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Oldcougar  (Level: 222.7 - Posts: 1935)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 4:23 PM


While I don't mind political discussions on the Salty Dog (though I doubt any of us are changing the oppositions mind) can we all knock off the personal crap. It may be fair to slag politicians & other media folks but it is against Sploofus rules to attack fellow members. This type of insult is on the rise & it is seriously putting me & others off of Sploofus. In the future I intend to make an official complaint against any & all the offenders & I hope others will do the same. Sorry to the Editors for all the extra work when you should be busy getting out quizzes & other neat stuff. Do some of you not realize that you can have your account pulled for this behaviour? Sorry to be such a nanny but it upsets me & with my crappy health I can't afford the extra stress. Of course, I wouldn't have to be a nanny if everyone behaved like adults.


Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5235)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 4:41 PM

Here Here!!

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 4:59 PM

It is getting very personal, isn't it?

People are weird.

Jeannette  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1735)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 5:28 PM

i agree Randy hugs x

Papajensai  (Level: 196.6 - Posts: 1024)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:10 PM

Hear, Hear! Thank you for putting it right up front like that, Randy. The only alternative right now for most of us is to just stay out of the Sploofus chat forums, because the political gasbags are gonna say what they wanna say, and if you don't like it, too bad. Well, I don't like it, either, that they have taken over this whole community. I say hold them to the minimal rules that run this place--personal attacks can't be tolerated. Turn 'em in and let the hall monitors put them on report. The minimal entertainment value of hearing their tired opinions is outweighed by the colossal waste of time and bandwidth. Hallelujah, holy crap, where's the tylenol!

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:13 PM

Since none of you stood up when the Bush bashing was going on last fall your concerns are just that, '"yours".

Papajensai  (Level: 196.6 - Posts: 1024)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:19 PM

Not talking about Bush bashing or Obama bashing or Palin bashing or Cheney bashing. Talking about bashing of fellow Sploofus players. Cut it out. You're just fouling up everybody's air and water.

Collioure  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:21 PM

I'm really not sure what you are referring to in the present context, Randy.

So please intercede with the pink screen posts where you see such.

Thank you.

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:26 PM

There were two ladies. One in the south and one in the midwest that debased anyone that disagreed with them last fall. Although mostly silent now (because you its hard to defend BO) I never saw this group saying to not make it personal. You are a little late.

Caramel1  (Level: 130.5 - Posts: 21651)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:32 PM

Salzypat was kind enough to send me a polite pm as Randy's Thread is polite in tone. I had the habit of changing just one letter in a religious name when words failed me and frustration set in. She told me that she was sure that I was not trying to offend-was not- but was not using the word in a prayerful way-was not. I haven't used it since although my frustration continues- Linda

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 6:50 PM

Well that is the flip side of watching the negativity. There are always going to be those that are going to get all pinched over words like turd or geesus.

Bbear  (Level: 162.7 - Posts: 2296)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 7:05 PM

I read many posts but haven't seen as much "nasty" as maybe you all are perceiving?? I'm not seeing it, since two of our group disappeared a number of months ago.

Lodi - what on earth is that a picture of? I want the screaming baby back!

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 7:09 PM

I was resting my feet up on a tree in the backyard. I thought it looked artistic. It doesn't.

Collioure  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 7:10 PM

I don't see the personal attacks either, Beth. I receive a few from those who have difficulty forming a cogent argument.

And Lodi sure does have a strange photo there. Not a horse or a totem pole . . . ???

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 7:24 PM

Randy, in general I will admit to not reading "most" of the political threads, as they generally involve thinly veiled put downs, require hefty doses of overgeneralizations to participate, and endlessly discuss surface issues and nothing "too deep". When they do start to get a discussion about the deeper differences that exist between people, they usually get redirected again to surface issues regarding what came out on the news today, which leads to no resolution to the endless arguing by anybody. Should you see said abuse, I think you should do as you have said you will do. My opinion.

