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bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:25 AM

A WIN FOR SARAH PALIN SO CAN SHE NOW GET SERIOUS?

It was wrong of David Letterman to talk about the daughter of Sarah Palin. He did apologize. He also made it very clear that he was not talking about rape which is what clueless Sarah Palin accused Letterman of doing. Sarah always manages somehow to find a way to get in front of a camera with her children nearby. Now refuses Sarah Palin Letterman’s invite to his show. I believe she will go on his show later; after all it’s another camera. Statutory rape is a very serious as it leaves many emotional and physical scars to underage children. The bigger question here is can Sarah Palin capitalize on Women’s Rights as a platform for her presidential candidacy? No, she can't use Women’s Rights as the issue. Although more attention to the disparaging abuse of women should be highlighted; Sarah Palin can’t just gloss over the real issues facing America more than that to win the minds and hearts of the American public. It's time for Sarah to stop smiling and get serious.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:30 AM

I think she's serious as a heart attack about positioning herself early as the champion of women.

Brilliant strategy, really. Too bad the kids are involved again.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:52 AM

So do I Smoke; and too be for the people of America if she should win.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:02 AM

Any apology one has to explain is not a sincere apology. Personally believe it is detrimental to go on engaging with this dirty old man. Serious politicians do not campaign by arguing with "comedians" -that-move on . She has made her point. Don't know if she has a chance nor if I could/ would support her. Would hate to see another election be determined by a vote against rather than a vote for..

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 192.9 - Posts: 1025)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:09 AM

"hate to see another election"

Can't agree with that more completely.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:36 AM

C'mon, Linda, Dave is no "dirty old man", he's a good guy who made a bad joke.

He's Sarah's Murphy Brown.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:34 AM

I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin but the children of politicians, particularly the young children, should be off limits period. It's politics on her part to use it as a platform for further conversation in a broad manner. She doesn't appear to be including her daughter in the dialogues she's having with media currently. She's swiping at the general underlying feeling that jokes such as Letterman's continue to undermine women and no one ever says "stop". I've got no beef with this at all. Letterman was out of line and his apology was less than sincere.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:35 AM

Rj - be careful what you wish for.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:57 AM

He says he was talking about the older daughter and I believe him. He's a comedian, and sometimes the jokes are tasteless (which he admitted), but he doesn't tell jokes about children having sex and I don't believe that was what he meant.

The older daughter is fair game. She's out there as a spokesperson on the "Abstinence Tour" with baby in arms, and she's over 18.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 10:58 AM

Also, it was cynical and inflammatory to inject the word "rape" into the issue.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:04 AM

Again- an apology that has to be explained is NOT a sincere apology.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:10 AM

I don't agree, Linda. Often apologies are attempts to explain misunderstandings, and the regret for the misunderstanding may be perfectly sincere.

He apologized for giving the wrong impression, and I think she should give her daughters a break and move on.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:19 AM

I said thought it was not a wise political move for her to argue with a "dirty old man" if she wants to be considered a serious politician. The first step in an apology is saying "I am sorry-no excuse-I was wrong." If at a later time someone is open to listening to your explanation as to why you said/did something- FINE

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.4 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:20 AM


But then she wouldn't be able to play the victim, Smoke,
and get lots of attention.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:24 AM

Just baffles me why everything is about potential candidates or past leaders and not about what is currently happening- not pretty, I know.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:25 AM

True, Foogs, but it's also a possibility that Letterman is not averse to a bit of controversy to help the ratings (which it has) against the debut of the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien. Advantages here for everyone but the younger kids, and they just get to be pawns to further the grownups' agenda.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:31 AM

For now, I'll let that underhanded way of making a point slide....

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:33 AM

I'm sorry, Linda, I don't get your point; where was I underhanded?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:38 AM

I don't understand your point Linda, almost every apology I give adds, or should I say requires an explanation of some kind. "I'm sorry, I did not mean to step on your toe just now". In the previous example I had to explain what my intentions were. I might have even added, "I was lost in thought and not paying attention", further explanations for my behavior and a spelling out of my intentions. It seems common place to approach it that way. Am I looking at this wrong or not understanding what you are trying to say here? I will say, I have no idea what recent event this thread refers to, and am not really getting involved in it right now.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:40 AM

I think had they done their homework and discovered it was her 14 year old daughter - with her for a charity event, not a political event - he wouldn't have made the "knocked up" joke.

