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summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 12:06 AM

"THE SALTY DOG - GENERAL CHAT ABOUT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING"

I have been a fellow Sploofuser for over two years...and as is everything in life, there have been ups and downs. I have had questions and there were things I didn't understand, but the positives most certainly outweigh the negatives. I don't post on the Salty Dog on a regular basis, but I do read the forum...always with posts of interest, some with more drama than others, but nonetheless we all have a place for open discussion. Certainly I could have submitted a "support request" about the reason for this post, as the editors are always more than willing and able to help, but I wanted to see if any other Sploofus might have input or thoughts.

This is not a "sour grapes" post...I have had my fair share of EAs in the past. However, it is my understanding, quizzes receive an "Editor's Award" for "excellent content and only the most unique and well written quizzes are eligible." It has also been my understanding each individual editor uses his/her own perspective when bestowing an Editor's Award when acknowledging the efforts of the author.

Okay...I know I'm not an editor, nor would I want to be, but after completing my round of taking other player's quizzes tonight, I found I have an issue with the word "unique"...as used in the description of an Editor's Award. Again...not an editor and with the full self-realization my own quiz writing skills are not the best, I need to say - for heaven's sake, there were some great quizzes submitted today! I have only my own skills set and longevity with Sploofus, as resources in making this determination, but these quizzes, which seemingly fit the EA criteria; content, unique and well written, had nary an EA among the lot. However, I've noticed several EAs have been awarded of late to the same player with quizzes of identical subject content. I'm wondering how this meets the standard for uniqueness in the award of an Editor's Award?




rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 3:30 AM

I can't answer why one person's quizzes have recieved a number of EAs recently.
But I wonder if one of the Editors hadn't used any of their allocation of awards and
gave most/all of them to an author they liked.
I think I remember reading sometime in the past that there is a finite number of EAs
available each month.
Therefore my suggestion would be to get your best quizzes entered early in the month.
Hope that's helpful....

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 4:04 AM

Things that make you go Hmmmm!.................. I totally agree.
I have done several quizzes that I felt as if they deserved EA and others that got it and really didnt think it was all that!
And it does seem like the same people get it over & over again!


dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 8:55 AM

It is my belief that the limit on EAs is out of date. Time to evolve. Why should so many brilliant puzzles miss out on acknowledgements, based on the timing of launch? Seems a bit crazy.

During Beta testing days, I was pumping out Trivia Squares all day long. I would spend minimum 3 hours on each one (no joke)
- Choose appropriate "cryptic" picture clues
- Make up clever clues (there is an art to it, because of the limited characters, unlike in 'normal' quizzes
- Find synonyms for each answer and slot them in somewhere
- Generate and regenerate until the clues link together in a way that displays the background picture perfectl

Yes, I know ... Get a life LOL.I boycotted writing them for a long time and have recently started writing them again. Here's why I stopped ...

"Rick,

I had stopped awarding EAs for several reasons; the most compelling being that every SINGLE TS you write is excellent...you've really set a high bar in this category of quizzes, which we are all very impressed with. However, I didn't think it would be fair to award each and every square an EA.

To a lesser degree, I stopped awarding them because I had heard they were not showing up as EAs on the public side, but this may not be the case any more.
BUT!

When editors get the opportunity to go in and do some post-editing on the TSs, I will go in and review yours and reconsider the EAs for some of the more outstanding. With yours, that's a hard distinction to make!

Thank you for contributing to Sploofus!"

Sploofa ... (No, I won't name them)


Ahem, no wonder I blow my own trumpet all the time
1) No chance of ever getting post-editing on the TSs, I have been recently told.
2) I don't care if it goes on my tally - I want a Gold medal if I win the race. EVERY time
3) Do the top prolific quiz authors have to share their EAs too ... not form the look of it

What does everyone think of this? Some of you know what I think

Also, I am sick of hearing from editors that they dislike being 'asked' for an EA by authors, and are reluctant to give them when you do. I spent 4-5 hours, (I KNOW ... LOL) on getting my Ultimate UK IQ quiz just right (so I thought) only to have it returned. I was grateful for the feedback and spent over an hour re-editing the thing. Needless to say, no EA and I have had to explain to several people who sent PMs asking, "Why the heck didn't you get an EA"? If we spend this much time crafting a masterpiece, why should we not be able to ask our EDITOR to give feedback. Is that not what editors (not just here) DO? This is something else, I believe, which needs to be discussed on the Eds message forums.

