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bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 22nd May '09 3:55 PM

I WANT MY MONEY BACK!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Liberty_U_bans_Democrats.html?showall

Now that's just too extreme to be true.

toddhoff
Toddhoff  (Level: 52.2 - Posts: 37)
Fri, 22nd May '09 5:04 PM

And this affects you or me how???

toddhoff
Toddhoff  (Level: 52.2 - Posts: 37)
Fri, 22nd May '09 5:19 PM

Did you also complain when ROTC was kicked off of college campuses across the US?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 23rd May '09 7:57 AM

It affect me because it's stupid and xenophobic.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sat, 23rd May '09 8:02 AM

In the "World's greatest Democracy"

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 23rd May '09 8:07 AM

Hi Rowlanda, can you believe it's happening in the 21st century? It's truly sick. I wish people would stop perpetrating myths.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 23rd May '09 8:20 AM

If you think about it it's a very liberal stance. No more outrageous than San Francisco deciding which US laws to enforce (or not enforce). Freedom to choose in the greatest country on earth, rocks!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 23rd May '09 8:24 AM

There is a huge difference between getting kicked out for a falsehod and being in a deficit. Don't you think?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 23rd May '09 8:26 AM

If there is truly a God, and the Bible is really real, it's not a falsehood. It's a Christian university and they have beliefs based on the Bible, as is their right.

If you do not believe in God, don't go there, and it won't bother you.

The fact that you don't believe something, though, doesn't mean you're correct.

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 192.9 - Posts: 1025)
Sat, 23rd May '09 8:49 AM


I like pie.



goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Sat, 23rd May '09 9:07 AM

Maybe they should change the name?

"Liberty is a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will."



bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 23rd May '09 9:21 AM

Yes, I agree Sherall how about University of No Liberty?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 23rd May '09 1:42 PM

Before you attack any act of this university, it would be prudent to look at the webpage, which would render the entire purpose of this thread powerless:

"Founded in 1971, LU is an independent, fundamentalist Baptist university located in Lynchburg, Virginia."

It was started by Jerry Falwell. Its sole purpose of existence is to train preachers and missionaries - their purpose is not and never has been the same as other universities. It exists to prepare people to teach the beliefs of the Bible. Therefore, they have every right to exclude from their campus $$ and support a group that teaches something that goes against the very foundation beliefs of the university.

"WASHINGTON - Liberty University will no longer recognize its campus Democratic Party club because its parent organization stands against the conservative Christian school's moral principles.The club, which has about 30 members, will no longer be able to use Liberty's name, hold on-campus meetings, or be eligible for student activities money."

BTW, Oprah has honored LU students on her show for their work in Uganda.



smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 23rd May '09 2:22 PM

Funny, I actually attended that university through a twist of fate for one semester. I found their views on the Bible so far from my own that I dropped out of the Bible class, finished the others (history, etc.) and never went back. The rest of the classes weren't too bad, but it doesn't surprise me. If you knew more about what they were teaching there, mindless drivel, you would expect something like this to occur. Sorry if that offended anyone. That's my two cents, I don't want any nasty replies from supporters.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 23rd May '09 3:00 PM

Just as a siude note: Oprah has said it is wonderful to be rich and have a private jet-she can say that though LOL Depends on many things what you can say or print...

btsyshsbnd
Btsyshsbnd  (Level: 73.3 - Posts: 61)
Sat, 23rd May '09 4:10 PM

If they are truly a privately funded university that doesn’t receive any state or federal funding then I say they can do what they want no matter how hypocritical or narrow minded.


mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sat, 23rd May '09 4:44 PM


Honor roll students from Liberty U?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thk20h1lmVg

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 23rd May '09 6:37 PM

That was funny bojangles. Let Jerry Falwell and his right to lifers have their University. It certainly represents a distinct minority as do some of the comments on this thread. I think it is ignorant for a University to exempt a political party that represents the majority vote of the people of the United States. However as someone stated it is private so they can do what they choose. The religious views on this trivia site and the willingness to espouse them never ceases to amaze me. We do have freedom of expression in this country oh and even freedom of religion.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 23rd May '09 6:45 PM