And after all, he's one to talk.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:42 AM

I think you're right, Jank.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:54 AM

Yes, Jeremy, but a sincere apology begins with "I am sorry. I was wrong." explanations can and usually do follow but that basic must be present. Letterman's opening remarks are scripted not like his live parts of the show. He and the writers if they had cared to could have researched which daughter she had simply brought to a ball game.- how is that using her as a pawn? Not at all sure they did not. I am not a Palin defender as she is most likely a person I would not have had much in common with for most of my life-but bashing her has become the focus toi make people not look at what is happening. Letterman when he talks with people live often does well. My type of late-night comedian was Carson who rarely touched the political stuff. Believe he said that his opinion didn't matter much and not what people wnted to hear. But then I'm old.....

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 11:55 AM

Ah, thanks for the response. I'll exit now that I understand that!

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5315)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:02 PM

I heard Letterman's original remark and I heard his unapologetic "apology." He absolutely owes a sincere apology to Sarah Palin's daughter and to all women.

Best would have been if the writers that day had not been sitting on their brains. Second best would be if he had made a truly sincere and credible apology immediately to Sarah Palin's daughter and to all women. His so-called joke was crude and degrading. It wasn't even funny.

Don't lose sight of the fact David Letterman started this. He's the one who is trying to gain from it. You can make the argument that Palin is trying to gain from it now. I don't know what's in her mind and heart, so I can't know that for sure and neither can you.

Just let Letterman make that kind of remark about my 14-year-old granddaughter and you would see another side of me. But of course he won't, because I'm not famous and so he would gain nothing by it.





sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:04 PM

I was under the impression that the remark was about her older daughter. Still tacky and tasteless...

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:10 PM

I read the following article, defending Palin (NOT Letterman), and I believe him. http://www.comcast.net/articles/tv/20090611/US.TV.Palin.Letterman/
She seems like an opportunist to me.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:23 PM

Sarah Palin has chosen to be a politician so that makes her fair game in today's world, I guess. Also makes it fair for folks to see her as an opportunist any wise politician is just that. Her daughter at age 14 haas not made any such dicision. Curious as o where the 'Flight Attrendant" folks are spaking out about him saying Palin looked like a '"Slutty Stewardess'. The groups that defend thing only defend PC it seems

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:32 PM

It's the kind of joke that a woman just wouldn't understand, or wouldn't understand fully imo, and because of that wouldn't see the humor in. I did think it was funny when I heard the youtube clip, but like many other people "assumed" he was talking about the older daughter. The idea that (unless he was going for ratings or something, in which case even he wouldn't have thought it was funny were THAT the case) David Letterman would actually be referring to a 14 year old is just too far fetched and "out there" to believe. He has an audience, and as a man I can say none of us would find humor in that, except for the relatively few who are in and out of prison for said offense. I know this is a "woman's" thread, but I find the joke fine AND funny.

Humor often makes fun of the inability or the difficulties involved in NOT living up to ideals. Without going on and on in my defense, I see this as a man's joke, and find it very funny indeed.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:38 PM

This was not a "woman's thread it was a "bash thread" to take the focus off of what is happening or not happening the only defense there seems to be..

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:39 PM

I think you'll be interested in reading this,
"The Many Feuds of David Letterman."

http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-the-many-feuds-of-david-letterman/

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:42 PM

Except for me, I don't see alot of male participants Linda! The ones that did chime in, didn't have much to say (so far). Which is all I meant....

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:47 PM

I saw the monologue and winced when he said it. I'm not defending him for telling a crude and unnecessarily suggestive joke; I'm saying it's wrong to demonize him for something he didn't say ("rape") and blow it all out of proportion for the sake of headlines. If the Palins want to make a crusade out of one late-night comedian's misguided attempt at humor, let 'em try and good luck to them, but it's misleading and dishonest to try and paint it as though he was joking about the rape of her child.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 12:55 PM

Think the pats on the secretary's a-- are no longer in good taste either., but "good luck' to anyone who wants to make a "big deal' over it ...

