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Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.0 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 6:03 PM


Okay, time to come together, guys. You are the most intelligent, funny, argumentative, generous, lovable bunch of people outside my direct family and I love you all. So let's each say something nice about someone we've been disagreeing with on other threads (even if we didn't actually put it down in writing). No politics here, just compliments, please.

I'll start...

Tsk, though I rarely agree with you, I love the way you present your arguments.
1. You almost always number each item, making it very clear what your points are.
2. You never call anyone names.
3. Even when someone is insulted by something you say, I don't think you mean it to be an insult, but instead consider it to be factual.

You must have been (still are?) one successful lawyer!

Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 6:09 PM

I'll add five hurrahs for Tsk...though I don't remember ever disagreeing with him!



Collioure  (Level: 115.2 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 6:11 PM

Sandy rarely has bad days like she had yesterday.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 6:42 PM

Smoke helped me put the picture of my dog on my profile-thank her for thart as she knows I am a computer dunce

Pennwoman  (Level: 163.1 - Posts: 2475)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 7:05 PM

Linda is fervent in her convictions!

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 7:10 PM

Smoke did my dog too. She is nice people. So is Tsk but I don't always agree with them.

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6644)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 7:42 PM

I rarely disagree with Tsk either. Sometimes though I wonder if he really is being unnecessarily kind? Tsk, if you read this will let me know if those are euphemisms?

Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 8:57 PM

Thanks to all those who appreciate that I generally attempt to avoid personal attacks in the political threads. In fact, I have sometimes been known to make snotty personal comments when I believe I have been personally attacked.

I learned early in my legal career that personal attacks are not generally appreciated by judges or juries, and although I know that few people can be convinced on matters of politics, I actually do write with the hope of influencing how people like at the policy issues I am addressing. Since I also know that personal attacks tend to turn people off, I try (although I'm human) to avoid personal attacks on my debate opponents. Believe me, I have often bitten my tongue so to speak and just let the personal attack slide.

Fudy, those who know me, including, especially, professional colleagues, would affirm that I was successful as a lawyer, and remain so, albeit in a part time capacity strictly in a couple of specialized legal areas. I would say I am what would be deemed traditionally successful, inasmuch as I was able to discontinue fulltime practice of law at 55 because I had made enough money so that fulltime work for wages was unnecessary -- and I did not come from money. I admit that to get to this position, I more often than not argued for positions that favored corporate interests over people because corporations could pay me a lot of money, and regular people could not. Thus, I have had, and continue to have albeit to a lesser extent, a degree of inner turmoil. My career frequently brought me into contact with business and political elites, and this exposure has certainly informed my political views.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 8:58 PM

The people who play WR's with me are generally polite and show good sportmanship. I'm not going to name everybody, Taz, Slicko, Davidf, etc, etc, etc. It's also good to have Lodi's quirky sense of humor back. Oogie and Luvnmexsun are great conversationalists. If this thread continues, I have many more things to say about a whole lot of people on this site.

1mks  (Level: 221.1 - Posts: 5929)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 9:04 PM

I am appreciative of the fact that Vickie is always positive and uplifting. She is our ray of sunshine.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 9:19 PM

TSK, have really enjoyed the couple of times we have agreed and your politeness to me when we have not. Marsha,no fair-this thread was supposed to be about saying something positive about someone with whom you have had differences-how can anyone disagree with Vickie? Loved by all!! -Linda

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 9:21 PM

Linda, I didn't realize that, or perhaps "for starters" I would've chosen different characters!

1mks  (Level: 221.1 - Posts: 5929)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 9:44 PM

Well, I misread it.........I was aiming for positive. I will try to do better.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.0 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 9:45 PM

Keep it up, guys! Looking good.

Tsk, I can understand your inner turmoil, but as long as you practiced legally and ethically, you should be proud of your accomplishments. I'm very glad you've made money - it's what we feed our families with for pete's sake! I hope that now that you have more time and say in what you do that you're doing things that help you feel more fulfilled.