Rudeness never ceases to AMAZE me butr then some of my very "best" friends are rude . Why can't anyone point to the positive changes that Totus has done not just promised instead of taking issue with a Univerisity that has a right to do as they please because they don't take a dime of "government" money?-bet the auto companies and any banks wish they were in that position. Also why are we talking about Clueless Jimmy?-got the clueless from Andy or Michael Steele? Don't expect a concrete answer just a bash on what I said. Keep watching the value of our dollar whikle you and he campaign

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 23rd May '09 7:00 PM

Believe the charts are showing a dramatic rise in people who consider themseves independent voters-just a thought-

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 23rd May '09 7:10 PM


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 23rd May '09 7:28 PM


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 23rd May '09 11:44 PM

Janice, what's this supposed to mean?...BTW, Oprah has honored LU students on her show for their work in Uganda. I do a lot of volunteering too should stigmatize the people I help? Oprah did a good deed by recognizing LU. LU did a horrible thing by kicking students out since LU accepts federal funding.



bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sun, 24th May '09 1:32 AM

I agree with Btsyshsbnd . Privately funded schools can do whatever they want.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 24th May '09 11:12 AM

Why are you bring posts about Jimmy Carter from another thread has nothing to do with this one. Now who is following thread to thread to harrass who? Linda when you look up rude in dictionary your picture is there. All I said is that one's religious views should held in check not fawned over so emotionally on a trivia site. There is bound to be people that will disagree with extreme religious beliefs, this is a site for intelligent people. I think Liberty University has a right as a private University to censor the democratic party. But I don't think it will neccessarily do anything for their enrollment. As someone posted they went therefor a semester and dropped out due to their religious fanaticism. I am sorry but evangelical fundamentalism is just not a very rational topic to discuss on a trivia website.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 11:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M see what happens off prompter in this "funny" video?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 24th May '09 11:16 AM

The kids were not kicked out of the university. The Democrat club was disbanded and will no longer exist to receive university funding (which is what you said at the top of the thread).

BTW, the "Liberty" in the name is from the meaning of spiritual liberty in the Bible - it has nothing to do with political meanings.

2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Galatians 5:1 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage (of sin)"

Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, "

Now, I brought up Oprah, because apparently to some in this country, when Oprah approves of something it gives it credibility and acceptance. She obviously doesn't condemn the school.

Jeremy, I'm so sorry you came away from LU with those feelings. But I just have to be frank with you. For people who actually believe in the God of the Bible, and of Jesus the Son, those teachings just don't leave any wiggle room. What you call narrow minded is Jesus minded.

Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me." (John 14:6)

If someone doesn't believe in God or Jesus, that seems very narrow minded. To we who are Christians, who have accepted Jesus as our Saviour, that is exactly what we believe. If you don't, that's certainly your right.

But there are millions of us who believe that Jesus is the only way to God, and we are happy with that.

It's the same as the subject of abortion. There are those who want to have a civil conversation about it.

But we Christians who believe what the Bible says about life being sacred from the womb, there just is no way to discuss it. From the way we understand the Bible, the choice is made when one gets pregnant, and now it is a human being, and anything humans do that prevent that human from growing to become viable on its own is murder. Murder to us is not debatable or discussable. For us there is no middle ground or compromise, any more than there would be if that child were one year old.

The viability factor means nothing from a biblical standpoint. There are adults out here on all sorts of medical procedures and meds, who might not be "viable" on their own. But they are still "alive" as we believe that fetus is alive. The fetus just must stay in the mother's womb because its life is so fragile - not because it's not a real human yet. The one human who is totally blameless and innocent is the one in the womb. And 40 million of the most fragile, innocent human beings in this country have been killed in the past 3 decades.

Some say a fetus resembles a lizard more than a human. A baby at birth looks very different from an adult. Looks do not determine life or quality of life in the opinion of the Christian who follows the Bible in its teaching on babies in the womb.

There's not one person on earth who is forced to believe the Bible. There are millions forced to believe other religious writings.

"Choose this day whom you will serve— but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” (Joshua 24:15.)

That makes me narrow minded in the same way Jesus was narrow minded, and I can live with that.



