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Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 24th Apr '09 1:58 PM


HEAVEN—Emerging from a grueling 90 minutes of cardiovascular exercise and light lifting for tone, Son of God Jesus Christ said Monday that He is "definitely on track" to achieve peak fitness condition for the Second Coming.
"If every eye is going to see Me, and all the tribes of earth are going to wail on account of Me, I think I owe it to them and to Myself to be in the best shape of My life," Christ said. "Right now I'm up to 35 minutes at seven [miles per hour] on the treadmill and benching about 165 [pounds]."
"I'm really starting to feel like I'll have the strength and endurance to move every mountain and island from its place," Christ added.
Since His birthday last Dec. 25, Christ has committed Himself to a demanding daily regimen of exercise and prophecy fulfillment. Each of His workouts, Christ said, starts with an hour of cardio, after which He focuses on two muscle groups, replacing conventional free weights with the Rod of Iron with which He intends to rule all nations.
On Mondays, Christ works His chest and biceps and completes three sets of 10 transfigurations. On Tuesdays, He switches to triceps and abdominals, and passes as many sets of Last Judgments as He can in a minute. Wednesdays are devoted to the back and legs, and Thursdays and Fridays are for core and flexibility.
Even Sabbaths are spent doing yoga, swimming, and basic strength-training isometrics such as push-ups, leg lifts, and chin-ups.
"There can be no day of rest," said Christ, His eyes filled with flaming fire. "Rest is for mortals."
The determined Savior has also forsworn His favorite high-calorie, high-carb foods such as fatted calf, loaves, and even His own body and blood, instead embracing muscle-building high-protein shakes and electrolyte-replacing sports drinks. And when temptation calls, Christ need only look at two pictures taped to His refrigerator: an icon of Himself prior to starting His regimen and a reproduction of Michelangelo's "Last Judgment" fresco torn from a magazine.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 24th Apr '09 1:59 PM

I had posted this at the same time as part two (Cont), but it was accidentally removed.

Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 10:31 AM

Pity that both are not removed.

Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.2 - Posts: 372)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 11:20 AM

To Clever:

Is this a joke or are you serious?

If you are serious, please pick up a bible and read 1 Cor. 15:35-58.

There is no need for Jesus to work out. He is perfect.

Further, when Jesus returns and raises us, be it from the grave or from earth, we will not enter Heaven in mortal bodies. Our bodies will be perfect.

And by the way, Jesus observed EVERY Sabbath while on earth. What in the world would make you even think he would not do so in Heaven?

If it was a joke, well....................

To Barnie:

Considering the fact that everybody else can write pretty much what they would like in The Salty Dog (without violating the TOS), a thread about Jesus (however skewed it may be), is certainly allowed. If it offends you, please feel free to pass it by.

Blessings, and HAPPY SABBATH,


Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 11:53 AM

It is actually an article from The Onion, it was obviously meant for people with a sense of humour. It went down very well elsewhere, and i'm NEVER serious when it comes to religious cults.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 11:56 AM

So you believe Christianity is a religious cult? That makes sense. I guess by definition, an atheist believes all forms of religion are a cult. Except atheism, which in itself is a cult.

And if there really is no God and everything is haphazard and just dumb luck - or dumb lack of luck, that's all well and good.

But what if you're wrong?

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 12:00 PM

I'm not. Even if i were i'd rather rot in hell than worship a cruel and arrogant god. Why do you think christianity isn't a cult ?
1. a specific system of religious worship
2. a sect devoted to the beliefs of a cult
3. devoted attachment to a person, idea, or activity
.....That's why i know it is.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 12:08 PM

The cruel and arrogant one is satan working through man. God is neither cruel nor arrogant. Sinful man is cruel and arrogant by following the evil one.

God is loving and He gave man free choice.

Sinful man chooses to work actions both cruel and arrogant, as tempted by the truly evil and arrogant satan.

And when the day comes that man realizes he is wrong and goes to the loving God for forgiveness, the loving God gives that forgiveness and welcomes him with open arms.

That sinful man wouldn't have the air he breathes were it not for the creation of the loving God.