Editors, keep up thegreat work, but the times are forever changing ... so try to keep up, ok? We all just want to make Sploofus the best experience for all who visit ...

... Don't we?



Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:05 AM

There are over 20 editors editing and we rarely discuss the good quizzes, only the problem ones. So if I give out an EA to a particular author, the other editors have no way of knowing that, unless they are taking a lot of quizzes (and personally, I take very few quizzes these days). So if that author writes 10 good, quality quizzes, they might be seen by 10 different editors and each receive an EA.

Also, when you take a quiz and think it is wonderful, you really have no idea of how many times it might have had to be returned before it was publishable. Lots of errors tends to sour the editor on giving out an EA.

And FYI - each editor can give out 5 EAs per week. If we ever edit an EA-worthy quiz after our limit has been spent, we wait til the next week and give the EA out after the quiz has gone live. But I have never used up all 5 of mine in one week.

We really don't want this process to be a mystery, so I hope this information helps.

Anytime you find a quiz you think should have gotten an EA, you should post it in The Hit List forum! That's like the Players' Choice Awards!

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:07 AM

As a quiz taker, I completely disregard EA's. Because I have taken some amazing quizzes that were not given EA's, and have taken some really mediocre quizzes by chronic EA winners and realized the little blue badge doesn't mean squat. Its all subjective to your editors' points of view and remember, these are really just other players on here. Some people will be given EA's and some people will never be given an EA. Kind of like how some people's posts are deleted and others are left on the boards when each have said the exact same thing. Last I looked, none of the most popular quizzes had an EA. And the little special menu of EA quizzes that are thrust upon us on the homepage? The only time I ever take one is if I happen to see an author who has quizzes that are historically good. Usually, I just disregard it. That spot would be better served if it rotated all sploofus quizzes because frankly, with the way the scrolling through quizzes system works, its difficult to get to the last pages of quiz categories, so many of those quizzes never get taken again.

dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:16 AM

By jingo, Lodi-nator, it's good to have you back!

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:17 AM

Check out these two threads in the Quiz Request forum:

"I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EA"
http://sploofus.com/bbs_detail.sp?post=149138&cID=3

and

QUIZZES WITH LESS THAN 20 TAKERS
http://sploofus.com/bbs_detail.sp?post=146462&cID=3



garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6641)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:28 AM

Thanks sploofizz; great idea.
Just a thought; feel free to ignore it...

People may feel embarassed at blowing their own trumpet; not me -- I've no shame.

why not set up a pm address for the shy. (like we had for the WP)
They can post the names of the quizzes they think merited an EA there.




allena
Allena  (Level: 255.5 - Posts: 1391)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:39 AM

Summertime, EA's are subjective!

Now, what you want is a comment from a quiz taker saying "deserved an EA". These comments are usually heart felt.

EA's effect your score. It is hard to have a quiz rated over 8.4 unless it is an EA.

I totally agree with Dynamite. When you get an errant editor comment, you want to go on strike. I have several times. There is no way to reply or chastise the stupidity of the editor, so you just suffer.

Sploofizz's idea is great.


illiniamy
Illiniamy  (Level: 105.4 - Posts: 67)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 10:35 AM

It is my theory that EAs are frequently given out based on including pictures, rather than the actual quiz content.

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 10:55 AM

Thanks to all who responded to this post, yahoo...I am not alone in my thinking. Trust me when I say my decision to broach the topic was not entered into lightly; selecting "Post Message" was done with great apprehension.

As clarification, I did not ask for enlightenment on the word "unique" because I was having a personal pity party and decided to invite other guests. I was not asking why I didn't receive an EA when quiz takers thought a quiz good enough to prompt the comment "deserved an EA".