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:00 PM

Sarah Palin not withstanding, David Letterman likes to manufacture feuds. It creates buzz and drives up ratings. His end game is to get the feudee to appear on his show, where they usually kiss and make up.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:03 PM

Just to be clear, I on the other hand am defending the joke. I do not see the joke as "misguided" or as "unnecessarily suggestive". I thought it was a good joke. Thanks Dave!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:03 PM

Since the daughter at the game was 14, wouldn't a 33 year old man knocking her up be legally called rape? Isn't that how "rape" entered the dialogue? The fact letterman didn't even bother to find out it was the younger daughter with her doesn't change the facts.

At what age would her daughter have to be for everyone to find the joke offensive? 12? 10?

What if Piper (age 7) had been the only daughter with her? Letterman still would have used the joke because he didn't even care to find out it wasn't the 18 year old with her, so it easily could have been the youngest daughter.

He screwed up. He should have given a quick honest apology and admitted he didn't realize the underage daughter was with her, and moved on. Story over.

But for the life of me, I don't understand why people won't just leave the governor alone, anyway. She LOST. If she decides to run in 2012, THEN go after her with both barrels. But it's like beating a dead horse. If everyone thinks she's so stupid, why not just ignore her - maybe then she'll go away. It's Letterman's fault for putting her in the spotlight this way, not the governor's.

Aren't there enough people active in politics today, making enough mistakes that affect us all, to mock out there?


smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:03 PM

Pepper: the ratings suggestion is certainly plausible.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:15 PM

She was in the spotlight because she was at a ballgame in New York instead of at home governing Alaska.

If you think she's not campaigning, I have a bridge I bought from Linda, let you have it cheap.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:20 PM

Sarah has put herself in the public eye and don't believe it is to her advantage to argue with this man. She has made her point and if she wants to be taken seriously as a presidential political candidate she needs to move past this. Others should be taking up the case of the offense to women and flight attendants but not going to hold my breath for that to happen. The name of the current game is to put the focus on her, Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity, or anyone else to take the focus off of Obama and what he is doing or not doing-old saying "best defense a good offense' guess McCain no longer worthy of a good rousing bash -Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:24 PM

How many places has Obama been since he took office??? Perhaps he should be in DC doing his job instead of on the road like a snake oil salesman-watch his hands not his lips

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:28 PM

Sorry, my whiplash is acting up again. Thought we were talking about Palin?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:36 PM

No, we were not talking about Palin many were bashing Palin. She has put herself in the public eye, so she is fair game-her daughter is not. It was your comment about Alaska being the place where she was "supposed" to be governing and all that made me think about Obama.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:45 PM

Oh. Fair enough. I'll have to try harder to find a way to say something that won't lead back to an attack on the president.

Not sure it can be done, but I'll try.

I was discussing the media flap about the Letterman joke, and whether far too much isn't being made of it for questionable purposes. I don't plan to discuss Obama with you, as I already know in enormous detail exactly how you feel about him.

Palin is using Letterman to grab headlines and sell herself to women as a born-again feminist. Letterman is milking her overdone outrage for ratings. The kids are caught in the middle through no fault of their own and someone ought to be grown up enough to say "enough"; preferably the ones who should be the most concerned about the kids.

That's my take.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:53 PM

Good idea that we don't talk personally, Smoke. I certainly would not want to push you to tell me exactly how me or my kids are better ff today that they were before last January You stick with bashing Palin for making a 'Big Deal'"over a very tacky joke- whoever and whatever her aspirations might be as you are very good at it both overtly and otherwise

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:57 PM

So somehow, Letterman makes a crude joke about Palin's 14 year old daughter, and somehow it's Palin's fault, and you can find equivalency to blame them both, rather than JUST blame the person who did something wrong. That's the part I don't get. Blame the victim's mom. I don't think it was the political office of Palin who complained. I think it was the Mom Palin. As any of us would do. I think it's wrong to blame Palin for any of this.

There's plenty she does that deserves blame when the time comes. But she's just fair game to anybody for any reason. It's just wrong.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 1:59 PM

I don't think I'm "bashing" anyone, I merely said what I thought about this subject as "overtly" as I could.



smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:01 PM

Jank, you're not paying attention. The joke was about the grownup unwed-mother daughter who was "knocked up" once before.



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:03 PM

Once again, the joke was about daughter that was 18 yrs old, not the 14 yr old. It does make a difference.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:06 PM

Breathless haven't heard that term since the 50s then it usually came from boys or men without an ego

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:11 PM

The joke was not about the 18 year old. It was about the daughter who was at the ballgame. And that turned out to be the 14 year old - and there's no excuse for that. Did he SAY the 18 year old's name? No. He didn't even know who was there with her. (Or his writers didn't). I don't understand all the excuse making for Letterman.

