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weyoun
Weyoun  (Level: 230.2 - Posts: 36)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:40 PM

TOURNAMENTS

Am I to take it that it is standard practice to google for these? That, or some of the winners are narcoleptic, nopping off during the occasional quiz...

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 6:54 PM

Yeah, that's why they are kinda no fun.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.8 - Posts: 3302)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 7:02 PM

Pisses me off, but yeah, a bunch of folks seem to routinely google. I was very embarrassed that the site hung up one day when I was taking one of the tournament quizzes, and it appeared that it took me 500 seconds to take a single quiz. I promise I didn't google, I promise.

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.4 - Posts: 1636)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 7:14 PM

I used to try to do them without Googling, or at least with a minimum of Googling. I usually had total times at about 1000 seconds or even less. But when I kept getting thrashed by folks with anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 seconds, I got tired of it and started googling more often. I set a personal goal of trying to keep it below 2000 seconds total, but I've even passed that a few times recently. (Some of the recent tournaments have been particularly tough.)

It's kind of a problem, because I know a lot of folks are turned off by this approach. I see some very capable individuals with quick times buried in the standings because they refuse to Google, and that's not right. And I'm sure there are also several excellent Sploofus quiz takers who have just bagged the tournaments. Some recent tournaments have had very low turnouts. This all means that winning a tournament these days is pretty tainted. I've won a few over the last few months, but tend to think that there are several smarter players out there who could have whipped me if it wasn't for the Google problem. (You for instance, Weyoun, clobbered me when you participated a couple of times!)

So, I suppose it would be great if Googling could be banned. But since that can't be enforced, I'd suggest join the Google crowd or forego the tournaments. The decreasing participation has been kind of a downer lately, so I'm guessing I'll switch from the Googlers to the non-participants before long. Just need to clear up this addiction thing.

weyoun
Weyoun  (Level: 230.2 - Posts: 36)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 7:15 PM

One possible answer would be to make the winner a function of both % right and time.

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.4 - Posts: 1636)
Tue, 9th Jun '09 7:27 PM

You're absolutely right, Weyoun. It would be done in the same way the Question of the Day takes away points as more time goes by. I'd really enjoy that.

Unfortunately, changes like this just don't happen in Sploofus. In my time here using the site, I've seen several excellent suggestions for how to tweak the scoring of various games, but no action has ever been taken.

I sent several bugs requests, hoping the old "Sploofactor" leaderboard would come back. That was a nice combination of accuracy and speed. But, nope, it's apparently gone forever.

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 8:45 AM

I think we should remember that not everyone plays the same way or for the same reason. Some folks want to win by proving that they already know more than other players (or that they have the fastest combination of knowledge, hand/eye coordination, computer, and internet connection), and some folks are here to LEARN about topics they don't already know inside-out. If someone takes the time to Google, he/she may be learning something. Some folks care a lot about points -- some, not so much. Some enjoy the learning process and may see the points as validation that they "got it."

Personally, I like the idea of using a points formula that includes the element of time. But I can understand that someone else might prefer things stay as they are.

I have participated in very few tournaments -- I actually forgot that they still existed until I read this tread.

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5888)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 10:17 AM

That is the biggest reason that I don't do them anymore either. Why in the world go to that much trouble just to make the BEST score? Ego maniacs.

m48ortal
M48ortal  (Level: 251.6 - Posts: 3742)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 11:27 AM

In almost total agreement with Zeedee. I enjoy the tournaments because of the creativity of combining quizzes to fit a theme. I don't have much spare time anymore (who does??) so It's fun to run thru a topic without having to search for quizzes. I like the theme tournaments more than the author ones, but the authors chosen have to consider it an honor.

If the topic is something I want to know more about, I google. Usually before I take the quiz, but sometimes during. I'm OK with a scoring system that combines % and time, but would have no idea how to do it fairly. When I try to do a quiz for speed, but my wife is talking to me... Let's just say we just passed our 40 year anniversary because I've never told her to hush.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6646)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 11:29 AM

The time com bination would be a piece of cake once you set a default standard. Like cross-country for equestrians.

You get 120 seconds to answer the quiz -- or 1200 for the ten. Every additional ten seconds you lose a mark. Bingo!

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.8 - Posts: 3302)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 12:20 PM

I've been asking for a time/score formula since they started, but folks complain that those on dial up would be at a disadvantage. I figure you don't get anything for winning anyway - I just like the combinations of quizzes. I enter them all, but then frequently stop at 2 or 3 quizzes if I know nothing about the topic. Just finished the National Parks tourny, though - that was fun.

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.4 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 1:22 PM

I know this is come across as defensive, but I'll say it anyway. Marsha, why does trying to win a competition equate to being an egomaniac? Are you also calling the other folks who consistently win Sploofus competitions egomaniacs? Is Larrybus an egomaniac because he continues to answer his TQOTD questions correctly, keeping him on top for all of us to see?

Or perhaps you're suggesting that the Googlers are more ego-consumed because they're willing to "cheat." Well, I don't believe they're hiding the fact that they Google (I'm not), and there are certatinly no stated rules against Googling. I agree wholeheartedly with those who say the competition is tainted, and time should be part of the scoring, but I don't think it's right to refer to folks who try win competions as "egomaniacs."



garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6646)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 3:05 PM

Add my vote to Daveguth -- who by the way regularly in the tournament set the impressive combo of highest score and fastest taker.
In my view if you google the quizzes it is perfectly fair and legal --and if you are like me you try to win at everything.
I DON'T google the quizzes but i might if i had time. If I had a 98% score and needed 100 on the last quiz to overtake Dave....I'm sure I'd google then!
And if it was overtaking slicko....I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Until the conditions of contest change anyone who wants too google should; and if they DO change it would actually make the time/accuracy calculation more involved --and therefore more fun?

Barry

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.9 - Posts: 893)
Wed, 10th Jun '09 10:08 PM

If I like the topic, I'll stay with it. But when most of the questions call for something numeric -- like year, how many, etc.-- I'm turned off and I give it a low score.

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.4 - Posts: 1636)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 1:58 PM

A flawed scoring system, lack of participation in the tournaments, and comments about cheating and egomaniacs, all have pushed me to the conclusion that's it's just not worth it to mess with them any more. I can enjoy these fun quizes in their regular locations.

I'll probably give one last shot at the current topic because it's a subject I enjoy and know well, but then that's it. There's a couple of super-Googlers who will probably be happy with my exit.

weyoun
Weyoun  (Level: 230.2 - Posts: 36)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 2:55 PM

Billkozy will be thrilled.


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