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collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 7th Jun '09 6:46 PM

OBAMA ECONOMIC PLAN NOT WORKING

The overspending and the promise of much more has pushed interest rates up and is making the struggling housing market even worse.

It's not Guantanamo.

"It's the economy, stupid."

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 7th Jun '09 6:52 PM


felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 7th Jun '09 9:52 PM

He's definitely a disappointment for all the big talk he spewed last year. His pants must truly be on fire.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Sun, 7th Jun '09 10:07 PM

That is the primary issue with him. He does not have plan for much on the economy just some inspired visions. On foreign policy after throwing Israel under the bus in his Egypt read think he might have a plan there...

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Sun, 7th Jun '09 10:40 PM

Maybe you guys should form a comedy quartet and call yourself the redneck comedy team. Actually you might be funnier than the ones currently on tour.
At least you'd amuse yourselves.



lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 12:07 AM

Don't sell yourself short, Barry.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 1:05 AM

It took how many years for the economy to get to this point? It won't get solved in 4-5 months.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 2:26 AM

And that is exactly the point. Following eight years of The Shrub's misadministration, Obama would do well to pull things round in a first term. I really am forced to wonder how much of this irrational criticism of Obama has to do with deep seated racism. Or maybe the duller among us actually believe all of this "foreign muslim" crap ? Let's face it, Repugs have a tendency to swallow such garbage.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:57 AM

No, Barry.

I want Obama to succeed. The campaign turned in Obama's direction when the economy slumped. McCain admittedly was very weak in this area. And the voters counted on Obama and the Dems to get us out of the coming depression.

So far it doesn't seem to be his focus.

Once again, "It's the economy, stupid."

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:52 AM

With each new "inspiration" he digs the hole deeper.....

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 10:11 AM

Barry, are you still touring with Sha Na Na? Talk about comedy!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:17 AM

Dave, I admire you coming out and saying you think people might be racist rather than hinting about it and pulling key words or phrases out of their posts. In your face can be addressed as anything that nebulous can be but the back stabs cannot. Much of life is about what we do not or noble words. Found it interesting that in his Egypt read Obama hinted at least at a comparison of the struggle of the Palestinian people to the US Civil Rights Movement-believed a just cause by pretty much everyone.- except various "whackos". Haven't a clue if there is any hint of a comparison. Having been married to a police officer for a very long time, I tend to approach things from that perspective not tell people it is not their fault-they are the victim-that they committed a crime or, yes, lobed grenades at a marketplace, and they are the victim-Just MO Linda

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:42 AM

I am a member of several political and agnostic / athesist Yahoo groups. It would be very hard for me not to see racism in much that i read there. Many people, especially older people, were raised that way...it must be tough for them to see a black (ish) president. Let's face it, not that long ago he'd have been a slave, or not allowed on the same bus as the white folks. In historical terms change has been rapid, i think the US deserves some credit for that.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:50 AM

That is probably true, Dave, and believe some bend over backwards to prove they are not. McCain that poor gray old man was afraid to mention race or black in the campaign. Obama supporters certainly used it to get out the vote and Obama himself is not that far removed from the back of the bus scenario either. Believe race/ victim plays a big part in his idea of government is responsible for the failures of many to accept consequences for their actions and we need to apologize and give them a break .

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:54 AM

And there is the race card. Gimme a break!!! Just because someone doesn't like Obama does not make them racist!!!!!!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:59 AM

That was rather the point I and others keep trying to make but it is just too good a card not to play. One can put the facts of the shortcomings right out there but it all goes back to you want a black man to fail. I was just trying to point out how aptly he uses the "victim" card-Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 12:20 PM


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 12:25 PM



Linda and Andy if it wasn't for the Obama's policies it could be a lot worst. How many jobs did Bush/ Cheney save. You do know they destroyed a lot more than the President has either created or saved. That's Bush wanted TARP.

Andy
you really have no voice France is a socialist country. So what your beef?

www.alternet.org/politics/140308/after_100_days%2C_what_has_the_stimulus_accomplished/

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 12:32 PM

PROVE exactly hows many jobs Obama has saved. You cannot and neither can he-slick reader that he is

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 12:33 PM

There is also the small point that i didn't claim not liking Obama made one prejusticed. That would be as daft as claiming that nobody disliked him because of his colour.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 12:39 PM

And exactly what percentage of the stimulus that was such an emergency to pass without reading has actually gotten through the beauracry (sp)? Seems like much of they money that has gone out has gone to places not with the greatest need but that wouldn't have a thing to do with politics, now would it??

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 1:26 PM

Well for starters, Linda

#1 Lets take Republican Steele in Chicago a plant that was supposed to close. They're now back to work. The stimulus package has created or saved more than 150,000 jobs and will create or save another 600,000 jobs by August.