Obviously you guys refuse to be confused by the facts.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:18 PM

Does it matter at all that he didn't MEAN the 14-year-old?

Of course not.

Never mind.

Sigh.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:23 PM

First of all how can you take Palin seriously as a "born again" when her unwed 18 year old get knocked up. Then her daughter takes her baby on a lecture tour. Is that too ridiculous for words or what, if she gets anywhere near the White House, it will set women's rights back many years. She is a caricature of a female candidate and I personally think if she can't handle jokes by late nite talk show hosts she should stay home. She is a joke so it is okay to make jokes at her expense. If she chooses to be in the political arena this will happen. No Obama's family is not off limits, if he had a daughter that was unwed at that age with a baby, it would make even bigger headlines. Now I know I am bashing Palin and I take full responsiblity, oh and I am not a man and I thought the joke was funny. Its HUMOR people.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:30 PM

Trust not one person would make a joke about one of the Obama girls whatever age or circumstances they were in, without being skewered to death and they should NOT.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:31 PM

You know, Donna, a few days ago YOU thought I meant something about YOUR daughter - who definitely isn't underage.

Did it matter that wasn't what I meant?

You're daggum right it did. You were very offended, and very rightly so if I had actually been commenting on your daughter - and not one person made an equivalency.

I immediately set the record straight to assure you my comment didn't mean anything about your daughter or what she suffered through.

I meant it with all my heart. I didn't make excuses.

If I had apologized for leaving the impression I was commenting regarding your daughter, in a half-a**ed way, and then went on to make derogatory remarks, I don't think you would have forgiven me. And I don't think anyone else here would have, either.

I think I would have been thrown out on my can. And rightly so.

And not one person would have cared about my "ratings" or thought it anything but mean and cruel, which it would have been without discussion.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:45 PM

Jank, that was a misunderstanding, and I forgave you immediately when I understood that. I'd forgotten it until you brought it up, and Palin should do the same, in my opinion; if I was any one of her kids I'd be begging her to just shut the hell UP about it already.

In any case, my daughter was well over 18 and there was no question of it being otherwise or mistaking it for applying to some other daughter. I don't see a valid comparison here.

And I DON'T think it was "Sarah the mom" responding. I don't think for a minute she watches Letterman. I think some minion saw it and thought "we can make something BIG out of this" and she was willing to do that.

Nor did I imagine "equivalency" of blame, I just think there's enough to go around.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 2:55 PM

Ok. I certainly can't prove otherwise.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 4:01 PM

Letterman was way out of bounds.

Apparently you can get away with that at CBS.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 8:25 PM

LINDA
_____________________------------------------------------------------___________________________

How many places has Obama been since he took office??? Perhaps he should be in DC doing his job instead of on the road like a snake oil salesman-watch his hands not his lips


Ans. Besides Paris and a Broadway play, I cant' think of anything other. Don't forget it's his job as President to go places. Sarah is not good at selling Alaskan oil; unless its Canada. At least President Obama is trying to do his job. Sarah isn't the people of Alaska said so.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:10 PM

For a guy who said that he had all the answers, he doesn't appear to be TRYING very hard. Palin is not the issue. BO smells.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 13th Jun '09 9:36 PM

Gosh, that's witty. Think of it yourself?

Palin is the issue of this thread, Ace.



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 12:07 AM

No, Donna, the issue in this thread is Letterman's crude remarks.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 12:23 AM

Oh, then pardon me, I must've misunderstood this:

A WIN FOR SARAH PALIN SO CAN SHE NOW GET SERIOUS?

It was wrong of David Letterman to talk about the daughter of Sarah Palin. He did apologize. He also made it very clear that he was not talking about rape which is what clueless Sarah Palin accused Letterman of doing. Sarah always manages somehow to find a way to get in front of a camera with her children nearby. Now refuses Sarah Palin Letterman’s invite to his show. I believe she will go on his show later; after all it’s another camera. Statutory rape is a very serious as it leaves many emotional and physical scars to underage children. The bigger question here is can Sarah Palin capitalize on Women’s Rights as a platform for her presidential candidacy? No, she can't use Women’s Rights as the issue. Although more attention to the disparaging abuse of women should be highlighted; Sarah Palin can’t just gloss over the real issues facing America more than that to win the minds and hearts of the American public. It's time for Sarah to stop smiling and get serious.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 12:28 AM

Oh, I'm sorry.