THIS POST WAS NOT ABOUT ME...IT WAS ASKED IN THE SPIRIT OF SUPPORT FOR ALL SPLOOFUSERS WHO WORK DILIGENTLY TO PRODUCE A QUALITY AND UNIQUE QUIZ.

dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 11:00 AM

Everything here is subjective
Even the top 10 is a bit BS sometimes. We all know that TV and music quizzes with a difficulty of 1 and 2 will more often than not outdo any 4+ quiz in any other topic. MOST of the time, if a quiz is aced, you get a good score from the taker. If not ...

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.4 - Posts: 3301)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 11:39 AM

I wanted to comment on the Random EA quizzes that are spotlighted on the home page. I'm really glad that they are there. I don't have much time to take quizzes. When I feel like taking some, I first hit the categories I like (and Deedee - yours are among the Food quizzes I take first), and then I look at the EA roundup. No, I don't take them all, but I'll go there to look for ones that sound interesting rather than going to the Most Popular list or the Most Recent list. Even though the award appears to be subjective, I find that I'm more likely to find interesting stuff among that group than in any other single group.

As to the subjective nature of the award - I feel honored to have received so many of them, but I do agree that some of my quizzes that received EAs I feel to be lower in quality to some that did not. Also, since there are different editors reading quizzes, interesting situations result. At one time, I did a series on Fads of Various Decades, and they all got EAs except for one. They were all written the same way. It is a mystery.

But, I have found that when I go to rate an EA quiz, I very rarely click on the button that says "it didn't deserve the EA" or whatever it says. So, not that there aren't other great quizzes, but I do think that the EA quizzes comprise an excellent grouping.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 1:34 PM

The Editors are unpaid. So perks like giving each other meaningless and subjective awards is a small price to pay for having a secret society running Sploofus. With no real or consistent criteria, who cares?

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 2:10 PM

I thought i'd written a couple that were deserving, but who am i to judge ? The odd thing is, the only one i ever got was for a quiz that had a duplicated question in it !!!! I changed it when somebody complained. I get a fair bit of possitive feedback, i'm quite happy with that.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 3:23 PM

I think that there are some very great and unique quizzes out there. Some of them most certainly test my knowledge and memory. Others are so obscure only if you cheat could you get an answer right without guessing. I have learned a great deal from the quizzes. However some of them should get a raspberry, and I'm going to start noticing on old ones how many people took it. Authors, remember the object is for people to take the quiz not how amazingly obscure and clever you are.

dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 7:53 PM

Go to Sploofizz's links, Cloggs. Add 2 of your own quizzes that you thought deserved EAs and they will be included in a tournament in May. Add more by other authors, too.

I recently read this in the "Suggestions" at Report a Bug ...

Just a quick comment. I am grateful to Sploofusaurus for his suggestion today (and his EA!) advising me not to solicit an Editor's Award when I think I've written a quiz that merits one. He indicates that Editors don't like that, instead preferring to pass their own judgment. I'm perfectly fine with that and won't submit similar comments in the future.

But this of course creates the question, why call it "Beg the Editor Her" if that is not indeed what it is for? What the heck else would you write in there?!"

Good comment, Anon!

Like I said before, why should editors NOT be asked to edit? Why should we need to be word-perfect the first time round? Felix is definitely onto something, as have many others been in the past ... I don't think you guys and glams are paranoid. Something fishy has been going on for ages and it is high time something was done about it.

Hmmmm???

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 8:32 PM

1. I have received a high percentage of EAs on my quizzes, but with the exception of maybe 12 -- including, specifically, my first three and two "list" quizzes I wrote to make a point when I was involved in a dispute over an editorial decision -- I think all the others deserved EAs. I literally spend 6 to 20 hours on each quiz. I have been told on several occasions that typos have cost me EAs, and my never before publicly posted opinion on this is I always thought editing involved as one task catching and correcting typos so I agree that in my view, the number of typos would have to be extreme indeed to disqualify one for an EA. I'm sure the editors' response would be that they are unpaid volunteers and that they can edit a lot more quizzes if not correcting typos. In any event, it is extremely rare that I disagree with a decision to award an EA -- in my opinion something like 95% of the selected quizzes do merit their EAs. On the other end, quizzes I thought deserved EAs but didn't get them -- excluding my own -- I would guess i agree with the decision that way as well 90% of the time.