#2 Virginia became the last state to secure funds for road and bridge projects under the federal stimulus package, according to U.S. Department of Transportation data.

#3 Wyoming, has gotten approval for 96 percent of its stimulus

#4 in other news, the stimulus package had created nearly 7,700 transportation and infrastructure jobs as of April 30, according to a congressional report [3] (PDF) released Thursday.

#5 Alaska has made the least progress with just 4 percent of its funding approved. (No surprise Palin has falling polling numbers in her state plus, Newt doest even want her speaking) Source:www.propublica.org/ion/stimulus/item/top-10-stimulus-road-projects-and-more-522


#“6 Firefighters and Policemen, I’ve forgotten what state, any how they didn’t lost their jobs

That report you're talking about was before 6.4 unemployment rates was given, SHERLOCK. Decades of fiscal irresponsibility and you want the president to pull off a miracle in 5 months? I will continue to coin phrases like... How many jobs did Bush/ Cheney create? We know how many jobs they destroyed?
I prefer looking forward; instead of seeing the glass half empty I see it half full. It looks like the scare tactics are working on you.





bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 1:38 PM

Well, Linda
To some extent you're right. The percentage of the stimulus money that has gone out has gone to places not with the greatest need. Only, because states with Republican governors like Sarah Palin etc. refuse the money to help their own people. Now that is truly selfish, political, posturing!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 2:14 PM

Or because Harry wants a railroad toifrom Vegas to Disneyland. The "saved" thing is like me saying I am 10 pounds lighter because did not eat too much for a month. Watched his head economist guy on Sunday set the stage for the economy numbers coming out i believe on Thursday-bad but then you knowhe "inherited" such a Mess. That same guy made it clear that although it was NOT the president's idea-taxing health care benefits provided by employers was not off the table. Don't believe that wil sit well with teamsters and such as it doesn't with me as my former employer provides me with pretty good health care. gimme a brak dumb but not that dumb not enough rich fat cats so someone has to pay...It is Bush/Cheney and now Palin's fault gesus..

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 2:25 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/05/AR2009030502951.html that was written quite sometime ago and does not directly address jobs created or lost but the huge lie that is perpetrated on the American people

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 2:30 PM

Beverly, stop printing the happy talk from the DNC, please.

We have lost several hundred thousand jobs every month this year, often more than 500,000. Unemployment is up to 9.4%, the highest rate since the early 80s.

If you didn't get the message, today the Obama admin did. They are going to try to speed up the stimulus funds.

FYI I am an American citizen and generally better informed than your highly posts posts suggest that you are.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 2:32 PM

Dave, please put the racism away. It's not a factor and there's very little here.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:03 PM

Where, in France ?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:11 PM

Collioure
That's exactly my point. You are an American, apart from voting let me count the many ways you love America.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:12 PM

There's more racism in France today (against Muslims) than in the US, Dave.

Have you ever lived in the US, Dave, or do you get all your info from the British tabloid press?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:14 PM

Beverly, most of your points are cut-and-paste from partisan sources. Sometimes you yourself don't even understand all that fluff.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:40 PM

BigMama and clevercloggs why bother it is the hate Obama and I am smarter than you. WELL now here this I am ecstatic I got a JOB. There are quite a few out there if people want them. I see the economy turning around somewhat even in the southeast. You don't see little nuances all the way in France. I am not retired with nothing better to do than look up partisan blogs all day and insult other people on a trivia site. I am so excited and I voted for Obama and will stand behind him and give him the time he needs. SO THERE. I am done with all the negativity on the administration and everything some of you spew in general. Please don't insult me again with the "pay grade". You do live in France and sit and criticize from overseas, you don't live here. I know you are a US citicizen but you are not there for a job, you LIVE there. You choose to live there, that in itself says something about your attitude in general.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:46 PM

GESUS.......

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 3:49 PM

Gesus is right Linda. Of course you didn't say "Great congratulations" No it was Gesus. Hey what is up with that? That is what I mean with all the negativity in these threads. It really doe not do any good for the site I can tell you that. Take some quizzes, smell some flowers, breath, say a mantra do something or think something POSITIVE>

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:08 PM

I just came back on line to tell you that I was happy you have a job and I am. Now if we want to talk about"negativity" take a very close look at your last post on the bash Palin thread just plain mean......

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:13 PM

I am so happy for you. That's wonderful. You have been very progressive in your thoughts and actions. It has paid off and I hope you become the CEO of that company. Despite the entire name calling, btw Andy I really hate when you call her bobo, I don't know what you mean by it. I hope it is has human connotations. Keep looking forward Bobolicios.