But you have 100% free choice.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 12:13 PM

And please reconsider the "I'd rather rot in hell" idea. If there really is a God, and He really is loving, that means there really IS a totally evil, cruel satan - and you would be condemning yourself to spend eternity with the very one you hate the most.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 2:12 PM

Hey, i don't hate your imaginary friend. It would be like hating a teddy bear, or some other security blanket, why would i do that?

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 2:15 PM

I have just one question. Christians live with faith in a God we can not see and hope of Christ's soon return, what does an Atheist have? Having Stage IV cancer I could go to sleep very easily right now knowing that the first face I see will be Christ's, but I need time to prepare my teenager for a life with out Mom so I hope to stick around for a bit longer. I am determined and know that I can live happily with whatever time I have left knowing that God is nearby. Tell me (I admit I don't know too much of whatever an Atheist thinks) how you would look at a death that is coming soon. Althought I have explained to my son I can get run over by a truck today or tomorrow and we shouldn't dwell on the time left to me by the cancer. I find this a great conversation to have on Sabbath. Take care and looking forward to hearing from you, Cindy Jo

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 2:19 PM

By the way, i forgot to ask. Did "the evil one" send the tsunami that wiped out so many god fearing people ? If he / she / it did, does that mean that said entity is more powerful than your god ? I say "your" god because of course the muslims..........who also claim to have the only truth......worship completely differently. How do you stand on spina bifida ? Is that one of those "god knows best" things ?

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 2:22 PM

Cindy..... I have just one question. Christians live with faith in a God we can not see and hope of Christ's soon return, what does an Atheist have?

Reality petal, we have reality. What is faith exactly ? Belief in something you have not one scintilla of proof off. Go to the bank tomorrow and offer "faith" as collateral. Your bank manager will laugh too.

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 3:08 PM

Satan is not greater than good, but in the battle between good and evil, Satan is allowed to do some not so very nice things to show that God is fair and not a power hungry tyrannt. (Did I spell that correctly?) We have the power of choice for the same reason.

What is your reality?

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 3:36 PM

Please tell me that you do not believe that life began with a bang. I have look at a beating heart (yes, it did belong to a worm who probably didn't appreciate the pain I was putting it through) under a microscope. I have since looked at a long of human fluids under the microscope and studied how the body works and it is so complicated yet mostly works so simply that no "big bang' could have made it. The world is so beautiful, it couldn't have come from a 'big bang'. We have a God who loves us and shows us his love.

I do respect your beliefs. They are just not for me. Reality without hope? Why are we here?

Have a good one. I need to get back to work. Take care and nice meeting you, Cindy Jo

Ladyvol  (Level: 203.3 - Posts: 5442)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 3:47 PM

Amen CindyJo...

Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 4:06 PM

As a parent of a daughter who was born with spinal bifida, i believe God gave her to me because he knew i would care and give her all the love she needs. God doesnt't make mistakes just gives us trials, to make us stronger. So yes i believe ad i will pray for you because if you beieve there is a hell and a satan then somewhere you must believe there is a God and heaven. Oh and by the way my daughter was not supposed to live past 6 years old and as of March 1st she was 46 years old. charlotte

Sat, 25th Apr '09 4:27 PM

Just remember: It's not Jesus Christ Himself that gave Jesus Christ a bad rep.


Salzypat  (Level: 154.6 - Posts: 5296)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 4:32 PM

Clevercloggs, it might have helped had we known what we were reading. I kept waiting for the punch line. Had I known it was satire, I might have "understood" it better.

Diva305  (Level: 146.0 - Posts: 1643)
Sat, 25th Apr '09 8:41 PM

Just remember......

Jesus was a Jew.

We go Direct!

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 1:48 AM

Well, it's good to chew the fat on these issues isn't it ? I'm not one of these people that want to ban religion, or think everyone who is religious is stupid, this place proves that. I come from a land of heathens, maybe i'm just a lost cause. I can live with that, but only once !!!

Nanpaulhus  (Level: 138.2 - Posts: 338)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 2:48 AM

So, you don't believe in reincarnation, clevercloggs?