2. Re pictures. At some point, a long while back, I was told that EAs would no longer be awarded to quizzes without accompanying images. I don't know if this was ever really a Sploofus policy. I do know that it caused me to learn how to upload public domain images from the internet. I also know that I have seen EA winning quizzes -- still, from time-to-time -- without an attached image, but it is rare.

3. I am sure that many people consider my quizzes to be unduly obscure, but I really don't write them for a mass audience. I figure there is room on the site for quizzes that do cover more esoteric subjects or are more challenging than the typical quiz. Since I am, in general satisfied with the numbers who take my quizzes, many of whom are repeat takers, I would have to say there is an audience for these types of quizzes too -- indeed, an audience of which I consider myself to be a member.

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 8:55 PM

Alright...I'm going out on a limb here.

Think about high school...and your grades on writing and papers of assorted requirements. College too...

Now read this thread...anything familiar here?

I was an English/Language Arts(in the US, same as English) teacher for 30 years. Have heard every single one of the comments above. They are still valid, but think about it. That's all.

Sun

luvnmexsun
Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 22nd Apr '09 9:29 PM

OK...just been asked in a pm what I mean...try this:

"You mean, like, some teachers grade easy and some grade hard, and you never get the A+ if you make careless mistakes?"

Yes, that's what I mean.

Sun



Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Thu, 23rd Apr '09 1:12 AM

'Unique' is only one aspect of the requirements for earning an EA.

EAs are awarded to the "most well-written" quizzes, and the art of writing (whether a Sploofus quiz, a newspaper article or a full-length novel) includes spelling, punctuation, capitalisation, etc! So if an author can't be bothered to make sure they have those correct before they launch a quiz they shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get an EA!

A quiz that has more than a handful of errors of any type in it is very unlikely to earn an EA because it simply ISN'T "well-written", by definition!

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 23rd Apr '09 1:40 AM

One thing that I think is hard for players is that we only see the finished product. We have no idea how many times it has been sent back and edited. So when we see a quiz that, in the end, turns out fantastic, we are scratching our heads at why it didn't receive an EA.

In my previous sploofus life, I had taken a quiz I felt was outstanding, and as I usually did, left a comment that said "should have received an EA." I got a PM from an editor explaining that this particular quiz writer had sent it in with errors and was argumentative about fixing them and so that's why the quiz wasn't selected. And I said "how are we, the players, supposed to know that? All we see is a lovely quiz." So kind of on the same vein as Sun, when a teacher grades your paper, she doesn't correct it. You get what you get. If instead, each paper was returned and presented as corrected by the teacher, we would think they were all pretty darn good.

I have no solutions - its just an observation. Except maybe quit editing quizzes and give the EA's to the ones which are well written and let the sucky ones fend for themselves.

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Thu, 23rd Apr '09 2:22 AM

When I was in the quiz writing mode, I wrote 184 quizzes, I never received an EA, although I had several comments from takers that some should have done. What annoyed me most, was when an editor accused me of plagerism on a general knowledge quiz LOL. I revamped it, eg I put,( Henry VIII had six wives, who was the third one) instead of (Who was Henry VIII's third wife). I did the same to all the questions, just reworded them, and submitted it as a new quiz, so the same editor was unlikely to see it. It was passed, naturally. How the hell can you plagerise GK. I used to spend hours of my time researching a set of GK quizzes, but not any more, why bother when you get accused of copying someone elses quizzes.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 23rd Apr '09 2:59 AM

Cheers Dyenamite, i'll look into that. I won't be putting any of my own up though........Good grief man, i'm British !!!!!!!

