I had none. Next time.

Alice, the same thing. I did not expect to have any free time.

Not me, Smaug. I was busy getting horned and waved at by cabbies because I would flinch when they tried to play chicken. They seem to take it personal when a bus beats them at chicken.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 11:01 AM

Glad you are home safe, Steve. I had my worst driving experiences in Boston and Atlanta back when I was doing traveling by car-never drove a bus or even an SUV though-most likely would have been a disaster. Been in NYC a couple of times but I rode in one of those Cabs with the aggressive drivers - Linda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 5:47 PM

Boston and NYC both, I don't see how there isn't someone killed on each block every hour of every day. No wonder everyone walks - nobody has a car left that will still run after being banged up that many times.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 5:54 PM

I agree, Jank.

New York drivers are just mean.

In Boston they don't know any better.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 6:19 PM

Aw now Jank, you are stereotyping. I can't speak for Boston. I have not driven there. But you know you would not want people doing that to Texas. I say the NYC drivers are aggressive, but not out and out mean on average...a few are, but I can find that everywhere. The yellow cabs are nuts, like a swarm of bees. The black limo cabs are the only people who really cross the line and are often jerks. Most of the regular people seemed programmed to dealing with buses coming around corners, and gave way so the flow continued. The general population on the street were quite polite. I was treated politely and nicely by everyone I talked to whether just conversing or asking directions. As always, the biggest nimrods were the tourists, not the locals. I felt safer walking at night there than in Miami, San Antonio or parts of Chicago.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 6:30 PM

I didn't say they were mean. Col said that.

You said they were insane.

I just said I don't see how....oh, you read it.

swiper
Swiper  (Level: 146.2 - Posts: 874)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 6:51 PM

Since they wasted all that money here on "The Big Dig Project" to improve the driving conditions here in Boston, driving seems worse than it was if that's possible to imagine. Turn the rental back in and take the "T" everywhere if you come here.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 7:05 PM

I didn't say they were insane. I said the Times Square area, which is full of tourists, is insane...as in utter chaos.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 7:12 PM

And because of that insanity, I said I don't see how there's not someone killed on every block, every hour.

bokeelia
Bokeelia  (Level: 187.8 - Posts: 114)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 7:21 PM

c'mon New York aint that bad. I was one of those cab drivers years ago and a nicer bunch of guys you'll never meet. we were always happy to tell you where to go and use hand gestures just in case you didn't understand "New Yorkese"

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 7:48 PM

Now, maybe you can answer a question for me, then. The most intriguing thing about NYC cabbies is that even on Broadway and Times Square, etc., when it's obvious there's lots of traffic and even though your light turned green, you know the next light is going to be red awhile, why do the cabbies FLOOR the accelerator and then SLAM on the brake, block after block after block? I mean, gasoline isn't cheap and it seems like that action wastes a lot of gas.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 8:51 PM

That chaos really manifests itself around Midtown. The rest of Manhattan is heavily congested, but Midtown is congested on steroids and Red Bull. I will note that I never saw an accident in either of my trips. I have to laugh at the horn honkers. It is a $350 fine if you get a honking ticket. Still, a lot of people honk, and having heard 10,000 honks, I am still waiting to see anyone move because of a honk...other than to flip off the honker.

I'll give you two answers.

1. For the most part, that is only a TV/movie scenario. The traffic is so congested that when the light changes, no one moves. Then 5,000 people walk in front of you. Then you crawl through the intersections. It is not an exaggeration to say most lights only let 2-3 cars through per lane.

2. Life in New York is REALLY expensive. These cabbies live out in Brooklyn or Queens because they can't even come close to making enough to live in Manhattan. They are driving like crazy for two reasons...tips and to get as many fares as possible pressed into their shift.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 8:57 PM

A TV scenario? I was there. That's what every single cabbie I rode with did.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 9:25 PM

When were you there that Times Square was not a traffic jam? Dang. I would like to see that...lol.

Maybe they just get giddy when they actually have room to move...or they freak out because they are out of their comfort zone.

I drove through Times Square 3 times on this trip, and it was bumper to bumper and solid pedestrians the whole time.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 9:29 PM

It was spring break 2008. I think it was right after that pipe bomb was thrown by the bicycler. Maybe that's why it wasn't quite so jammed.

bokeelia
Bokeelia  (Level: 187.8 - Posts: 114)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 9:32 PM

it's a numbers game for cabbies. the longer you sit in traffic or at lights the less you make. gas is not a consideration speed is. a good cabby can time the lights from Harlem to Washington Square down 5 ave at off hours and not hit a single light.

nanpaulhus
Nanpaulhus  (Level: 139.0 - Posts: 340)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 11:34 PM

tonight's high school band meeting was about the "four year trip" being to New York - by bus I might add - including tours of upper and lower Manhattan, the Statue of Liberty, the financial district (or what's left of it), a Broadway Play, and a "rush hour" Philharmonic concert...

This is the tour company owner's "Favorite Tour" as he reminded us about five times during his pitch. I'm from Chicago and was never one to be queasy about the city, but you folks have me pausing for a moment and rethinking this permission slip! Well, and the $925.00 cost, which really isn't all that bad for five days/four nights when you think about it.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Apr '09 11:37 PM

Kick in an extra $400 and you can have a 17 minute helicopter tour over the harbor that will be the most awesome 17 minutes of your life. I wouldn't trade it for anything...except world peace.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 6:04 AM

You might be able fly into LaGauardia on the right day and you get that view "for free" -- I don't know if they still have that up-the-East River approach they used to have two decades ago.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.2 - Posts: 3300)
Tue, 21st Apr '09 6:12 AM

Yes, that fly in route is still there. I was on a flight last year that circled for half an hour. The views were almost worth it. We kept looping out to Staten Island, and coming up the East River - again, and again, and again...


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