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bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 3:12 PM

MIR-HOSSEIN MOUSSAVI HAS BROUGHT CHANGE TO IRAN

Ex prime minister Mir-Hossein Moussavi has won the election in Iran. Is this another aspect of the Obama effect?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 3:25 PM

What is your source for election result, please? I even checked MSNBC and they like the others do not declare a winner-record turnouts and extended voting times. Woud be interested in your source

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 3:32 PM

seems it is not a done deal-both have declared themselves the winner-voting turn-out is a positive though one would think- Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 3:55 PM

Nothing to do with Obama, Beverly.

Everything to do with Ahmadine-Nutjob.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 4:43 PM

Ahmadine-Nutjob.


I think that is the only thing I have ever agreed with you on.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 4:48 PM

I don't care who gets the credit or the blame, just as long as I never have to hear another (self-censoring string of adjective insults) word from the nutjob ever again. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be trading the evil you know for the evil you don't know. I apologize to anyone offended by my name calling.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 5:12 PM

Linda
I was surprised too because of the first results. Ahmadinejad is claiming victory too now. The usual corrupt story of elections.

The first report came as MIR-HOSSEIN MOUSSAVI as the winner. It appears we have to wait. If MIR-HOSSEIN MOUSSAVI does win he could pressure as Iranian President to the Supreme Leader who calls the shots in Iran due to the will of the people. Doing this change allows the cultural clash the younger generations want politically, socially, and economically.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 5:37 PM


Andy

Nothing to do with Obama, Beverly.

Everything to do with Ahmadine-Nutjob.

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Ahmadinejad is struggling for his political future. The reason I said The Obama effect is… at least the people don't want a leader who spends money on nuclear power instead of their country and lies and embarrasses their country by denying the holocaust. With the Obama effect, I think; it motivated those people even more so to put down their suppression.

Also, your refutation of the hate groups study being rescinded by the Department of Homeland was not taken back due to the increasing numbers were inaccurate. It is /changed in description because the Anti-Defamation League complained about the way certain segments of the population were depicted. Depiction and numbers are two entirely different things.

So it appears you are the one who understands nothing as usual.


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 5:50 PM

Nothing to do with Obama, Beverly.

Dream on.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 6:56 PM

Beverly, you began with this

"Ex prime minister Mir-Hossein Moussavi has won the election in Iran. Is this another aspect of the Obama effect?"

Uh, I don't think so, dear. Two leaps of faith.

1. Moussavi lost big time to Ahmadi-nutjob
2. Moussavi's showing had nothing to do with Obama

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 12:09 AM

It's irrelevant, the religious "nut jobs" rule Iran. It must remind many here of when The Shrub was in the White House....."God told me to do it"

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:10 AM

I find it disturbing that the nutjob says it is "not important and doesn't matter" that large sectors of his people are rioting. It gives me hope that his own people are outraged by his win.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:25 AM

The point is that if the other guy had won-his policy towards nuclear would have been the same as the president does not set policy the Supreme Ruler does. Unrest might be a good thing if it topples those religious leaders who have been in charge of things for a very long time. The other guy had a different tone although same policies which actually might have made it more difficult for the US and allies to take any action against Iran-big bully thin poor Iran thing. .

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 12:25 PM

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/06/mousavi-started-irans-nuclear-program.html this is a blog but it shows Mousavi actually started Iran's nuclear program. About the only thing he has ever vocalized as being different from the nutjob was stating that he believed t was wrong for nutjob to deny Holocaust. Think the Israel leaders speech will be interesting as he is the one who has to walk a fine line. his immediate issue is not alienating the Right who elected him while at the same time not cutting off the US as friend. Obama in his Egypt speech made that a difficult line to walk in his talk about the settlements. John Q Public in Israel in Israel take Obama's word to mean they cannot have babies without someone else getting out. Like myself they are having difficulty figuring out what he is going to do by what he says

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 6:06 PM

Beverly, I'm withdrawing my statement above that Ahmadi-nutjob won. The vote totals reported today are almost as phony as the happy talk from the Obama administration about the economy. The election may have been stolen.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 6:16 PM

I never thought he won "fair and square", or he would be concerned about the riots, which he clearly stated he is not. I don't know who the better candidate was, or if the Supreme whatever is the one with his hand on the button but change is needed there or we will be at war with them within the decade.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 6:21 PM

More than likely it has it seems. Looking at analysis-yes Fox-seems there are actually 3 factions. All 4 of the candidates running had been approved by the religious leaders -hence no real actual policy differences. Nutjob will use everything he has control over to put down opposition. Within his guard and army there are also forces that support the runner-up. The young people-students- are the key. They are sick of the whole regime. Obama put himself in a bad position by saying he is willing to talk with Iran without conditions. If he talks to nutjob it legitimizes him-some say don't know enough to be sure- that he should support at least vocally the "rioters" like has been done in other places like South African but should not recognize nutjob. He will have to take a position one would think by tomorrow.

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.1 - Posts: 240)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 9:09 AM

Obama set the sun in the sky, didn't he, Bigmama. Good grief.

weyoun
Weyoun  (Level: 230.2 - Posts: 36)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 3:36 PM

Why not the Bush effect? He's done more - albeit ineptly - to democratize the Middle East than a man who has been in office for a couple of months. Heck, I'll go so far to suggest that the Iranians have something to do with this latest event, too.

Oh, wait - let me guess - Bush is all bad, Obama all good. Of course, it's never that simple.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:51 PM

He just covered all the right bases in his office with the Italian lady-not sure he could have done anything else without looking like the Us was trying to run Iran- Guess it was good he finally said something even though he is still going to legitimize "nutjob" Just hope these young people don't end up likehttp://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/06/01/tiananmen/ this as they are dealing with the same type of regime

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21605)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:34 PM

last link didn't work . Thgis one pretty much says it allhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJBnHMpHGRY&NR=1


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