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 24th May '09 11:23 AM

The last post substantiates what I said religious fundamentalist beliefs while may be sacred are not the only beliefs. You can be pro choice and still be a christian. Quoting the scripture even though it is Sunday doesn't mean we are in church.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 24th May '09 11:30 AM

No, but I believe in giving the reference that backs up what and why I believe what I do. (Same for political beliefs - I try to give links to publications with legitimate quotes.) Many have no idea what the Bible says. Some commented on the "liberty" part of the name because they had no idea what kind of liberty the university means in the name. I just wanted to clarify where they got their name.

I don't pull my beliefs out of thin air. I have scripture that backs it up. Scripture is the basis for all my beliefs in life. I've studied, I've had years of experience with Jesus, and I've made my life-long choice.

Everybody serves something or somebody. I choose not to make up anything or go by my feelings of the moment.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 11:30 AM

Rude is rude calling someone's Faith fanaticism is just that whether you agree with them or not. As you know I am not a Fundamentalist Christian would probablty be better categorized as a "fallen away" Catholic and don't really see things as Jan does but rudeness is the same when categorizing either- Psssst you brought up Clueless Jimmy in a thread that had nothing to do with him-when I see you post it is a constant reminder of how very glad I am that we never agree-embarrasment to the max. Not going to argue with you in this thread either so unless someone else has a comment or you say something intelligent-out of this one too BTW Jeremy when you post most folks feel free to reply whether you tell them you don't want them to do so or not-you have been her long enough to know that- Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 24th May '09 12:09 PM

Every paying member of sploofus now has a right to post. Even you can not take away that right and I am glad you are "out of here" as you didn't post anything relevant to thread. It is not rude to comment that religious fundamentalist beliefs are not the majority here. Just because members choose not to comment doesn't mean they agree with it. We are not on a biblical chat forum. Some people on here are not even Christians so they may even find quotes from Bible highly inappropriate. But I believe she Jan has every right to espouse her beliefs I just think they cloud the voice of reason. The same thing the fundamentalists zealots do in their interpretation of the Bible. Muslims also have religious zealots but we call them terriorists. I didn't know they were also kicked out of the University, that was real free thinking of them. Our democracy has a separation of church and state, now I am grateful to our forefathers for their very wise premonitions of what could happen if they didn't.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 12:26 PM



smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 3:08 PM

Linda, that may be the case, though I hardly got any feedback except from Janice, and it wasn't particularly as nasty as it normally is, so it perhaps my statement had an effect? And even if it didn't, I guess what I really meant was feel free to post a nasty comment in reply, but if you do and you have some desire for a reply, I would probably abandon the thread as far as my participation was concerned and your post will just be ignored.

Janice: you said, "Jeremy, I'm so sorry you came away from LU with those feelings. But I just have to be frank with you. For people who actually believe in the God of the Bible, and of Jesus the Son, those teachings just don't leave any wiggle room. What you call narrow minded is Jesus minded".

I never said LU was narrow minded, I believe that was some other player, I merely said it was mindless drivel and different from my own. I'm kind of confused about your post, do you happen to have some kind of intimate knowledge of the specifics that LU teaches about the Bible, as in some kind of syllabus handy? Or do you take it as your personal duty to defend every fundamentalist, including Bin Laden perhaps, who walks the earth? In other words, how would you know whether it was "mindless drivel" or not? Were you a student there at some point or somehing?

Be that as it may, though I didn't call LU narrow minded, at least regarding the situation discussed on this thread, I'm not entirely sure that isn't an apt description. Among the adjectives in the definition of narrow minded is the word intolerant, and it seems to apply regarding the democrat party at LU in this case. I don't know if I would have time for a debate about fundamentalism or not, the problem with a discussion of LU and it's views as I see it, is that it would require too much generalization regarding fundamentalism. I personally envision me generalizing, and others finding exceptions to my generalizations ad infinitum despite the fact that I already know such exceptions exist. I generally don't find such discussions as I just described "helpful", because when talking about large groups generalizations become necessary, though I possibly wouldn't entirely be opposed to a short discussion of some kind of our differing views.