At first I didn't know what Lodi's avatar was, but after I made it out I liked Lodi's avatar. It seemed like a nice peaceful photo of somebody relaxing outside somewhere.

Caramel1  (Level: 130.5 - Posts: 21651)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 7:43 PM

I want Lodi to bed Eseus again-never could spell that though

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 7:56 PM

Choose Something Like a Star -- Robert Frost

O Star (the fairest one in sight),
We grant your loftiness the right
To some obscurity of cloud --
It will not do to say of night,
Since dark is what brings out your light.
Some mystery becomes the proud.
But to be wholly taciturn
In your reserve is not allowed.

Say something to us we can learn
By heart and when alone repeat.
Say something! And it says "I burn."
But say with what degree of heat.
Talk Fahrenheit, talk Centigrade.
Use language we can comprehend.
Tell us what elements you blend.

It gives us strangely little aid,
But does tell something in the end.
And steadfast as Keats' Eremite,
Not even stooping from its sphere,
It asks a little of us here.
It asks of us a certain height,

So when at times the mob is swayed
To carry praise or blame too far,
We may choose something like a star
To stay our minds on and be staid.

Salzypat  (Level: 158.4 - Posts: 5356)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 8:16 PM

Lodi: "There are always going to be those that are going to get all pinched over words like turd or geesus."

I doubt that "pinched" would ever come up if you would ask my friends to describe me, .

I will not apologize or go back on my stand that taking the Lord's name in vain, even with a fake spelling, is offensive to me. I thank Linda who considered my request with the same understanding and friendliness she always has when we have communicated on a variety of subjects..

You can say the "t" word if you want, Lodi, and I don't care. I think it's a word that does not belong in polite conversation, but if you do, go ahead.

I will, however, always take a stand on the use of the Lord's name in what I consider inappropriate ways, because as a follower of his, I believe that is required of me. I would hope that if my name was used in inappropriate ways, my friends would stand up for me, too.

Mplaw51  (Level: 181.6 - Posts: 1581)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 9:54 PM

On infrequent occasions, I have gone off the deep end before I thought it out. Admittedly, I didn't apologize when I "reviewed the situation" because generally I meant what I said. That didn't give me any right to be rude though. I quite agree that the low road, with all of it horns honking and brakes squealing, is visited a bit more often than it needs to be around here.
I've started posts many times and deleted them because I thought I was pushing the envelope (at least for me). Just reading what you write is a good idea....maybe a little more of that should happen.
All in all, you're right, Randy. Too many insulting remarks are being waved around with no concern for how one might react to being called out so publicly.

Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1139)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:24 PM

Randy, you are not alone - I hardly ever sign on to Sploofus anymore - it's not as light hearted and fun as when I first joined about a year and a half ago. And yes, I know people can choose not to look at the political threads but just knowing they are there in such great numbers and knowing the hatred that is spewed and the name calling - well, it's depressing. I am all for being passionate about your beliefs but to stoop to the level that many Sploofusers - liberal and conservative (this is not a partisan complaint) have here is really disheartening to me and not what I joined a trivia game site for. Good luck in trying to stop it though!

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:37 PM

Thankfully, this is sploofus and the salty dog, and not the church pot luck. I sure hope you aren't an editor Salzypat, because you would definitely be one of those who would be wayyyyyyyyyyyy out of line with the deleted posts.

Diva305  (Level: 148.9 - Posts: 1654)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:43 PM

What's the "T Word"


Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 11th Jun '09 11:57 PM

hahahaha. I think that must be "turd."

I missed that. Thanks, Diva.

Diva305  (Level: 148.9 - Posts: 1654)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 12:11 AM

Oh Damn!
I think I squished a Turd Bug in Word Rounds.
I'm gonna sue-it's all over my Monolo shoes!

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:00 AM

Ok...let's call a spade a spade.