Tuzilla  (Level: 146.5 - Posts: 3845)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 9:45 PM

And Felix is really just a pussycat.

Oogie54  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 1120)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 10:27 PM

Even though Chick(Who's Kelly?) tries to come across as the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room, I know she is just a lovable little Chickie. She even had the restraining order against me lifted

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Wed, 3rd Jun '09 11:36 PM


Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 1:03 AM

I know i can be a bit tough on the religious, and for this i apologise.............It's not your fault

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5425)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 1:37 AM

I often disagree with Clevercloggs (although not always voiced), but I appreciate the fact he's willing to dialogue about differences. And I suspect he's really quite a nice guy underneath it all. But we won't tell him that ... he has a reputation to uphold.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 2:35 AM

I resemble that remark !!!

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 2:53 AM

Marsha I not only often misread things but then go ahead and answer the wrong question-glad you praised Vickie. She deserves it and so do you for your upbeat posts I also think you are a nice guy too Dave calling people "bags of spanners " and all-Linda

Fainodraino  (Level: 113.1 - Posts: 240)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 9:44 AM

I love my sis...

oh wait, someone I've disagreed with lately....

Even if I didn't like the links offered by Maurlin, I love her quizzes. And she's really prolific!!!!

Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 9:57 AM

Religious or aetheist Americans, perpetually divided by your petty internecine town-hall squabbles - I actually think you're all quite lovely.

This is a wonderful thread - kudos to everyone who adds to it!

Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 9:59 AM

Damn - forgot to add 'crazy' to the above.

Think that's everyone now!

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 10:40 AM

Quaint silly Brits, pathetically clinging to your antiquated, superfluous vowels, I forgive you and applaud you for your cultural stubbornness and the death grip you keep on your gilt-and-ermine royal ceremonials and traditions, no matter how passe. Frankly surprised the Scots haven't given up the vowels just because they're English.


Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 12:42 PM

Loving the off-colour humour there: always good to have a cosy dialogue with you Smoke. (Always been one of my favourites here!)
Not many realise outside of the theatre that vowels are mainly kept alive so that we can confuse travellers to these shores. (Who oft arrive in garish trousers and plimsoll combinations quite unsuitable for the terrain…) Many an unwitting visitor has passed over a sleeping policeman (whilst in an estate car) in a vain quest for petrol, their boot brimming with kippers and semolina all the while looking for our elusive castles.

It’s a good job we built our one so close to the train station or no-one would see it at all.

As far as royalty goes, well I tend to agree with you. I mean, we lend our guid Scots blood to the line and look what happens: a hippie Prince with a Nazi son and a domineering mummy, a crazed Greek consort determined to make certain nationalities an endangered species, a disparate selection of gin-soaked, befuddled lotus eaters and murder conspiracies within enigmas, within rebuses.
No change whatsoever!
(Did nobody in England read ‘Macbeth’ before they agreed to joint ownership?)

Thanks for my absolution though, much appreciated.
I’d now like to forgive the seventy-odd people above me on the all-time ranking list: they probably don’t know how much their superior intellects and points totals hurt my frail constitution.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 1:00 PM

You can cozy up to me anytime, laddie. I'm staying with you when I come over. I'm a fabulous houseguest, I do all the washing up and Elsie will love me.

Ladyvol  (Level: 213.0 - Posts: 5674)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 1:03 PM

I appreciate the praise guys...I knew I had friends here and I'm so glad that I do...there are a few on here that I disagree with but I hope it hasn't stopped us from becoming friends....

Bobolicios  (Level: 119.6 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 1:58 PM

I actually have come to appreciate Linda, though I don't often agree she is passionate about her posts. I admire that in anyone. I also think Tsk is special he actually posts in a poignant unemotional way, he almost always wins the debate in my book. Simply by being the most intellectual and factual poster.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 2:01 PM

Seriously, now.