Bobo, not to start a political debate, but I'm not personally convinced that seperation of Church and State and all that it's come to mean over time is ALWAYS a good thing. Not really interested in any kind of lengthy debate, just thought I would "sound a different note" here.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 24th May '09 3:26 PM

What I meant was taking a political stance in a University. By definition a University at least the one I went to was open to free thinking. Our forefatherer did put in our constitution a division of religion and politics. I for one think this is a good thing. Lest we all start to believe in the same religion and God which we don't. Then we could have a civil war over it like other countries do. No, I am sorry but I believe in freedom of religion and I don't believe religion belongs in government. One nation under God is fine but we can all worship whatever God we choose. I happen to be a Christian, not a fundamentalist, but I do believe in bacis tenets of Christianity. That said I no longer wish to debate anyone on religion and would be happy to have it allocated to a special interest group. It sets people off and steps on toes of highly believed in principles.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 24th May '09 3:29 PM

Universities are open to free-thinking?

Uh, I don't think so any more, Bobo. They are bastions of political correctness.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 3:56 PM

Collioure, as a generalization, I would consider that dead on.

Agreed Bobo, perhaps the Bible Trivia Group would be a more appropriate forum for a "discussion" of this kind?? Or perhaps not at all on this site, lol, but I'd be willing to try anything at least once.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:07 PM

Jeremy, I'm taken aback by your statement "...I hardly got any feedback except from Janice, and it wasn't particularly as nasty as it normally is..."

I thought i go out of my way to talk factually, back up my facts, and not be nasty. I will have to ponder on this - your thought that my posts are normally nasty.

Also, "Or do you take it as your personal duty to defend every fundamentalist, including Bin Laden..."

Based on my endless posts of love for my country, defending the rights of Americans to be protected against every and any one who would hurt anyone here, that comment is just downright mean. I thought more of you, Jeremy.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:13 PM

Jank, I agree. I have really never seen a nasty post from you, and I don't know why anyone would so suggest.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:16 PM

Perhaps if religious discussions do not belong on this site the original pposter should not have begun with a bash on a religiopus university-followed somewhere by a very "funny" video of the honor students there. Rather like after bashing Bush/ Cheney nonstop for an endless period of time-don't forget Palin we should no longer talk politics -TOTUS, Biden, Reid Pelosi ?? I think I get it...

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:19 PM

Janice, "as nasty as it normally is"..... I didn't mean from you in general, I didn't even mean from you this particular time, and I didn't necessarily mean in response to me either, I just meant the kind of posts I've seen from others on this site.

As far as the Bin Laden comment, I'm sorry that hurt your feelings. Yes, I knew you wouldn't defend Bin Laden. This is what I think, I was making of fun of the thought I had in my head of you defending anyone and any institution that happened to be fundamentalist that had just occurred to me. I was waiting for you to put that funny and strange thought that I had of you back in it's place. It was meant to be a "leading" comment, one that would "try" and get you to respond to a particular area about you that I wanted clarification on, or that I wanted you to rectify, not meant to be a put down. Because I was in a hurry while posting, I figured if I exaggerated real quick it would send up a red flag and you would pay particular attention to that area in your response. I won't do that again, I'll just wait for a bigger block of time next time. I understand that online communication can be difficult sometimes, and apologize for how that made you feel, though I have the feeling you would have felt at least slightly different had I made the comment in person.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:32 PM

Right Linda, religious discussions don't belong on this site.....they've been conducted very privately and succesfully in a manner very much without the drama of the political discussion I see day in and day out in the Salty Dog in the Bible Trivia Group. Not sure why they wouldn't belong here.....outside of this particular forum, and outside of this one incident that may or may not just blow over for all I know, they seem to be going just fine in other forums.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:37 PM

Jeremy, words have meanings, and since nuances and inflections cannot occur easily in this forum, that becomes especially important when starting a sentence with someone's name - as you just did with mine. That points each word in that post toward me personally.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:41 PM

MY point: If you begin a thread with a bash on a religious organization/ intitution some will find it "funny" and others will take ofenser to that ...

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 4:44 PM

Ah, I'll be more careful then.

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.5 - Posts: 893)
Sun, 24th May '09 5:30 PM

I'm going to start a new thread re: LU, from a different point of view ... so I'm not duplicating, rather changing direction a bit.
Colleen

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 24th May '09 5:40 PM

Oh, LU, excellent brand of cookies from France.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 7:38 PM

Sorry Linda, I've been trying to log on for hours, and although my last post was directly after yours, I've only now just seen it. I hadn't watched the video until now, and I didn't take it into before I posted.