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Thu, 23rd Apr '09 3:33 AM

As mentioned several times in this thread, EAs are subjective to the individual editors. The following are not examples, but actual comments shared with me...and not through the grape vine mode.

Some editors do return quizzes to "some" authors for corrections and/or changes: I want to give your quiz an EA, but please make the following corrections and resubmit.

Some editors do assist "some" authors in "polishing" up a quiz: I want to give your quiz an EA, but a photograph needs to be included; if you don't know how, I will show you.

Do for one, do for all...or not at all.


sherilynn1962
Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.2 - Posts: 372)
Fri, 24th Apr '09 2:08 AM

Hey, Summertime - how'd you get in my house to take a picture of my cat????

dyenamite
Dyenamite  (Level: 49.6 - Posts: 669)
Fri, 24th Apr '09 5:55 AM

Well ... it would seem there are certainly some double standards among a handful editors (STILL) Both in awarding A+ EAs and with also with "constructive" feedback. I mean, I know some authors here who have been suggested edits/additions by certain editors, so that they CAN get an EA for the quiz, because obviously a lot of creative thought and effort went int writing it, and would be a shame not to go the extra degree (Actually, it happened to me once too) But others will tear strips off you for careless spelling or minor grammatical errors. Does this promote a fun environment in which to play? Does it encourage more people to write more often? I think not, peoplez. It still boils down to POWER in some cases. "So ... what DO the editors do"? (Not my question ... it is in another thread)

BTW, Nice thread Dee. Not about anyone in particular. But all of this needed to come out at some stage You get a Dyenamite EA LOL

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 24th Apr '09 6:42 AM

I wish I knew what you folks are talking about.

I have found the editors' occasional requests regarding my quizzes right on the mark.

No problem. They do a very fine job IMO.

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 2:21 PM

Sploofusers who have written a plethora of quizzes on a regular basis are not telling "tales out of school"...why would they?
Some players may wonder what the problem is; especially those who have not submitted a large number of quizzes.

The players who have responded took a risk in doing so, as did I by broaching the topic. I would love to be able to publish the PMs I've received from other players since this thread was posted. There were notes of thanks stating this topic was long overdue in being brought to the table amd many players wrote to express their experiences, but have chosen not to go public.
I understand and respect their wishes to remain anonymous.





caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 9:07 PM

Sure some new editors have joined the pack and that is a good thing. This whole discussion took me way back to my teaching days. As much as i tried NOT to be in that mind set, I would get a certain kid's paper in my hands and already had the preconceived idea that this kid did A work. Think much the same has happened to the editors-quizzes pass them of folks they know who in the past have written excellent ones and they Get the EAs -not a fair shake for newer folks. Know many of the editors have been with Justin from the start but believe uit is about time for some to rotate out and let new people replace them-good for them and good for everyone else. My quiz writing days are past and have had a few EAs but time for new faces in both editing and quiz writing not that the folks who still, write quizzes should stop but they would be looked at with new eyes. Some will be EAs no matter from whose view - Linda

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 10:09 PM

Glad to see you! How's Sasha?

nanpaulhus
Nanpaulhus  (Level: 139.0 - Posts: 340)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 3:02 AM

Wow, I am blown away by this whole discussion. I sure wish more "organizations" ran themselves this way! Actual dialogue about issues without people getting nasty?

Summertime, thank you for starting this thread. I also have this problem and did not know how to handle it. I have pm'd authors with that very message "you should have received an EA". I received one on my very first quiz, and it is indeed an obscure subject. Looking back, I'm shocked at my audacity, but I did spend appx. 8 hours on the research.

Editors, what lovely responses, and how nice to know we have a place to share our feelings on this. I am not being facetious.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 5:54 PM

Edit: "to prepare for publication or public presentation." (Merriam-Webster's)
If it were the writer's job to edit, we wouldn't have Editors.
If we withheld recognition based on how much help a writer got from an Editor, or the pleasantness of a writer, or how many small errors the writer makes, we wouldn't have many novels.
And I'm disappointed to hear any Editor closes out a week with EA's unallocated. There are so many worth quizzes, that seems a lack of generosity.