T'was me that bashed Bush (guess I'm the one from the Midwest)...yes I did it during the election. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY post by me regarding politics that wasn't during the election. So, that being said....I did NOT do it before, have not done it since. Heidi/Linda/Carmel called me out on SEVERAL occasions saying my posts were "fluff" because I don't care to get into this entire mess. Occasionally, I find myself compelled to respond and thankfully after I do, there are still some friends I have on here that chide me and remind me I can't beat them, so why waste my time.

THAT being said, the constant barrage of insane CRAP that is thrown around here lately (Geesus can't we just agree to disagree and move on)? is mind numbing and seriously a waste of my time.

The fact that the word "geesus" offends someone or "turd" is beyond my grasp....cause seriously? Are you THAT wrapped up in your own view of the world that you can't understand this is MY vocabulary? I like it and I won't change for you...not asking you to change for me. Trust me...I've had editors ask me to tone down my language, flat out refused. (well except for the F word which apparently gets the post deleted in line 6 seconds...I timed it). Don't like my adjectives, please read elsewhere.

I'm with Nerdy one...I loved this place not too long it bores the begeesus out of me.

Kiss my grits.


Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:04 AM

God I've missed you!

Salzypat  (Level: 158.4 - Posts: 5356)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:11 AM

Lodi, I hope you don't think that the only place I practice my beliefs and standards is at a church potluck supper. If that's the case, you are mistaken.

And by the way, Lodi, I was a news editor for a daily newspaper for 5 years and I applied my standards to what I published in that paper. Not a single person complained that there was not enough cussing or crude language in the paper. I also did not allow cussing and swearing in the newsroom and I was backed up by the editor and the publisher. So I am not so sure I'd be so bad as an editor; I do have experience.

Diva, I hope you and Lodi are having a good time TRYING to make me look ridiculous for my beliefs and standards. The only thing you are accomplishing is discouraging others who feel as I do (they've contacted me by other e-mail accounts) from coming forth because they don't want to take your ridicule.

Ann Landers had a classic line that I loved. It said: "What Jack says about Jill says more about Jack than it does Jill."

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:27 AM one is trying to make you look anyway....some people speak in different ways than others.

Doesn't make EITHER right or wrong. It's a difference of opinion. For some bizarre reason, I don't thing swearing makes me sound any less intelligent, cause frankly I don't care if you judge my IQ based on my language. I'm very animated and I like it that way. Conversely, I don't think that because someone chooses not to drop the F bomb, they are more intelligent. What constitutes a "bad" word to some, might not be to others. Some people don't think (present company included) that geesus or for that matter turd is offensive...I think it's part of our collective vocabulary.

So use whatever adjectives you want...all good. I think that was the point.

I could be wrong...not the first time, won't be the last.


(P.S. Lodi....I don't swing that way)

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:34 AM

We'll always have Philly.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:37 AM

I salzypat and chick both! good to see ya again HRH.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:48 AM

I must admit a do get a bit het up when paedophilia, rape and murder are described as " a mistake"; and i'm called a liar in the same post. Just call me touchy.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 2:28 AM

Anyone who knows me even slightly in real life or in IM knows the color of my language shades to deep blue, and knows that I don't have a prudish cell in my body. I don't think that's the point.

I don't use the same vocabulary in every situation and social setting, and I doubt many potty-mouths do. Even the most routinely crude among us will curb their freedom of expression if young children or their dear old silver-haired Jesus-loving granny are present.

I like a dirty word as much as anyone, but this is not the first internet community I've been a part of, and I've posted under similar rules before and don't have a problem with it - I'm not allowed to say that here? okay, not my house, I can at least try to follow the rules. Matter of fact, I kind of like that it stretches me. Naturally, I'm cussing a blue storm as I type.

I would hate to see this place littered with F-bombs, because I know if it was I'd be using them too, and that's not my best self, which is who I try to be here, mostly. And if using Jesus (or Geesus) as an exclamation bothers Pat enough to make her ask me not to, I can avoid it without too much hardship. I'm NOT saying everyone should do the same, but I can.

