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Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 20th May '09 3:29 PM

The Catholic Church was aware long-term sex offenders were repeatedly abusing children while working in Ireland's church and state-run institutions, a damning report has revealed.
The Child Abuse Commission detailed a catalogue of disturbing and chronic sexual, physical and emotional abuse inflicted on thousands of disadvantaged, neglected and abandoned children by both religious and lay staff over the last 70 years.

Collioure  (Level: 115.2 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 20th May '09 4:03 PM

No, Dave, it's an institutional problem of the Catholic Church.

I will ask Odile how it's being dealt with in this century.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 20th May '09 4:39 PM

You will of course have noticed that these CRIMES were committed until quite recently. It must also be noted that priests are still committing similar offenses today.

Collioure  (Level: 115.2 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 20th May '09 5:14 PM

Dave, I understand that you do not like the Church. The Church has this problem which it has not dealt with very well even yet.

Nevertheless down through the centuries on balance it has been a force for good and one of the pillars of the success of Western civilization.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Wed, 20th May '09 7:36 PM

There are no excuses for these crimes. I believe the full weight of the law should be used against them.

Now - everybody hates when i don't show my Christian, forgiving, loving self.

But personally, I don't have much of a forgiving, loving self when it comes to anybody who would hurt a child in ANY way, and especially sexually.

I think those who abused the children should have their privates chopped up and forced fed to them, right before they are capitally punished.

But that's just me. I think any and all who would sexually abuse a child have chosen to lose their right to breathe air.

(I would say they should be waterboarded, but that's just mixing topics. And personally, waterboarding isn't torturous enough for anyone who would hurt a child in any way. And i do mean ANY child)

Oogie54  (Level: 210.7 - Posts: 1120)
Wed, 20th May '09 9:11 PM

But,just think how successful the Inquisition was....

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2297)
Wed, 20th May '09 9:20 PM

There was a report about this on NPR today. What a mess. Kids that had been been isolated and abused for years. Probably the tip of the iceberg. Geez.

This isn't about religion; it's about abuse. Let's try to keep those things apart (or can we)?

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 21st May '09 1:48 AM

In this instance it is impossible to seperate the church from abuse. One has to understand just how influential the church was in all aspects of society. The courts dare not stand up to the weight of the catholic church.

Madamec8  (Level: 85.9 - Posts: 897)
Thu, 21st May '09 2:12 AM

By what measure has the Catholic church been a force for good in the western world? I challenge the premise that it has. Perhaps it has been a political force. The abuse of any person, particularly a child, covered up to protect the church ... trumps everything else. We can point to individual acts of honor and love and kindness by the clergy -- but I dare say, they'd be the same inside or outside the religion.

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6644)
Thu, 21st May '09 4:39 AM

Why abuse seems more prevalent in the Catholic Church than other faiths, IMO, is not so much a scandal as it isagainst the law of nature.
The clergy should be allowed to marry; if not that at least have sex. They're doing already! Perhaps, then they predilections would be more inclined to not abuse children.

Collioure  (Level: 115.2 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 21st May '09 4:53 AM

Well, Colleen, I'm sure you're not old enough to remember the Middle Ages, but I'm might be. And then there was the last Pope. I live in a country in which the Church was very prominent for centuries - a wonderful country with wonderful people who have wonderful habits. It's not an accident. Western Civilization, rather Christian, leads the world. It's not an accident either.

The Church has made grave mistakes as well, but on balance the result is rather positive IMO.

(and please remember - I'm NOT religious)

Oldcougar  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 1935)
Thu, 21st May '09 5:35 AM

Vancouver Island had several terrible scandals involving abuse of children involving both the Catholic Church & the United Church, come to light in recent years. Same sort of thing, higher ups knew it was happening but chose to cover it up. Disgusting. Many of these children were First Nation kids who were removed from their homes for their own good, in order to Christianize them. I once had a conversation where I worked (a motor vehicle branch) with a 50 year old man I was helping with his insurance about the abuse he had suffered at a residential school. After all that time, he broke down in tears, the pain never stops. Several priests & a minister were charged but they received paltry sentences due to their age. Small compensation to the hundreds of lives they destroyed. No matter the age or health of the perpetrator they should spent the rest of their lives in jail, no parole & I don't think this way about any other criminals except serial killers.

Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Thu, 21st May '09 5:51 AM

The church, in all forms, have been the cause of all of the worlds troubles. I defy anyone to try to justify what these bastards, supposed pillars of the community, have done to these children, and this has been going on for centuries, no doubt. Of course. it could not possibly the fault of the church, therefore our pillars of society, the sick bastards, have to cover it up.

Mplaw51  (Level: 184.8 - Posts: 1581)
Thu, 21st May '09 6:16 AM

It's a stain on any religion that has pedophiles. The catholic religion in particular has been hit hard. The decision to transfer any priest they discovered had molested a child is barbaric. An unsuspecting parish would have a monster in its midst. It's taken years for the church to understand that the law must prevail for these individuals who defiled young people and ruined lives. It's a monstrous cover-up and there will be hell to pay come Judgement Day. Hell is too good for them....

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Thu, 21st May '09 8:06 AM

And I think we would be remiss to mention that there are some who are pedophiles and mentally ill who are not Christian, are not religious, who specifically enter the priesthood (or work at a daycare?) for the ONLY reason of having a steady supply of victims. It's a sick, twisted, horrible human being who would perpetrate such a con game and purposely USE any religious organization/church and their precepts of love and acceptance and belief in the forgiveness and salvation of man against children, but there are those who have.

Now, the percentage of those horrible human beings is low, and the church is huge in numbers, but the horrendous obviously gets the news, not so much those who go about the real work of God helping people. Of course the church or those who are truly Christian or who truly love God have done tremendous work on earth to help others. No organized group is more charitable toward the poor and needy.

However, if we had done more, welfare would not and would need not exist. God charged Christians with the care of the poor, needy, and children.

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