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 3:02 AM

Oh Clevercloggs, no one is a lost cause, you are a challenge for us. We just have to work on you some until you see things our way. lol

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 5:58 AM

So, you don't believe in reincarnation, clevercloggs?
Nope. I didn't last time i was here either... As far as "working on me" goes, good luck with that people !!!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 6:50 AM

We are the sum of our experiences, so I know there are things in your life that brought you to your beliefs. I've also seen in life that the same types of experiences can bring people to completely opposite conclusions.

I'm not going to work on you. I'm going above your head to pray that God brings people into your life who can show you the real Jesus in a way that makes you want to run, not walk, to his love for you.

You rock!

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 7:39 AM

Clevercloggs you are going to have so many people praying you!!!

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 7:44 AM

God does work in mysterious ways, even using Sploofus.

Winddancer41  (Level: 63.3 - Posts: 1113)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 11:09 AM

I think you are going to be feeling how real God is because once Gods people start working together you will see how powerful he can be. So i wish you peace, love and most of all God"s blessings. charlotte and all Gods people said amen!!!!

Zeedee  (Level: 222.3 - Posts: 1088)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 12:03 PM

Re: "Reality petal, we have reality."

What does "petal" mean in that sentence? Just curious.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 1:28 PM

"Petal" is a term of endearment, a bit like some people say "flower" or "sweetie".I find the idea of people praying for me quite sweet, if a tad bizarre. I really am very happy with my life as an atheist though, and content to make the most of this life............and then hand in my chips. I'm a firm believer in the cycle of life. One is born, and is then nourished by the fruits of this Earth, then one completes the cycle by returning to the Earth. I hope expressing my views doesn't upset anybody too much, but i can't promise i'll stop, it's who i am. Dave

Avdralle  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 57)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 3:34 PM

The only reason for posting the original message in this thread is to derive amusement, satisfaction, enjoyment, ...whatever, at the expense of others and their beliefs, to mock them, to make fun of them, so that you and others who believe as you do can get a laugh out of how foolish others are. I'm glad these are some of the fruits you've extracted from the earth to which you'll return some day.

Meanwhile, I say a silent prayer for your well being, including the hope that no one tries to hurt you as you do others.

Diva305  (Level: 146.0 - Posts: 1643)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 3:45 PM

"I'm a firm believer in the cycle of life. One is born, and is then nourished by the fruits of this Earth, then one completes the cycle by returning to the Earth."

But you don't believe in reincarnation or a "Spirit"?

Oh least you don't believe in 72 Virgins.

To each his own.


Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 3:56 PM

Cloggs is ok. Over the years I have known a few Atheists and can't remember too many negatives about them as individuals. I HAVE met more than a few phony people who have claimed to be Christians. These same "Christians" have been known to stick their religion in someones face and mock their non-belief. Different strokes, etc.

Salzypat  (Level: 154.6 - Posts: 5296)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 4:20 PM

Avdralle I don't really see Clevercloggs as being mean and hurtful. He's being honest with his feelings.

Did you ever consider that this post has now hundreds of people praying for him who would never have really known about his beliefs had he not posted this.

God does work in mysterious ways!!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 4:50 PM

Don - how do you know Cloggs is ok?

There's a reason he found this particular Onion mocking of our Savior as something important enough to him to post here.

You don't know if he's ok or not.

No one knows if another is ok or not. That is between that human and.....him/herself in the dead of night - in the darkness, where we are who we truly are, with no masks.

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 5:50 PM

1.I liked being called a Petal.It was sweet. At 51 years old, I'll take what I can

2. No matter what Clogg's intentions were when he first posted we have had a great conversation going with no one going hyper and I have learned things and met people that I might never have met otherwise and we have a whole bunch of people praying for Clogg.

3. I am looking for more conversations with Clogg.

Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.2 - Posts: 372)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 6:11 PM

Amen, Cindyjo!!

And the power of prayer does work wonders!