I'm not entirely sure where you are coming from when you say I started off "bashing" a religious institution. Will you clarify what you are referring to so I better understand your post? Thanks.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 7:55 PM

Was not talking about you. Bigmama60 started the thread with a blog about a Fundamentalist Christian University- and added her thoughts.Many people thought it funny especially Bo's video-funny no one thought the Obama one on his Religious beliefs was or leaat least didn't say so if they did. I am not a Fundamentalist Christian but think words like "ignorant" or yes, "drivel" to describe what they chose to do or teach is name-calling and it hits on a personal level to people like Jan as they are not in the"fair game" politician category Just my opinion

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 24th May '09 8:18 PM

I should have said "one" not "you". To Beverly's credit she did say that because the university took no federal money they were free to think, believe, teach, and exclude groups that did not share their philosophy. Linda

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Sun, 24th May '09 9:03 PM

The reason I am concerned is that the Bush Administration hired large numbers of lawyers that graduated from Liberty University.

If a school will only allow only people that agree with them to be part of their campus I would doubt the abilites of the lawyers they produce.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 24th May '09 9:33 PM

Alright, thanx for the clarification. I thought Bo's video was funny. Drivel is indeed what they were teaching the classes I attended at LU, it's an opinion, and I'm sorry if that hit somebody personally, but at the same time not all of my opinions are by any means what everyone wants to hear. Opinions are what they are, always a work in progress as far as I'm concerned.

I only attended a few, perhaps the classes would've gotten better, but I doubt it, and part of my reason for dropping is that those views on Christianity I know already, as my mom and dad are fundamentalists. I didn't need to hear them a second time. I don't know that "all" fundamentalists are ignorant, though there is a good number that are, to me, that's just a fact. Of course you could probably say that about many groups, fundamentalists included. I do know that I like some of them as people, and on semi-occasion, they have given me insights that I have incorporated into my own thinking. I will say, as is already apparent, I don't have alot of respect for their thinking as a whole....but I won't rant here.




jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 24th May '09 9:40 PM

If you take time to read about Liberty University, you'll find the reason they have a law school is to graduate attorneys who will uphold the rights of religious freedom.

They uphold the Constitution in the exact wording that government will not interfere in the practice of religion, not the media's way of misrepresenting it to mean there will be no religion in government. The media has misrepresented the Constitutional wording so often that many people actually think it says there will be separation of church and state. Those words are not even part of the Constitution.

If you want to know what the founding fathers meant by their words in the Constitution regarding freedom to practice your religion, all you have to do is visit Washington D.C. Bible verses are inscribed all over government buildings and memorials.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 25th May '09 3:53 AM

It is the right of incoming incoming President to fire the federal prosecuteres of the prior adminsistration. Clinton fired them all and the last Bush all but two. It you remember the speculation back when it was first announceed by Fitzpatrik- considered very sharp and qulified by anyone's standard- was that he announced it early precisely because he knew Obama would most than likely fire him. Ya know all the digging around in Illlinois politics. During such an investigationn might still have been legal for Obamae him but at minimum fishy. Last friday right before the holiday weekend Obama fired a Bush appointee. Got little to no attention as things released on any Friday let alone the start of a holiday weekend usually don-that is why things that are unpleasant or might be open to controversythey released then.. The Supreme court is a whole other ballgame and is scary- Linda That was in answer to Saragon's concern. Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 25th May '09 4:16 AM

Further research shows me that federal judges unlike prosecuters serve for a lifetime only removavable by death or imeachment which is not usually done

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 25th May '09 7:24 AM

I leave things out should haved read Fitzpatrick's investigation of Blago Didn't realize there were so many folks here called Richard or the nickname LOL

ne1410s
Ne1410s  (Level: 238.5 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 25th May '09 12:32 PM

"Sitting in church doesn't make you a christian any more than standing in a garage makes you an auto." Love that one.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 25th May '09 12:37 PM

I don't get what you're saying Tom in the context of this thread.....


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