As for you Andy, ex-patriot, the 9.4% included in its report... that employment is 1.5% higher that it had been months before 9.4%. Since you're crunching numbers, how do you explain that progress? Slow but at least a move forward; I hope. Does it encourage you to come back home?


allena
Allena  (Level: 255.0 - Posts: 1389)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:21 PM

Obama is clearly making up numbers. I do think some fine folks hated Bush and have such great hopes for America that they are blinded, hopefully, temporarily. It is impossilbe to count saved jobs when the government announces that unemployment has grown by 2.1 million since the stymulus was passed.

Obama is trashing us in Europe. He is trying to be King of the world. If we do not awaken and stop this mess, we will have him telling us what to eat because he is paying for our metered medical care.

Bigmama60, I think I can make some money betting with you on his success with his big talk.



clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:23 PM

Hey Andy, may i call you Andy ? I do not read tabloids, christ...i can hardly read at all. When speaking about racism earlier you mentioned "here",, that is why i questioned your geography. Of course there is racism in France, all countries that colonise other countries get it, as they'll soon find out in the US.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:39 PM

Dave, where is the racism you referred to earlier????

Dave, how many months have you lived in the US in the past ten years?

What the F _ _ _ is your point of reference?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:40 PM

Gee, Beverly, I somehow missed the 9.4% unemployment rate in your 1:26pm happy talk post above.

Could you show us all where you cited it?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:44 PM

Collioure,

I, unlike you, am informed and can make intelligent conclusions I don't need cut and pastes. That’s way today I gave you the source since it involves statistics with the explanations so you could see for yourself how ridiculous you seem. However, I do believe you are accusing me and Dave of not having a brain. LoL... If France is so beautiful and you live there; why do you even bother to continue your nonsense? You claim to so knowledgeable yet it appears mostly anyone can see you are a clone of Right Wing Dings talking points. What do you read? Who do you to listen? It appears mostly outrageous right wing ding propaganda. I mean it's laughable that you can be so condescending; yet, you’re continuously jumping on the Bridge to Nowhere.



bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:46 PM

Allena
How much do wish to wager?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 4:53 PM

Attacking the messenger instead of the message doesn't work here, Beverly. I have posted the columnists I read regularly a few times here. Three are left and three are right. The 9.4% unemployment figure comes right off plain vanilla CNN where I get much of my news. I also watch Brian Williams from NBC weeknights - good clean unbiased news.

9.4% unemployment is the problem today. Fortunately it's no longer the silent elephant in the Oval Office. Barack understands it's priority #1 - even if you don't.



felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 5:06 PM

Andy, my friend. At last we disagree. I say his plan is working. I do not believe it was ever his intention to help the middle class. In that respect I'd say things are going exactly as he planned.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 5:36 PM


Collioure

On the contrary young man, it's you and your all seeing far-away- eyes that don't seem to see or understand what is going on. Otherwise, you'd not have a valid reason to accuse anyone of lacking comprehension. Reading for you, unfortunately, is not fundamental, Andy. Perhaps, you should stop glossing over relevant issues; because you are not that brilliant. Respect in addition to your other sad traits, is certainly what you lack.

Resulting to personal attacks on me, since you have no counterattack; indicates you have are incapable of comprehension. Wahhhhhhhhh, poor you!


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 5:47 PM

I do not engage in personal attacks, Beverly.

That is, however, what you did above.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 5:59 PM

How @#&*(0%! Rude!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:02 PM

Andy
just just proved you can't comprehend. You said earlier on this thread...

"Sometimes you yourself don't even understand all that fluff". I'm clearly repeating what you said to moi. Andy that is personal and very condescending! Btw: it's not fluff; it is hope and its not scary.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:08 PM

That actually has been proved a few times, Beverly.

As for example when you told us Obama had already passed a record 11 bils, none of which was any breakthrough.

You also told us about a credit card bill that really doesn't accomplish anything much new for cardholders. Some called it a fraud. I posted their view and you didn't reespond.

Beverly, I have some experience on line with posters such as you. You run to your partisan website and you grab something that sounds good and you post it. Unfortunately it's often meaningless.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:24 PM

Allena
The right wing dings are the only ones who think our President is "A King", "The One" etc. You wouldn't happen to be one; would you? There was no "apology tour" instead a much needed new face on American values. It was a big difference between the old bellicose, cowboy, land grabbing, tactics of the past administration; really. You may not be aware of the blood Muslims shed in this war. That, my dear, is appreciation. Articulating and reclaiming the values of why people migrate to this land of opportunity is certainly no apology. What numbers have the RepubliKKKlans provided besides the page numbers on their objections to their just say NO agendas. Perhaps you should provide current numbers contrary to made up right wing dings skewed and half-truth projections.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:33 PM

WOW what a factual intelligent and informative post, Beverly.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:36 PM

Thank you, Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:36 PM

Oh, my, Beverly. Did you know that most of the Muslim blood shed was Muslims killing Muslims? All those suicide bombs, for example.