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 8:56 PM

Janks, Cloggs IS ok. His opinions are his and he has a right to express them even if they are meant to antagonize. I have posted to the Salty Dog on a few occasions and some members of this fine site were ready to have me tarred and feathered but I still had the right to do it. (and I think I am ok). I once posted a Jesus joke that lasted all of 5 minutes before it was deleted by Justin. I admit it was a little over the top but it WAS funny. I will PM it to you if you want.
I prefer to read posts like Cloggs rather than the "say a prayer for me---I'm having my nose pierced", or the now too common links to another site. Oh yeah Janks, you're ok too.
Onward and upward

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 9:10 PM

Don - you're cool.

But I draw the line at you making fun of others with real needs asking for honest prayer. There are people with cancer here, there are people with deeper hurts than you or I can imagine. Everyone here has some kind of battle in their life, whether they have the "audacity of hope" to ask for others to join in prayer, or whether they just don't want to share their pain with others for fear of being belittled or out and out ridiculed.

I'd rather you not belittle their request for prayer with a "piercing nose" comment.

And if there really IS a God, the Bible says, "Where two or three are gathered, there I am in the midst." That's true for prayer, even if we're not joined in each other's presence.

I'm sorry you've never seen the results of people praying together. And I'm so glad God has somehow seen fit to honor this old sinner with not only the sight of someone being healed but of being healed myself.

I was present when God healed a lady of MS - that was 20 years ago, and she is still healed. God healed my foot when it was broken within 8 hours of prayer for healing - and it wasn't even me doing the praying.

And that doesn't even count the times we've prayed for someone to be comforted in their pain and sorrow.

I don't know why God healed my foot. I'm nobody but a sinner forgiven by God. I'm someone who still screws up all the time, but still loves and respects the Father and is very aware of His love for me and His help every day. Who still has faith and hope.

I've seen the power of God's answers to prayer. I wish everyone knew firsthand and knew without a doubt that there is a God who loves them desperately.

But obviously many don't believe.

But please don't belittle those who do. You might be wrong.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 9:55 PM

Who's belittling? I simply stated my preference in the forums. And please don't confuse my comments as non-believing. You seem to be reading things that aren't there. I believe in God. I DO have issues with the Bible but not believing the Bible doesn't mean I do not recognize a higher being. God has much bigger things to worry about than us as individuals. If he does ever get caught up he might find time to work on my knees. Oh! I shouldn't have said that! Sorry Jank but when it comes to humor I don't draw lines. Want to hear some real religious humor? Talk to a priest. They can tell some good ones.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 10:04 PM

See, I believe you have it 180 degrees backward. Jesus died for us because individuals ARE the most important thing to God.

In fact, the Bible is full of God telling us individuals ARE the most important thing to Him.

He would not have sacrificed His only begotten Son unless we are the most important thing to Him.

The sacrifice of Jesus for us is mentioned all the way back to Genesis. All of God's Word is about individuals and God's love for them. And for us. Your knees, included.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 10:22 PM

Well Jank, the Bible begins with Genesis and ends with Revelations. I have issues with both. Obviously you believe in Creation and the four horsemen, etc and I respect that but I can't quite get into it so Biblical quotes and examples aren't really effective arguments to me. Why is it that I can respect your views and you can condemn mine? I am going to give you the last word here so jump on it.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 10:26 PM

I also believe you have that 180 degrees backward. I think we have been respectful of your beliefs and your "nose piercing" comment was disrespectful to ours.

Mitchy  (Level: 129.4 - Posts: 964)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 11:31 PM

Sherilynn, You are so right about "THE POWER OF PRAYER". I believe in that with all my heart & soul. (i've seen it) Thank you for posting that.

"There are people with deeper hurts than you or I can imagine". Janice, Thank you so much for that because..... I am one of those people.

What is the ILLUSION?
or my REALITY?
It's one of those days when......................
BUT YOU'RE ALL ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
With or Without Drugs,
Live The Nightmare,
Suffer The Consequences,
Die ALONE............
"I hurt myself so you can't"



TO FORGET........
"Misery Loves Company"

These are my true feelings and it is very much how I feel . I am told it's not good to feel like this, but it's all I know!