EA's: I agree, this system of reward and recognition is not functioning. I never had a "handful" of errors. I have lots of takers, good ratings (above 8), comments "you should have got an EA" on a number of quizzes, and over sixty I've written, where I check my facts closely and use various sources and revise sentences for clarity. No EA. So it's like we're rats pressing at the bar for an unpredictable and inconsistent reward.

EA's aside, there is still plenty of reason to enjoy and participate in the site. Like the great members, and some wonderful Editors.



summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Tue, 28th Apr '09 11:35 AM

I just looked at the newest group of quizzes that went live about 10 AM CDT.

I have one thing to say about what I saw - WHAT!?!?

Miriam Webster - Unique
1: being the only one : sole 2 a: being without a like or equal : unequaled b: distinctively characteristic : 3: unusual

I am going to again ask for clarification as to the how the word "unique" is being used in the context of an Editor's Award.



ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 29th Apr '09 3:58 AM

Being one to seldom stray from my shadowy realm, I too am slightly uncomfortable
stepping into the light and adding any comment for fear of spontaneous combustion.

Let me start by saying all of my experiences on Sploofus have been good ones.
I'm very fond of Sploofus, as well as many of the players. I have no issues with any
particular editor; quite the opposite as a matter of fact. I have found all of the editors
to be polite, friendly and (even) helpful.

With that being said, there are existing variables in the present judging system that
need to be addressed to better define what warrants the awarding of an EA.

Is it true that the method employed in the awarding of EAs varies from editor to editor?
If so, why is this the accepted policy? Should there not be a (basic and well defined)
guideline established for all editors to reference when judging a quiz EA worthy?

ie: 1: What is the maximum number on puncutation errors allowed before the
quiz is deemed unworthy of an EA?
2: Are there predetermined percentages used in judging quizzes, in particular
structure and content?
3. Are editors limited to 5 EA awards a week?

As a community we should make suggestions that conclude in a clearer and more
defined judging process. Obviously, this is a topic of interest and I'm fairly confident
the powers that be within Sploofus would welcome any constructive suggestions.

Thats all!


godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Wed, 29th Apr '09 8:17 PM

Are you there? Or are you a pile of smoldering ashes?
If you still have a corporal existence:
Nicely said!. I'm glad you chanced it. So far as I know, no Sploofer has been dragged off in the night and dumped in the swamps. (Right? Am I right??) Hey I haven't been here but a year or so. Maybe it's Watership Down around here and I haven't noticed yet...

Anywho. Beautifully put.

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Sun, 10th May '09 8:13 PM

Bumping up this April thread...another EA thread which was not addressed.

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 13th May '09 12:01 AM

Linda - As a quick follow-up to an earlier response of yours...in particular - " Deedee, you are complaining, but you are up in that top 20 group yourself.")

Summertime (Level: 31.7 - Posts: 337)Wed, 22nd Apr '09 10:55 AM

"This is not a "sour grapes" post...I have had my fair share of EAs in the past. However, it is my understanding, quizzes receive an "Editor's Award" for "excellent content and only the most unique and well written quizzes are eligible." It has also been my understanding each individual editor uses his/her own perspective when bestowing an Editor's Award when acknowledging the efforts of the author. As clarification, I did not ask for enlightenment on the word "unique" because I was having a personal pity party and decided to invite other guests. I was not asking why I didn't receive an EA when quiz takers thought a quiz good enough to prompt the comment "deserved an EA".

"THIS POST WAS NOT ABOUT ME...IT WAS ASKED IN THE SPIRIT OF SUPPORT FOR ALL SPLOOFUSERS WHO WORK DILIGENTLY TO PRODUCE A QUALITY AND UNIQUE QUIZ. "



sploofus
Justin  
Wed, 13th May '09 1:14 PM

The Editors give out EAs when they come across a quiz that is deserving. I stand behind their decisions, I trust their judgment and their integrity.