RepubliKKKans? My, my. Do you think all Republicans are racists?

FYI the Republicans are no longer in power. Ball's in the other team's court. It's still early, but it's time for Obama to start moving toward some real accomplishments, and like you I hope we have some.

Can't keep shouting "Bush" forever, Beverly. Time to learn some new lines.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 6:37 PM

That sailed right over Beverly's partisan noggin, Linda.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:13 PM

Oh for the love of G-- quit kissing Linda's a--. However attractive it may be, stand on your own, your expatriate over inflated pompous man.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:16 PM

Another personal attack, Bobo.

I thought you were finished with that.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:16 PM


The Muslims I spoke of were the ones who fought on the Side of America and those interpreters, and others prior to and after the Sunni Awakening. I really don't think Colin Powell is a racist nor any other person of color who is a republican. The Republican Party has overspent the taxpayer’s money for decades. Republicans are exclusive and don’t have the ability to attract other sectors. For example people of color, (the attack on Sotamayer is so repetitive and typical of the good ole boys), gays, and you know the rest of those issues Republican stand against. We don't need Black helicopter rhetoric.

The credit card bill you mentioned, some called it a fraud the “operative word” is "some" in both citations. Those people obviously are of your persuasion.

You have some experience on line with posters such as me who run to partisan websites and grab something that sounds good and you post it. Unfortunately it's often meaningless.

Andy, your far- reaching telescopic eyes must be left for posterity! How can you see what I'm doing all the way from France?

What is meaningless is your bloviating. It really is befitting for your pompous self-aggrandizing way.


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:24 PM

No, Linda
My noggin actually wanted to give the benefit of the doubt and credit to you for being kind. I see now your are as EVIL, antagonistic, and partisan as you can be.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:28 PM

Beverly, when you post quite partisan stuff you yourself can't back up, it's obvious that you cut and pasted from a Democratic Party or President Obama website.

Please try to put some meat on your partisan fluff in the future. As it is, it's hard to take any of it very seriously. Been there, done that. Many times.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:33 PM

No, Beverly, Linda was just observing how empty and vapid was that partisan post.

Nitol.

tsk9653
Tsk9653  (Level: 113.2 - Posts: 1466)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:33 PM

1. Andy: I missed your post, identifying which of the columnists you read you considered to be of the Left. I stick with my earlier comment, that of the columnists you identified, the most that anybody could say is a couple of them were center-right -- and not just right. In any event, you could be reading all Communist columnists, but based on the views you have consistently expressed in your posts, this would not make you any less of the Right.

2. Bobo: Congratulations on the job.

3. Dave has it about right on the influence of racism in the U.S. I would say. There are definitely people who reflexively do not support Obama because of his race, and Dave does not contend this is the motivation of all anti-Obama folk. I would say the vast majority of these folk would never have supported a white guy for president who used the same rhetoric as Obama, but I certainly think that a lot of the carping about Obama is most reasonably explained as racially motivated.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:42 PM

Tsk, I'm waiting for Dave's own answer.


Broder, Dowd, Friedman - left

Krauthammer, Coulter (mostly for fun), and Morris? - right

Morris is really not on the right over the years but just of late and I don't know why. Fell out with Clintons and sure doesn't like what Obama is doing.

But, hey, what's it matter to you? You seem to think Olbermann is a "journalist" worth watching.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 7:50 PM

It is incredibly boring but found Christina Romer's-the economy lady- views on the causes and what brought the US out of the Great Depression- her paper at Berkley in the early 90s. Seems her mind has changed since her appointment grant you circumstances have too-


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 8:10 PM

Collioure

On the contrary, Dick Morris is an embittered, opportunist, wolf in sheep's clothing. He owes back taxes. How can he really criticize anyone about taking from the government? I'll bet he is waiting for some one in the Democratic Party to extend an invitation for him to return. He should, I think, stop pining and go where his heart is.


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 8:22 PM

Beverly - unemployment rates fell so low under President Bush that dems actually complained that the rate was too low. That's what a great job President Bush did in that one area. And that is in spite of the horrible economic hit we took on 9/11 and the ensuing days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration (about halfway down under "Employment")

"Unemployment percentage, 2000–2005: During Bush's presidency, unemployment climbed from 4.2% in January 2001 to 7.2% in December 2008. Considering population growth, that still represents a 4.6% decrease in employment since Bush took office."

