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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Fri, 12th Jun '09 7:48 PM

THE DAILY SHOW ON THE NEW YORK TIMES (WARNING SOME WILL NOT SEE THE HUMOR)

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/140597/ouch!_the_daily_show_decimates_the_new_york_times_/ Course I LOVED it

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 4:43 AM

Linda

I have not looked at this yet, but I will. Thank you; I'm away so would have missed it.

The Daily Show is my favorite source of news at the moment; of course they are not an equal opportunity insulter...there are more attacks on the right than the left -- whether that is because of the sensibilities of the editors, writers presenters or network I neither known nor care!

So long as they continue to be funny I'll buy into them.

(By the way.....Didnt Fox start an attempt to cover humor from the right a few months/years ago?)

Barry

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 7:25 AM

Fox’s endeavor to cover the news from any perceptive in my opinion (everyone is entitled to one in the USA) is a humorous attempt to portray any news media. Seriously, there is a program which comes on at 3 AM EST called "Red Eye". Also that stupid inept Hannity has tried to capture Jon Steward and Steven Colbert's humorous format with his liberal translation segment on his show which is not funny at all. It’s really an idiotic attempt of that stupid Hannity to try and parse words of liberals

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 7:57 AM

You see we started out with a nice thread from Linda and it turns into insults and vituperation. Can't we all if not just get along at least not hand out the insults on EVERY thread?

Barry

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:00 AM

The grey lady still has the best crossword in the world though!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:00 AM

I am clueless as to what Fox or Hannity have tio do with this comedy thing on the New York Times. Incidentally, read the "whacko" Krugman article yesterday on the hate perpetuated by Fox and personalities on Fox. I now know exactly where you get your material-wasn't going to say that until you posted this out of the blue. You would make a bit of sense if you used facts to support someone/something in which you believe rather than saying things that are simply your opinion about those you do not- have said many times don;'t like Hannity's approach but he has nothing to do with this thread about the Daily's show's ip on the New York Times- BREATHLESS

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:02 AM

Sandy, agree with you on the crossword-he best

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:36 AM

I saw it - a hoot! Nobody does satire better than the Daily Show.

Sadly, all newspapers are relics of the past, I fear. Damn shame, I've always loved newspapers.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:54 AM

Barry
I didn't attack any one personally. I only attacked the media is that a crime?

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:55 AM

Linda, that was soooo funny - thanks for posting something that I could enjoy. I've been staying away from the political posts because some people have lost sight of what this site is about and it is too painful to see the name calling. This, though - nice! I hope you will start more threads with this kind of thing!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:59 AM

I used to be such a newspaper junkie. When I lived in the bay area, I read The SF Chronicle, Examiner, and Oakland Tribune daily. My fingers were forever stained black. Now when I pick one up, it's just not very interesting, except for the columnists and the crossword. And you can get those online too!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:11 AM

So much I could say on this subject......but won't, except two things.
Sustainable funding model which is the thorny issue most papers haven't figured out to make their online media viable. (Whole nuther topic on advertising...Google news and others aggregating news without paying...)
And the shift to blogs, interesting and entertaining, but the reader has to do a really good job of discerning opinion vs. fact (and many other factors to put in perspective what they're reading and making decisions based upon what they read.)

IMO We are in the middle of a seismic-like shift in journalism (the biggest since the Penny Press of the mid 19th century), and there's the potential for really good, healthy change.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:20 AM

Don't know if anyone cares, but this is a link I have my students watch
in one of my mass comm classes.

http://robinsloan.com/epic/

The link is in tiny print in the middle of the page. It's a bit farfetched
(maybe) but does suggest what a society without newspapers and without
journalists might look like.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:21 AM

Thank you, Foogs!!!

Anyone see the film "Idiocracy"?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:31 AM

Fascinating -thanks-Ross

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:53 AM

For the elite and the elderly. Hmm, know which cat I'll fit in. But will they still have the crossword???? Oh, I know, the crossword will be tailored to each unique user too. Oh pooh.
Foogs, what did your students think of the video?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:25 AM

Newspapers that tell yesterday's news, a day late, every day, seems like a wasteful use of trees now. Of course, if the aliens take out our wind turbines and solar panels, at least the papers would tell us how they did it. We'd only be in panic for about 16 hours, tops.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:27 AM

LOL Jank! Yeah, stuff is less alarming a day later.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:30 AM

Sandra in "The Net" scared me

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:32 AM

What net am I in?? Yikes, hope it's not a spidery thing!

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:33 AM

What I focus on, and what students agree is more than a bit scary,
is that news value will be weighted by popularity. If you have ever
looked at Google Current, or what used to be Google Zeitgeist,
you know what the most popular stories are--and that they have
nothing to do with "real" news. Look right now at what the top
stories are on Google: Sports, Sarah Palin, David Letterman
and Clark Rockefeller. It's slightly better at Yahoo news, but
these stories represent what people are reading.

People can moan and complain all they want about the media, but
we get we want, and we get what we deserve.

The complaint that gets me the angriest is when I hear, "Oh,
they're just doing that to make money." Well, newspapers and
news gathering organizations are businesses and if they don't make
money they cease to exist. So the easiest way to succeed is to
give people what they want.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21604)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:36 AM

You missed one of my favorite movies, Sandy??

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:48 AM

I watched the movie Idiocracy, of course, from the guy who brought us Office Space? Eh, a big let down humor wise, but there was certainly some funny moments and interesting social commentary if nothing else. For those of you who don't know:

"The film tells the story of two ordinary people who are taken into a top-secret military hibernation experiment that goes awry, and awaken 500 years in the future. They discover that the world has degenerated into a dystopia where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism run rampant and dysgenic pressure has resulted in a uniformly stupid human society devoid of individual responsibility or consequences.

Despite its lack of a major theatrical release, the film has achieved a cult following" (Wikipedia)


It's funnier moments are hard to find on Youtube, but this clip gives you a basic idea of what you'd be in store for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOg5WZrGTAg&feature=related

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:59 AM

Basically, society has been "dumbed down" a bit. They think Charlie Chaplin was Hitler because they saw it in a movie. Anybody notice how "time machine" was spelled at the begining? You get the drift.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:01 AM

duh, ya we gotit.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:12 AM

LOL, as someone who hasn't seen the clip without the context, wasn't sure what the experience of watching it without context would be like. Thanks Sandy, now I know.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:47 AM

Foogs: I think alot of what passes as "news" these days is really more concerned with "gossiping" about people, way too much gossip, and perhaps that has something to do with the updating of technology as you pointed out and how it's delivered, not sure. (My opinion, no debate here, it's just an opinion) It kind of annoys me. Thanks for sharing that, I'm going to re-watch when I can.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:56 PM

I thought it was funny and very sad. It is sad that we read blogs instead of in depth journalism that a great newspaper like the NY Times delivers. I love newspapers and I used to read the Chicago Sun Times everyday. I don't care if it is just to keep things honest we need newspapers. They are still the best truest form of information we have.


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