Thanx for listening.....................

Fudypatootie  (Level: 194.9 - Posts: 1302)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 11:44 PM

Clevercloggs, you are indeed clever and have a right to your atheism. Just remember that a god who can be understood is no God.

Mitchy, I'm praying for you, girl!!!!

Salzypat  (Level: 154.6 - Posts: 5296)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 1:17 AM

Donden (and Clevercloggs if you want to listen in), you can get too tied up in trying to understand the whole Bible.

In my opinion, there are 3 things you need to believe from the Bible:

1. Jesus died on the cross and arose on the third day. Belief in him and his resurrection is the only way to be saved.

2. God cares for the sparrows and the lilies of the field. How much more must he care for us?

3. We are told to love others as ourselves and to see Christ in others.

I believe if we do those things, we will be OK. Understanding the rest of the Bible may or may not come to you. You can use a lot more words to say what I said in these 3 statements, but it doesn't change the meaning.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 4:08 AM

Well this is really all rather interesting, i thank you all for your input. I don't regard posting a satirical article as intending to deeply insult anyone. If something so trivial upsets your belief system so much, well. What the religious need to understand, and this is all the more relevant to muslims, i do not need to show any reverance at all to something that i believe is little more than fiction.
I don't expect anyone here to feel passionately about things that i feel passionate about, and i certainly won't tell you you'll suffer for all eternity because you don't believe what i believe. There have been times in my life when belief in a god would have been benefitial, an aid in times of hardship. I'm a recovering alcoholic and addict, i know a bit about spiritual malfunctions. The point is that i cannot, perhaps will not, allow myself to believe in anything for which there is not one scintilla of proof. Indeed, i would suggest there are mountains of circumstantial eveidence that disproves the existence of a caring and omnipotent supernatural being.
I appreciate the people that are willing to discuss this, and not paint me as the anti christ. If you are as certain of your beliefs as i am of mine, you won't care what an overweight balding British heretic has to say about your lord. I will confess that posting the lyrics to "What If God Was One Of Us" in a Ker-Blunk was a tad OTT, but i'd received one or two nasty emails, and i reacted accordingly. If there is too much concern about it i will remove it. Of course, it was passed by the editors.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 6:46 AM

I guess it's always interesting that no one would dare write or post things like that mocking Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism, etc. It's only about Christianity and Judaism that people feel so free to say any mocking thing they like.

A few years ago when a cartoon about Islam was in a European newspaper, riots broke out and lives were threatened.

But Christians are expected to sit back, remain quiet, and take any horrible thing anyone says about Christianity or about Jesus, our Savior.

And yet, you find in this thread words written of God's love for the mocker and of other Christians' care and concern for the mocker.

We're not so concerned with the mocking words as the pain of a heart that would find any kind of entertainment in such mocking.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 7:06 AM

Well i live in a land of creeping islamification, and acceptence by some of sharia law, and i can assure you i'm even less popular among muslims. I can understand why all things christian hold a place deep in your heart, and you act accordingly. Surely you can see that it means absolutely nothing to me, so i act accordingly too. I certainly hope we can discuss these things without people taking it personally. By the way, there is nothing wrong with my heart at all. I work voluntarily in a detox, and never miss the chance to make a fool of myself for charity. I'm not blowing my own trumpet, i'm just making the point that even we heretics can have compassion for others. Dave

Davidf  (Level: 102.1 - Posts: 746)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 8:41 AM

If Jesus comes back, I am not sure that he will be impressed with a) war b) anti altruism in the guise of altruism and c) the last three Star Wars movies

Cindyjo422  (Level: 97.4 - Posts: 43)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 9:40 AM

I feel like this is turning into an anti-Clogg thread. I believe in the right to believe in what you believe in. It doesn't mean I won't pray for that individual. A pastor of mine said love brings people to God not pushy people. I don't think we should make fun of a religion although I like a good joke as long as it's not mean. I know some really good ones for my religion that others in my religion might not care for. (Seventh Day Adventist) As far as why we don't see anti other religion threads maybe be because of it's not PC at this moment.