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of unemployed was nearly 6.0 million in January 2001 and 6.9 million in September 2006. The unemployment rate was 4.2% in January 2001, 4.6% in September 2006, and 7.2% in December 2008. Employment peaked in late 1999 and declined through 2008."



bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 8:55 PM

Janice
If Bush had acted that August there wouldn't be a hit on 9-11 and possibly such a contraction in our economy. At least under Clinton we know he tried to go after Bin Laden.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 9:09 PM

Linda
I never even said anything about do a quiz on Andy's likeness. You must have been very tired on that thread or did you miss your afternoon nap?.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 9:21 PM

Oh my gosh, Beverly. Clinton had the chance to get OBL and let him go. I respect your right to be so extremist, but there's enough truth backed up by facts to complain about without making things up.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/missed_opportun.html

"Many CIA officers in the field, including Gary Bernsten, who was assigned to hunt bin Laden, blame officials in Washington.

"CIA provided an American president, first Bill Clinton, multiple opportunities to capture or kill bin Laden," Bernsten said. "We provided those opportunities, tactical opportunities which were not taken."

"In its exhaustive report, the 9/11 Commission identified at least five separate times in 1998 and 1999 when operations were underway to get bin Laden. In only one case was there a decision to proceed."


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 10:41 PM

Congrats, Bobo, on your new job!

(And we usually use a short version of user name for someone with a long name when their real name is not listed in their profile - I'm called jank - but that's certainly not my name. It never crossed my mind to be offended by it! And yes, I know you didn't say you were offended, I just didn't want anyone else to think I was being disrespectful calling you Bobo. I always thought of it as a way for sploofusers to be friendly and endearing).

I think there are few things that put that horrible, nauseating knot in a person's stomach as much as being without a job and needing one desperately. I've been there, and it reminds me to try every day to remember to be grateful that I have a job. (Some days are harder than others to do that!)

I hope this is more than a job - but is a job you absolutely fall in love with and look forward with joy to going to every day.

My grandmother had a saying she taught me 50 years ago:

"I just found out, perhaps you knew it,
That work is just play when you like to do it."

Gracious - i hadn't thought of that in decades!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:21 PM

Your name's not Jank?
You know when I met Beth (Bbear), a few times I actually called her Bbear. Weird, huh?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:30 PM

heehee - I bet Beth didn't mind a bit, either!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 8th Jun '09 11:45 PM

She didn't seem to notice!

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 2:37 AM

George Dubya Bush had eight years to sort things out, and he F****D up BIG,BIG time. Obama has so for had just over five months, yet the predudiced ones are writing him off. As an observer from afar, I would prefer to give Obama a chance than have more of that cretin, Bush.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 4:05 AM

Beverly, I'm sorry you are now leveling personal attacks on Dick Morris now that he no longer is in your camp.

Dick is one of the best political minds around, having steered the successful campaigns of candidates of both parties, notably the Clintons. He knows how to craft a candidate's position on an issue so that it is both good policy and good politics.

These days he is alarmed by the radical domestic changes Obama seeks (which he foresaw last year) and by many of his foreign policy initiatives, esp Israel (I believe he is Jewish). He had been so negative on Obama and so pro-McCain over the last year that I couldn't bear to read him last fall.

Nevertheless his early warnings on Obama have proved out.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 4:13 AM

BTW, Beverly, I am still waiting to hear about RepubliKKKlans.

At the same time you seem not to understand that Judge Sotomayor's statement about the superior judgment of a wise Latina over a white man, enunciated a number of times, is clearly racist.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:34 AM

Collioure
Dave, where is the racism you referred to earlier????

Dave, how many months have you lived in the US in the past ten years?

What the F _ _ _ is your point of reference?

Are you now contending that there is no racism in the US ? I see anti Obama racism every single day in Yahoo groups. What has my not living in the US got to do with anything ? You claimed Britain had a socialist government, how long have you lived here? Are you suggesting that everything i see on TV, everything that people who live in the States tell me, and every US based blog i read is wrong ?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:39 AM

Inasmuch as Europe newscasts last fall regularly doubted that the USA could even elect an African-American, and that apparently you have no recent hands-on experience, I'd say most of your thrust is poppycock, Dave.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:41 AM

Am I mistaken, Dave?

Does the UK not have socialized medicine and a generous safety net for the less fortunate?

Oh, you miss the subsidized state industries that Lady Thatcher did away with.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 9:04 AM

Collioure
Am I mistaken, Dave?

Does the UK not have socialized medicine and a generous safety net for the less fortunate?

Oh, you miss the subsidized state industries that Lady Thatcher did away with.

Mistaken about many things i would guess. What has the NHS got to do with Thatcher ? She starved it of funds and nearly destroyed it. The NHS was started under a Labour PM. That old bag is no lady. Hang about a moment and i'll jump and down in glee at the demise of our manufacturing base and mines. You inhabit a strange and insular little world. I'm alright Jack.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 10:33 AM

And just how many of you guys have signed up for the naughty corner for your inflammatory (and lets face it totally wasted comments since none of you will ever convince the other side that you are anything but a bleeding heart liberal commy bastard/republicn racists member of the KKK)?
None?
I thought so.