I'm not shocked or offended by the words people use, but by how they use them. Much damage has been done to the community, even without profanity. I'd rather paper the place with friendly obscenities than see any more of the snide insults and personal attacks posing as debate.

Caramel1  (Level: 130.5 - Posts: 21651)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 4:37 AM

I like Pat personally and do not want to offend her so I have quit using it as she explained my frequent and explicit word offended her personally. I don't know if I can go so far as to refrain from calling your posts "fluff' though, Chick. I am sure I will find another word to express complete frustration at a few here Wish Smaug would come back. He could be nasty and insulting even by what he left out but everyone learned to love him

Achad  (Level: 206.8 - Posts: 661)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 5:35 AM


How do you feel about the use of 'strewth', 'zounds', 'gadzooks', egad' and 'ods bodikins'? which represent 'By God's Truth', 'By God's Wounds', 'By God's Hooks (the nails on Christ's cross)', 'Oh God' and 'By God's little body'. Are they any better or worse than other words in common usage?


Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 6:15 AM

Why even have a salty dog? If the shoe fits wear it.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 6:16 AM

I think it's great to use the standards of allowable words as a newspaper does for a public, family-friend forum.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 6:20 AM

Wow, Achad, that's really interesting. Thanks!

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 11:04 AM

Jank0614 (
I think it's great to use the standards of allowable words as a newspaper does for a public, family-friend forum.

As a matter of interest, do we know if anyone under 18 (eg) reads or contributes here ? If anyone over 18, (tall slim blonde and female) would like to contribute, i know a frightfully good cause.

1mks  (Level: 213.8 - Posts: 5908)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 11:27 AM

Thanks for trying Randy.

Asor  (Level: 158.6 - Posts: 592)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 11:58 AM

Well put, Smoke!

Tuzilla  (Level: 137.4 - Posts: 3791)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:17 PM

Hmmmmmmmm. I guess this is a good time for me to take a "WHAT DID YOU LEARN? moment.

Lessssssee...uuuuuuuhhhhh. What have I learned, here???

Ahhhhhh yes! I have learned the past improper/discourteous behavior justifies present improper/discourteous behavior and mandates its continuance in the form of future improper/discourteous behavior. STAY THE COURSE!!!!!!!!!!

Don't go changing to try and please me,
You never let me down before.
And don't imagine you're too familiar,
And I don't see you anymore.

I would not leave you in times of trouble,
We never could have come this far.
I took the good times, I'll take the bad times,
I take you just the way you are.

I need to know that you will always be,
The same old someone that I knew.
Ah, what will it take till you believe in me,
The way that I believe in you?

I said I love you and that's forever,
And this I promise from the heart.
I could not love you any better,
I love you just the way you are.

I don't want clever conversation,
I never want to work that hard.
I just want someone that I can talk to,
I want you just the way you are.

Bakerstreeet  (Level: 42.7 - Posts: 187)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 1:53 PM

When I joined this site, I innocently thought it was about word puzzles! Thus far, I have read more political infighting within the forums than in Washington. I absolutely LOVE reading any and all diverse opinions on issues, and reading how passionate members are about their views can be enriching. However, I HATE reading personal attacks on other members. If a thread begins to degenerate into that type of thing, I exercise personal censorship and leave. Unfortunately, I have been unable to stay reading but a few political threads recently. If this trend continues, it seems apparent that most members who do not communicate in that aggressive manner will have no option but to leave the forums. Inwardly, it feels like being forced out, but actually, it's a choice-thing. I do not want to contribute, in public language or private thoughts, in tearing at -- or tearing down -- another member for their political stance, or view on any topic. Truthfully, I WILL NOT do so. I come from a work environment where that type of critical communication was almost the only type of communication that existed. It hurt me to hear it then, and it almost hurts even worse to read it here in a recreational environment among a group of people brought together by common interests. I joined for real community, not private cliques and interpersonal warfare.

