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Caramel1  (Level: 135.0 - Posts: 21587)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 4:37 PM


Have been reading the Christian/anti one and have no real comment on that one. I was baptized in the Catholic Church and attended their schools and gave my kids the foundation that they recommend. What my kids do or do not do is up to them I no longer practice any religion but believe wherever one finds comfort be it religion, family, or friends is a positive thing.

Could be very wrong on this but my observation has been that those who practice the Jewish Faith pretty much always remain Jewish at least in some core belief. I have heard many talk about Jews like they were a Race of people when they people who have a common faith not a common ethnic background seems to me. Seems like Muslims seldom convert to another religion either whereas Christians go from church to church. Don't mean this as a condemnation in any way just an observation that I certainly welcome enlightenment concerning.

Now for my REAL question. Are we also creatures of our generational political views? If we are why the heck all the money spent on the lobbyists and campaigning?

Not saying any of this as a statement of fact as don't see how any of it is provable or not just something that interests me- Linda

Cujgie  (Level: 182.1 - Posts: 754)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 5:30 PM

It's been my experience that those who were born and raised in a Christian church body continue to call themselves Christian later, even if they don't attend church any longer. I don't know of many people who "witch sides" and go from Christian to Jewish or from Muslim to Christian or from Hindi to Jewish. What you started out as is usually what you continue to claim to be in some way, shape, or form. That's why all the proseltyzing -- to capture those who are wavering or who aren't solid church members somewhere.

I registered to vote for the first time back when the rocks were still cooling, and registered Republican, since my parents were that and, in fact, the village and county were also Republican. No one in their right mind would vote Democrat, I thought. Years later, I vote for the person, not the party, so certainly the lobbyists et al. are very interested in me (and all the others like me who had a similar experience).

Doesn't Jewishness come through the female line, so if your mother is Jewish, you are considered to be one too.

Cujgie  (Level: 182.1 - Posts: 754)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 5:36 PM

"switch sides"

Bigbird  (Level: 249.0 - Posts: 3337)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 5:43 PM

I think that however you were brought up is always deeply ingrained. My mother-in-law was raised in a fairly religious Jewish family, but converted to Christian Science when she was about 16. She even changed her name from Esther to Eleanor. However, she was always pleased to comment that so-and-so was a "Jewish fellow", and complained when the food she was served (usually at my house) didn't taste Jewish.

I, on the other hand was brought up in a completely non-religious Jewish home. In fact, at one point, my mother was considering sending me to an Ethical Culture Sunday School - not sure why it never happened. And, despite the fact that we always had a Christmas tree, I identify culturally as Jewish. My mother would be amazed that our Passover Seder is a pretty big deal in my life. I do think that there is a difference between the religion and the culture.

I don't know what any of this has to do with politics, however.

Caramel1  (Level: 135.0 - Posts: 21587)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 6:10 PM

Don't know for sure, Alice, but do know the political parties have done a several about-faces throughout the years. From what I am gathering the two major parties do consider religion as some kind of pretty much solid voting block although that too has changed. I have never quite understood why people of the Jewish Faith by poll seem to vote Democratic when that party has so many liberal thinkers who seem to oppose Israel. The really rich Catholic voters seem to be Democratic voters although the Republican Party is currently touted as the party of Corporate America-heard it said when you are rich enough you can afford to be very liberal on all things. The rather poor Catholics seem to be considered Democratic voters as well. Perhaps American Jewish people are somehow removed from Israel -don't know that is why I asked. Know the current Republican Party generally is endorsed by the Fundamentalist Christians even though many people with Conservative views on many issues are not Fundamentalist Christians-don't know why I am curious-Linda

Collioure  (Level: 113.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 6:32 PM

Don't forget those papers you sign when you marry a Catholic - a promise to raise your children Catholic.

This "rule" about one's mother being Jewish can have similar consequences.

Caramel1  (Level: 135.0 - Posts: 21587)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 7:04 PM

Garrybl  (Level: 291.5 - Posts: 6769)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 8:19 PM

You are right about most Jews (including me) considering themselves (ourselves) culturally Jewish in almost every respect despite not believing.

I wonder how much it had to do with the fact that a hundred years ago you were considered Jewish by others no matter what religion you practised if you were born Jewish. So out of cussedness Jews then stayed Jewish when they weere free to let it go.

Even a generation down the line most people botrn of non-observant Jewish parents seem to keep some link to Judaism; also perhaps because Christianity is the default you dont have to hold on to it so hard in Europe/America.

Bigbird  (Level: 249.0 - Posts: 3337)
Sun, 26th Apr '09 11:15 PM

Linda - The community in which I live has changed over the years, so that it is now heavily Orthodox. The Jewish Orthodox population around here tends to be staunchly conservative - just as conservative as Southern Baptists.

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