Do you really think you are doing anything but waste your breath and convince even the people who agree with you that you aren't smart enough to argue politely?

By the way I'm NOT trying to censor you (Linda) just pointing out how childish and ultimately depressing the insults seem to those who arent getting down and dirty.

Carry on; as you were.... nothing to see here.

Barry

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 10:51 AM

Barry, I did NOT start this thread simply replying . I am not going to yet again say that Obama's and Beverly's numbers PROVING the success of his economic program come out of thin air Even he said yesterday that it was not working fast enough-hence the re-sell. The bottom line line is it has to be paid for NOW. If someone doesn't loan us the money this week that would be China-we will have to PRINT it and that is SCARY... Actually if you really look I have not started very many political posts nor have I called people KKK something or said they should get a sex change or implied that they should come out of the closet or some such thing-might want to actually look at who started and who said what before you ASSume and make one of you know who

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 11:37 AM

Just wondering EXACTLY why you felt the need to insert my name in your post, Barry. Is it because you consider me inarticulate? Actually I am quite articulate but a very poor typist. I did not reduce people to the terms you put forth in your post either. I am amazed at what nonsense some put out there as fact and probably do not express my amazement in the kindest way-short and to the point. If you were talking to Andy although you did not specifically say his name as you did mine and the futility of his post another story. Believe very recently you started a thread along the lines of "hard to believe but directly from Cheney". Sure your thread was for information not to inflame though...

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 11:55 AM

Because Barry is a flame thrower, Linda. He likes to take jabs and then poo poo others for doing the same. I believe there's an old saying about a pot calling a kettle black, or something like that.

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.0 - Posts: 1389)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 12:25 PM

As we travel down the path revealing what some folks were denying so vociferously, we will see the last gasps of glibido. Can unemployment get any higher? Are there still some European friends we can insult? What part of this crisis are we going to let go to waste? Will the puppet string pullers reveal themselves? Can we have the King of the World in Washington? When will the media awaken? Do we have to await terrorist devastion in America? Since taking office,1.8 million jobs have been lost. Who knows how to count the ones Obama saved? Right, those in the speech writing department, all 150,000 of them. How can we wreck the best health system in the world?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 12:37 PM

Well, Dave, you contended that the UK was not socialist. I believe most of the nations of western Europe are socialist democracies.

And your reference on racism in the USA is chatting on Yahoo? My, that's soooooh impressive.

weyoun
Weyoun  (Level: 230.2 - Posts: 36)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 2:21 PM

The biggest issue is that the economy is already showing signs of life, and of course the stimulus money has hardly been injected into the economy. My hope is that we can take some of that money back - before it's too late.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 2:27 PM

Yeah, it's not dead.

But what evidence have you that it is not still in decline?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 2:40 PM

Allena


Your reference to your President as being the King in Washington is half true. Your President is the Chief in Washington. Yes, it's true he is in Washington

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 5:40 PM

Just so everyone knows I like BOBO, it is endearing as it is a family pet nickname anyway. I don't mind anyone of you calling me that. Just for general info, even Andy is welcome to call me Bobo. I picked up someone calling him Andy. I hope it is all right. After all "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 5:55 PM

Congratulations on your new job, Bobo.

Must not have been easy to find one in this economy.

All your Sploofus family is happy for you.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:14 PM

Guess it is not the Right Wing Nuts saying he is sort of a god.....

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:17 PM

Thank you sploofus family! I am not done yet I have miles to go before I sleep. Anyway it is just beginning a part time one and I am still interviewing and will get a second job. I have applied online and sent resumes. Yes it has been a little more difficult and they do alot more background checking these days. I at least got a little confidence back. That was nice of you Andy, I appreciate it. You guys are awesome. Now on with the bickering!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:18 PM

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/09/newsweek-editor-obamas-sort-of-god/ sorry forgot to post the link as it left me breathless

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:23 PM

Continued good luck, Bobo.

I really do not want to bicker. At the same time I do not want to read all these ridiculous claims posted by Beverly.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:35 PM

Yes, all good Wishes to you,Bobo, in your job search - Linda

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 7:00 PM

I really appreciate all your support. Linda I was ready to move back to Florida to bug you! I moved here from there about a year ago, I miss it.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 8:28 PM

Linda - just watched the video. I can't tell which of my feelings is the strongest. I'm betting you can guess.

This is commentary from a supposedly trained journalist - the editor of Newsweek Magazine. With journalists like this, who needs enemies?