Salzypat  (Level: 158.4 - Posts: 5356)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 2:16 PM

Smoke - you hit the nail on the head. You gave us the answer to the age-old "censorship" problem.

"I don't use the same vocabulary in every situation and social setting ... Even the most routinely crude among us will curb their freedom of expression if young children or their dear old silver-haired Jesus-loving granny are present.

"I like a dirty word as much as anyone .... I'm not allowed to say that here. OKAY, NOT MY HOUSE.. I can at least try to follow the rules."

The above emphasis in the last paragraph is mine.

This chat forum is NOT your house or my house. This is Justin's living room and he has invited all of us to stop in and visit with one another. One asked if there were any kids under 18 on Salty Dog. Don't you remember the young man, 14, who posted the other day that he was graduating from middle school. Of course we have teens on here.

But when you go to a gathering in someone's home and you have a large mix of people, from silver-haired Jesus-loving grannies to young teens, all races, rich and poor, male and female, Christians, atheists, Muslims, etc., don't you adjust your language to be appropriate for all people and all ages?

So here's a good rule of thumb - thanks to Smoke's post - this is not our living room. We are all guests here. So let's all adjust our language accordingly to not be offensive to anyone. It doesn't require a special talent, just consideration for one another.

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 2:16 PM

It truly did not use to be this way on sploofus. We had a great community of great friends who spent thousands of dollars to meet each other in person. That community is gone, and its very sad.

I don't mind the diversity of discussions here on Sploofus. I tend to ignore the ones that get too ugly, but I admit that I learn a lot, just by perusing but not participating. Again, its my choice, as it is everyone else's. I mostly appreciate that I am allowed that choice. What does get incredibly old are the people who are unwilling or unable to find a middle road anywhere. Anyone else's opinions and beliefs, if they do not parallel theirs, is wrong, stupid, and immoral.

Lively and passionate discussion is great. Extremists, no matter what the subject, suck.

It is possible to strike against the salty dog and start using one of the other threads for normal conversations.

Chender  (Level: 196.2 - Posts: 160)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 9:17 PM

It's been obvious to me since I joined the site that there was a group of good friends on here. I'm sure I've not been alone in quietly giggling at the good humoured banter that took place, but also feeling slightly uneasy as though I were eavesdropping.

I do feel you have to rescue that lovely, comfortable feeling of being amongst friends: it's a major part of what makes these sites successful, being able to say what you want to without offending or being criticised.

The thought occurs to me that perhaps you could form a team of "Splooforiginals", invite only those you choose to share your time with and use the message board there in peace.

I'd miss the quick wit of many of you, but would be happy to think you'd found a way to continue enjoying the site.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 9:54 PM

LOL Chender! Kinda funny, always feel like I JUST missed something good. Like being born in 1955 and barely missing out on being a hippy. And too old to be a punk rocker. I hope we can rebuild the Sploofus community.

Lynnm  (Level: 229.3 - Posts: 1978)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 10:19 PM

I think the idea is to communicate. I've learned the hard way that when I use "blue" language about half the population immediately stops listening. That means I'm not communicating and therefore not reaching my goal.

That said, some people are too sensitive. If I happen to dislike or disagree with your favorite politician/philosopher/prophet/movie star, that is not a reflection on YOU. I fully respect every individual's right to choose a value system and live it. That doesn't mean MY values become invalid.

Let people be who they are! I like the Billy Joel lyrics in Tuzilla's post, and you know what? Life's too short. Enjoy the diversity.

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 10:50 PM

Lynnm rocks at more than WP's!

Lodi  (Level: 101.1 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 10:54 PM

BTW Chender, welcome and join in. That's what I did when I joined.

Oh and here's another Billy Joel lyric:

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun...........

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