I've hoped always to maintain good relations with everyone, even (perhaps especially) those I've disagreed with on the boards. Yes, I'm opinionated, outspoken, and persistent, and in the natural push and grind of heated debate, I've spoken harshly what I strongly believe, but it has never - ever - not one single time - been intended with the slightest personal malice toward anyone here.

I can disagree with you without ceasing to be your friend; I can hate what you're saying and love you; I can be your polar opposite on most everything and still respect you and like you as a person; I can even dislike you without animosity. I don't judge a person's worth by their politics or their religion, but by how they treat other people. Mean people suck no matter what their party, race or religion. Boo hiss to mean people.

It would be disingenuous not to acknowledge that since last summer I've been a lightning rod for a lot of negativity I never meant to engender (though I admit I fed into it far more than was wise and like Tsk, I can be snotty under attack). I'm painfully aware that there are a few who blame me for the antagonistic tone that rules the boards today. I cannot express how that distresses me, and I've tried earnestly to deal with it in several ways, from trying to sort things out via PM, to vociferously defending myself against some fairly personal attacks, to extended periods of silence.

Linda, I don't understand the chasm that seemed to open overnight between us. From early days here I was your true friend because I saw much to admire; you charmed me and I was your staunch defender with every reason to think we liked each other very much; I don't know why that changed abruptly and I ask again to know my offense in private so that I may explain or ask forgiveness for any wrong done by me to you, and hopefully come to an agreement that will survive our next public difference of opinion.

Again I both ask and offer forgiveness, truce, and peace to all who hold me in disregard. I invite you to write to me and tell me of my offense that I may answer for it, and we can all move on without hidden (and not so hidden) resentments.

All that said, I enjoy a spirited discussion of ideas and the issues of the day, the give-and-take of amicable debate, and I believe it IS possible to do so respectfully, without being destructive of the community or untrue to one's own core convictions. We can all do better (except Vickie, who is perfect ) and I pray we will. I promise to try my very best.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 2:19 PM

you smokey

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 9:33 PM

You know, there's no one in my real world I would share my true self with outside these Sploofus walls the way I do here, because out in real world, people you pass would give you "the look" and the gossip and all that muck that goes with it.

Here in these walls we can be ourselves, for better or worse, in sickness and in health. And it really goes no farther, because we don't have a reason to.

And yet, some of you are dear friends in real life too (and even related).

I'm guessing that if any one of us was hurting, no matter how much we disagree on just a couple of subjects, the help and prayers and good thoughts and whatever we could do for the hurting one, would come pouring in, in any way we could. If nothing else, we can laugh with you and we can cry with you - and we can mourn with you.

And THAT, my dear Sploofus friends, is why I love you guys, no matter what you say about anything, no matter how you feel about anything.

I hate beer, but Donna, if you came to NASCAR here, I'd down one with you and we'd laugh and snort foam out our noses.

(Do you like beer? Somehow I thought you did - if not, we'll clink glasses of something else)

Same for any of you.

Al and I are as diametrically opposed as 2 people can be in our beliefs (or almost as much), but I count him my dearest friend in these walls. We just stay away from those other subjects.

And we all have one overriding thing in common about which we ALLLLLLL agree......for Justin to fix everything the way we want it! ((((((((ducking and running)))))))

Bobolicios  (Level: 119.6 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 4th Jun '09 11:49 PM

I second that Jan more true words were never spoken. Although I have let a few people under my skin. I feel a real knship among this site and goodwill. I really have made some friends and plan to stick around indefinitely the good Lord willing. Jan say a prayer for me! I really love you guys!