But I think we must now appeal to the Supreme Court on the grounds of the president not upholding the Constitution, which of course all presidents promise to do. How do you separate church and state if the President is a god?



clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 12:14 AM

Collioure
Well, Dave, you contended that the UK was not socialist. I believe most of the nations of western Europe are socialist democracies.

And your reference on racism in the USA is chatting on Yahoo? My, that's soooooh impressive.

........You can believe what you like, it doesn't make it so. I did not say that my only reference to racism in the US was restricted to Yahoo groups, but you know that don't you Andy ? I really must pull out that WP and read about your dislkes again. I know in your pomposity that you think that you are impressive Andy, but i remain completely underwhelmed.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 3:36 AM

As is too often the case, Dave, you just don't have the goods.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 2:39 PM

And as usual Andy you demonstrate your ability to "talk" without saying anything.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 2:57 PM

Andy
Let's settle it once and for all. Racism still exists in the USA; overtly and covertly; why don't you know that? You know everything else. So leave clevercloggs alone. As a matter of fact, America was built on racism and off the back of African slaves and their descendants. How many presidents had slaves? Some people are really afraid of educated, Black people; not to mention those who just hate African American and other people of color because they have a superiority complex. It's sad that they view their lack of color as a carte blanche. The hands that picked cotton are now picking agenda and policies that affect this country and the world. For you to play that barefaced, unsophisticated, role is really an insult to your intellect and the other people who contribute to this thread. The Civil Rights Bill in America had to be pasted twice; once in the 19th century then again in the 1960's. How do explain that, in addition to Jim Crow and the (Grinch) Newt, Rush Limpballs, absurdly, inept stupid Hannity who use covert racist remarks on a constant basis? What clevercloggs reads are the sentiments of real people who can't accept an African American or a Latina calling the shots. So come out of your act. What do you think about Hezbollah's lost? Let me guess. You probably think it was the luck of the draw.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 3:03 PM

I won't use the word as i promised Salzypat I would not so will say, I am once again breathless..

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 4:04 PM

Beverly, Dave really had no point of reference. He lives in the UK.

Other than that I know there are still folks who still want to capitalize politically on what once was and mostly isn't anymore. But most want to move on. Otherwise Barack could not have been elected.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 4:17 PM

Andy
You can go to any website or view youtube

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 4:19 PM

I'll be in Evanston in five weeks, Beverly.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 4:23 PM

I can't wait. will you bring your laptop with you? I have not been there in a couple of years. When I got to Howard Street I hardly recognized It.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 4:30 PM

I don't have a laptop.

My son, his wife and baby live there. I lived there over 30 years myself.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 4:46 PM


fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 10:12 PM

I will continue to coin phrases like... How many jobs did Bush/ Cheney create? We know how many jobs they destroyed?
I prefer looking forward; instead of seeing the glass half empty I see it half full. It looks like the scare tactics are working on you.

Bigmama, I have to continue to laugh at you...read that again, everybody. Hypocrisy in one paragraph.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 9:02 AM


Fainodraino
Which paragraph and what is so hypocritical?

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 10:22 AM

the paragraph of yours I just quoted, and I'm not surprised if you can't see it.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:13 AM

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/real-estate/foreclosure-filings-fell--april/ there will be more as the ARMS adjust and inflation because of massive spending rises-people dollars will,l be worth less ad less. China is not buying any long term bonds- some as they do depend on us as a trading partner but less and less and seems we depend on them more than they do us. an Treasury is cranking them out in all denomination from 3 months to the ten -30 year ones. Used to be only quarterly now it is a monthly if not weekly practice- te more money we borrow from ourselves-print-the less the money is worth

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:37 AM

Now, Linda, you want to blame China. Ha Ha

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:45 AM

Facts are scary things aren't the, Beverly? China is just covering their butt as that in view of our economy seems a wise decision

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:45 AM

Facts are scary things aren't the, Beverly? China is just covering their butt as that in view of our economy seems a wise decision

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:48 AM


Fainodraino

Your answer was..."the paragraph of yours I just quoted, and I'm not surprised if you can't see it".

________________-----------------------------------------____________________________
Since there were no quotation marks I thought it was you opinion too.
I will continue to coin phrases like... How many jobs did Bush/ Cheney create? We know how many jobs they destroyed?
I prefer looking forward; instead of seeing the glass half empty I see it half full. It looks like the scare tactics are working on you.