Justin


godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Wed, 13th May '09 1:29 PM

It's wonderful and excellent to stand with your team.
It's disappointing and negating to all, not to stand with your members, or respond to member repeated and ongoing concerns.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Wed, 13th May '09 1:34 PM

Additionally, the question isn't re a lack of integrity and certainly not a lack of skill or dedication on the part of your Editors. The long standing question has been about a lack of objective criteria for EA's. There's nothing for either members or Editor's upon which to base or support their judgments. When they say they withhold EA's based on things like "needs too much help" or "has a bad attitude" or " isn't unique enough" or whatever...what does that mean? And why do some really great quiz writers have 50, 60, or over 100 quizzes without a single EA?

These questions remain unanswered when you say, "I stand with the Editor's." You continue to leave the Editor's without a leg to stand on.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Wed, 13th May '09 1:53 PM

Summertime when you quoted words of Linda hope you were not talking about me as I never said anything to that effect. For a very long time I had the same issues with the EAs that both you and Godwit do now-no longer write quizzes so does not personally effect me any longer. Stand with you both though and know that folks everywhere get locked into their views and believe some effort could be made to rotate editors out.-plenty of qualified folks here. Afraid you will have no more luck with any changes than I did-things are as they are here-Linda

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 13th May '09 2:20 PM

Plain and simple, Its not a matter of trusting editors. It's a matter of having to trust a policy for judging EAs that don't exist!. Obviously this is an issue that started with and ends with the lack of action by one individual, Justin. This is an issue Justin created and refuses to address. Sad to say, but its as simple as that. It appears he's adopted the cavalier attitude of..."Either play like he wants us to to play or he'll get his ball and go home."

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Wed, 13th May '09 2:28 PM

Well. I've had my say. I appreciate the many members and Editor's who have voiced their opinions and experiences. I have not intended to offend or single out anyone in particular or to imply any person purposely harms anyone else. I'm talking about a problem with the procedures and the system, which I feel is the responsibility of the Founder and Creator. This is a fun, imaginative site with a great community, which deserves quality attention and ongoing upgrade.

I think it's clear from the comments there is definitely an issue and that there has been a sense of concern re the EA system of allocation for some time.

I appreciate Justin that you made a response.

I believe it's valuable for people to have a discussion, leave comments, voice concerns, document issues, and then, there's a point where for the time being there's nothing to be gained in pressing the matter.

Thanks again for the opportunity to speak out, and thanks to everyone who joined in, whatever your position. Thanks to Summertime in particular, and Caramel, for their willingness to provide the platforms for discussion. Summertime this one is your thread so I'm closing up my comments re EA's, with much regards to you for your ongoing participation in issues and games, and your upbeat presence here. It's easy to just go along and enjoy the fruits of a place and then stay silent when voices and opinions are needed. I admire those who are willing to step up to the plate and make their voices heard. Everyone has a right to do that. I hope ya'll have a really good day.

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 13th May '09 3:41 PM

Linda - No it was not you I was referring to at all! Sorry for any misunderstanding. Actually it was Alice "BigBird" that asked why I was complaining about EAs since I was in the top twenty. I added the response to clarify I was not posting the thread for any self-serving reason... sorry to have said it was a quote from you!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Wed, 13th May '09 3:56 PM

NOT a problem. At least you didn't deliberately try to hurt my feelings which is a rarity with many here LOL Love ya-Linda

didb72
Didb72  (Level: 209.6 - Posts: 243)
Wed, 13th May '09 4:21 PM

It is funny how EAs can divide people on the forum. I have just submitted a quiz, I spent two weeks working on it and it is original, I will see whether or not it will get the EA. When I write a quiz about cocktail in two hours I do not expect any EA but when i spent two weeks looking for original info on an original quiz, I may expect slightly more than a pat in the back.
Anyway, there is no perfect system therefore we have to trust the editors and their judgement. If you are not happy about your quiz not being awarded, just send a personal ticket and ask for feedbacks, take everything on board for your next opus and fingers crossed for the next quiz.
On sploofus, there is nothing to win or to lose, it is just fun.


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