Clogg and we all have freedom of speech. I believe in our freedoms after spending several years in the military I know that freedom was bought with blood, but at the same time there is a saying "don't say anything if you can say it nice" or maybe I should say say" nicely".

Clogg may have been looking to start up a good rousing discussion. Doesn't mean he was looking to make trouble. I may have kept it from getting "rousing". Sorry Clogg lol

Have a good day everyone, Cindy Jo PS I hope I didn't rambleon too much. Still waiting for the coffee to perk.

Caramel1  (Level: 126.1 - Posts: 21559)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 9:51 AM

Whatever gives people comfort is a good thing as we all have times when we need that. I simply take issue with using the King James version of the Bible as factual-Catholics use a different version as do the Jehovah Witness people and the Mormons have a supplement book. Jewish people don't accept it nor do the majority of religions of the world. It would be like me in my political posts citing a "BLOG"-ask Penn. People are offended by the "In your Face' thing by anyone no matter what they believe or do not believe. Yes, Don, priests do tell hilarious jokes but somehow nuns don't seem to find most things humorous. Okay, ready to be bashed now- Linda

Avdralle  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 57)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 11:56 AM

The RIGHT to enjoy and disseminate the sort of humor which started this thread is unquestioned. (Well, at least in western nations. Try publishing something like that about the Prophet in an Islamic nation and see how long you keep your head.)

My point has been that the references to Jesus Christ therein seem to be mocking, rather than purely humorous, although I agree that which is which is in the eye of the beholder. I've just learned, as a life-long Catholic, to live with that sort of thing, expressing mild protest when I find it offensive but not taking it very seriously or paying much attention to its author about that subject or any other. I understand that Christian- and Catholic-bashing is the last acceptable form of prejudice.

Salzypat  (Level: 154.6 - Posts: 5296)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 1:28 PM

I would like to give Clevercloggs a pat on the back for his responses. He has come under some rather serious criticism for his post but his responses have been civil and quite understanding given the differences in opinions.

I hate to be too positive because in other posts when I've done that, someone comes along and starts an all-out battle. It seems to me as though everyone has handled this conversation quite responsibly and respectfully.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 2:06 PM

At the end of the day everyone's opinion is valid. I really don't mind people getting a bit steamed up in defence of their mythology. I must say i've had a lot of "private" support from people who "don't want to get involved", that should tell you something.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 4:10 PM

Well, here's some public support, but I don't want to get involved, either.

People believe what they need and vice versa, and it's best not to mess with that unless they're messing with you.

Then all bets are off.

Nanpaulhus  (Level: 138.2 - Posts: 338)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 5:13 PM


I like sarcasm, and I didn't mind the post at all. I think I like you - you are definitely witty, which is a plus in my book. Here is my question. You said at the end you would hand in your chips.

To whom will you be handing them?

Nanpaulhus  (Level: 138.2 - Posts: 338)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 5:18 PM

Okay, I just read my own post and it sounded really mean, and I'm not a mean person. I don't think. Well, ask my kids, they know. I really am curious, Dave. LOL You said that like there was someone you would be handing them to, it just kinda hit me... hand them in ? to .. who? when I read it.


Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 6:21 PM

To ME obviously Nancy.


Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 6:44 PM

David - I believe in God, and I believe He is all wisdom and all caring.

But I can't see Him caring much for those last 3 Star Wars movies, either. But I'm guessing He chuckled at the first 3. Or at least the first 2. Which is to say Episodes 4 and 5. He understands what I mean.

And God promises to love and forgive George Lucas - God's mercy probably even covers that unfortunate JarJar thing.

Nanpaulhus  (Level: 138.2 - Posts: 338)
Mon, 27th Apr '09 7:44 PM

Sorry, Your Royal Highness. It's the morontin, I mean neruontin. I'm on a large dose and my memory's gone to the dogs. Sigh. Please do forgive!

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Tue, 28th Apr '09 5:51 AM

They are metaphorical chips obviously !!!!!!!!! Now i've written "chips" i'm going to have to eat some, i hope you're happy now.

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