YES, I did miss it. However what I see now is... a very young ill- influenced man fill with smear merchants hypocrisy and desire to continue the status quo. Grow -Up



felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 4:53 PM

Bush and Cheney are no longer in office. Get over it. When Barrack Hussein Obama start doing the changes that he promised. Quit covering up your poop by kicking grass on the past administration. Simply show us how we are better off. Just do that, please. Don't rationalize with a tangent or blame past administrations. And don't use the only 5 months crap. He gave no such limitations when running for the office of President.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 4:58 PM

Felix
Please give us what you consider nothing accomplished,


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 5:14 PM

Not trying to speak for Felix but believe defining "not accomplished" would be as difficult as proving "jobs saved" one good thing though he cetainly has brought us together LOL

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 5:39 PM

Sure, I am partial owner of GM. BFD! How have the lives of middle class working people been enhanced by BO?

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 5:45 PM

For starters, perspiration both cools the body and excretes potentially harmful chemicals. This is especially important in hard workers, who build up a lot of heat and process a lot of chemicals in their bocies.

HTH.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 5:50 PM

I agree with Ken, his initials are very descriptive of his policies.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.4 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 8:35 PM

[fear] [silliness] [threats]

synonymy rocks!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 8:52 PM

Ross, obviously you are too deep a thinker for these kinds of threads and they annoy you. Silly of me I'm sure, but why don't you not read them??

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 8:56 PM

Probably part of the reason is because the political threads are ubiquitous and generally push all other threads, from the few remaining people who stop in here, off the front page. That doesn't mean you should stop posting on them or bumping them up....I'm just saying.

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 9:52 PM

Ok, bigmama, I'm going to spell it out for you...here was your quote:

"I will continue to coin phrases like... How many jobs did Bush/ Cheney create? We know how many jobs they destroyed?
I prefer looking forward; instead of seeing the glass half empty I see it half full. It looks like the scare tactics are working on you."

Here's the hypocrisy...now stay with me...first, you talk about Bush/Cheney (more than once), and THEN you say you prefer to look forward...that's it. Got it?

Then you said this...

"However what I see now is... a very young ill- influenced man fill with smear merchants hypocrisy and desire to continue the status quo. Grow -Up"

Ok, so being young means I'm stupid, and apparently I'm "ill-influenced", which is not a word. Then you call ME a hypocrite, which is funny, because I think I'm pretty consistent. I do not desire the status quo, I just don't want to live in a socialist country; I'm tired of rising unemployment despite the presidents promises and made up numbers; I'm tired of seeing my government, Dem or Gop, spend wastefully, and a president who has quadrupled last year's deficits; I don't want nationalized health care because it won't work (look at medicare, Canada, or anywhere else that has it); AND, I'm really tired of people like you who cannot see the president for who he really is; I'm tired of left-wingers who cannot make a good argument, so they instead just bash people and name-call, even if they have never met me and know nothing about me.


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 4:40 AM

Fainodraino rocks

and has Beverly's number.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 7:47 AM

Fainodraino

Here's the hypocrisy...now stay with me...first, you talk about Bush/Cheney (more than once), and THEN you say you prefer to look forward...that's it. Got it? ..."Ok, so being young means I'm stupid, and apparently I'm "ill-influenced", which is not a word.
________________-----------------------------------------____________________________-

Regardless, of the semantics you seem to have gotten the message. Being a youth doesn't make stupid. As a matter of fact you're the person calling yourself “stupid." What I was trying to say is that in my opinion (I am entitled to one) of some one taking advantage of your young mind. The vile attacks from them on your President may be clouding your judgments. If that's not true, it is not my responsibility to mother you. You are an adult so if that's what you think c'est la vie.

Referring to Bush and Cheney is neither hypocritical nor regressive. Are you aware of how to problem solve? Going to the source (in this case the past and present actions) of Bush and Cheney allows the solution to advance forward for an outcome. Oh, by the way your personal attacks on me are illustrations of what is turning many people off on this forum.


felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 10:05 AM

Faino Rocks!!!!!!!

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 11:04 AM

No one is taking advantage of my young mind. I am certainly not being brainwashed, if that's what you're implying. You actually sound like Obama...trying to explain away your comments by saying you meant something else. Good grief. And it's so ironic that you're complaining about personal attacks from me. And thanks for blaming me for turning everyone off, since I'm barely ever even here.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 11:11 AM

Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith, and in purity. 1 Timothy 4:12



bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 11:39 AM


Fudypatootie

I am certainly not being brainwashed, if that's what you're implying. You actually sound like Obama...trying to explain away your comments by saying you meant something else. Good grief. And it's so ironic that you're complaining about personal attacks from me. And thanks for blaming me for turning everyone off, since I'm barely ever even here.

Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith, and in purity. 1 Timothy 4:12
__________________--------------------------------------______________________________
I meant what I said. It only takes one disparaging remark to turn people off.

I'm am I no way looking down on you. That is your interpretation.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 9:57 PM

Actually, that was for my little brother, Fainodraino, whose name happens to be Timothy.

And he was raised very well, as was I, by my wonderful mom and dad.


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