Oogie54  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 1120)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 12:20 AM

>>>Sometimes you cry alone with no one there to care, sometimes you laugh out loud with no one there to share............but fart just once and everybody notices<<<

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 12:37 AM

Sorry, Oogers, I tried to be a good hostess and ignore it, but when my mascara started to run I had to say something.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 5:46 AM

Was going to let this go, Smoke, right up until your last comment to Jan Until you made a speech about how hard you tried never to let anything get personal this thread was about a kind word for someone with whom you had disagreed. within that speech you called on me to pm you giving you my issue. I did and like the last time received no reply. You do kind nice things you, however attempt to destroy people's character who disagree with your politics. You jumped on a phrase that I used "Ape" him common in my day for mimic and then offered an insincere apology for hinting that made me a racist. Your latest was saying that you had argued with people "like me' to no avail another not so subtle nuance. If you are calling me a racist say it stop the underhanded BS- said that much nicer in the pm. People can defend as much as anyone can defend something as nebulous as this charge if it is aboveboard-but the stabs in the back- different from sarcasm- one cannot, None of this would have been out for all to see if you had returned my pm although believe you already knew my issue but wanted yet again to make yourself out as the 'good guy' who had been rebuffed. Don't know but perhaps others have like issues with you. You are magnificent with words and not so hidden meanings. I do not like Obama's policies and find him insincere as he has to read everything he says. I do not know who he is or what he will do next. I have tried to stick to issues but you will twist this too-keep on doing the nice things and understand that we are worlds apart politically and all will be fine Linda

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6644)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 6:21 AM

You were my very first friend. I could never disown you even though we blatantly disagree religiously. I'm still working on country music so I'll be able to take more of your quizzes.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 7:53 AM

Jesus, Linda, it would've be good of you to give me time to fully answer a very important PM.

We had thunderstorms in the area last night and lost power several times. I lost all the work I'd done on a WP Barry and I are doing, and I lost my message to you twice, once from the power going out in the middle and again when I went too long, tried to erase your message at the bottom to make more room, and lost the whole thing and couldn't get it back. I cried in frustration and threw things off my desk and scared the dogs and my husband yelled at me. So I decided to finish it first thing this morning, and instead there you go again, loose-cannoning all over the place before giving me the chance to respond.

Answering that message seemed a LOT more important 6 hours ago than it does right now.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 8:18 AM

I see! Perhaps a reply is indeed unimportant as it was equally unimportant the last time you asked me publicy to pm you my issue. Then too no reply. Maybe there were storms in your area then too-either way unimportant. Just know if you put things out there in public you willl get my reply in public.Lida

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 8:28 AM

I don't remember ever not replying to a PM from you. The last dozen or so in my file are about Sasha's picture and the only one before that was back in January; I answered and you made a brief response saying you were scared of the president. I don't know if I responded or not.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 207.0 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 8:32 AM

All right, you two, OUTSIDE!!

Seriously, though. Back on track. Say something nice.....

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 8:38 AM

I said a lot of things nice. Pardon me for being kinda bummed and fresh out of nice.

It was very sweet of you to try. How's that?

Bobolicios  (Level: 119.6 - Posts: 1745)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 1:04 PM

I say if you two were friends in the beginning shake hands. There is no reason in politics for two friends to lose a friendship over. I believe that you can start over.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 5th Jun '09 6:06 PM

Donna - it took me many lost PMs and frustrations before I finally "got it" that sploofus doesn't work well when you hit their magic number - can't just highlight and delete. That's so frustrating - and it doesn't save a draft and it doesn't save a copy of sent - and all those have at times made me turn the computer off and walk away (which, I guess, I should thank Sploofus for leading that direction as it can never be a bad thing...)

Anyway, I have certainly felt your pain! But eventually it became a habit to just backspace. A lot. Or just write elsewhere and copy and paste. Or just get a private email address from others I find it's that important to write.

On the other hand, since we're here to say nice things. Justin, that sounded as though I was complaining, and I certainly don't mean to be - my lousy learning curve is my own fault (looking for my lost shaker of salt - wow - can you tell it's the last day of school? My brain is fried). For a young whipper-snapper (which all of a sudden sounds like a porn name, too...sorry - thread bleedover), you have built us a great home here.

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