It must be about absolving Letterman of any misjudgment in his crude remarks which just happened to extend to the 14-year old daughter of a politician.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 1:04 AM

Read the thread much?

Been there. Said that.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 7:24 AM

Both the phrase "knocked up" and "slutty flight attendant' were crude at best when said about anyone on TV other perhaps one of Jerry Springer's "GUESTS" -seems that is the category Letterman is in- SHOULD have but "DIDN'T bring all of the appropriate groups defending against those things. They were certainly there when O'Reilly in a joking manner said someone should pour water on the good old gal, Helen Thomas as her voice or something brought to his mind a witch from "The Wizard of Oz" dunno sure seems like a double standard

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 8:44 AM

You are correct, Linda.

It is a double standard - reason why Palin-haters want to change the subject.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:17 AM

Plus the simple fact is that the premise of the thread is inaccurate. Either:

1. Libs don't want Palin to get serious. They want her to disappear, except for their own constant mocking pot shots at her.

2. They only support women who support the liberal party line. Short of Palin changing to a liberal, there is nothing she can do or say that liberals will think is serious, so in "getting serious" they want her to support the liberal agenda.

So the whole thing is just one more potshot at her. I don't know why mocking her is such sport to liberals.

But mostly liberals mock every conservative because they hate our beliefs. They can't change us so they mock us and call us morons - and by calling our candidates morons, they know they are actually calling conservative voters morons.

The dems keep telling conservatives how to win.

What a crock!

Dems don't want us to win, so of course they give conservatives advice on how to win - BECOME A LIBERAL.

Or more like liberals.

John McCain was just about as far left as a Republican can be - he was the "maverick" and the "moderate." And yet, somehow, he didn't win. (Mostly because conservatives stayed home in droves because they refused to vote for him because he wasn't conservative enough.)

No - that's why we have a 2-party system (or more). We SHOULD be totally different. Then the voters can decide which platform they support.

If Republicans want to win, they must move FURTHER AWAY

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:21 AM

.....from the liberal platform.

Make the choice very clear - and very different. Don't muddy the candidacy waters with some of this, some of that just to try to be popular.

I'd rather the conservatives have a candidate that stands for our beliefs. If that person loses, fine - the majority of people have spoken.

But we're not interested in liberal running against liberal light.

The people deserve a choice and to vote their hearts and minds. Conservatives deserve OUR choice of candidate - not liberals' choice for us.

Be sure of this. Liberals don't give advice to help conservatives beat them.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:26 AM

That raises the question: Can I go to Church and be a Christian this morning if one of my children has sinned? I am searching the Bible but can't find it.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:35 AM

You can even NOT go to church this morning and have sinned yourself at times and still be a Christian! In fact, I don't think any Christians exist that have ever not sinned. I think it says something like that in that Book! (I'd say where, but Bobo hates it when I quote Scripture.)

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:37 AM

Good! Because I was already dressed.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:44 AM

Well, we might oughta talk about that. Do Florida churches allow you to wear speedos to services?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:51 AM

Felix!!!!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 10:07 AM

LOL! I do have to wear what I call Pineapple Shirts. They look like something a tourist would wear. Palm trees and Surfboards, too. Our Church is very cool. An awesome Music Ministry Program. Many wear sandals here and no one tucks there shirts in. I am adjusting but still have to receive wardrobe approval before walking to the mailbox. Except for a lot of folks that look like prunes I love it here.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:20 AM

I'm not the one changing the subject. I didn't repost Bigmama's OP because they are my own thoughts, but as a gentle reminder that the thread was "about" the person mentioned about a dozen times in that paragraph, skew how you may.

1. I KNOW she's serious, and I said so, and I'm glad she is, I don't want her to disappear, I want her all over the place talking away, and I PRAY she is the candidate.

2. That's just silly, and about as true as the other conclusions you've spring-vaulted to on extremely little evidence. She gets tremendous slack because she's a woman. A man in that empty suit (never mind trotting out her secretly pregnant teenage daughter and then the boyfriend on the campaign trail) would've been ripped to shreds and laughed off the national stage months and months ago, like Huckabee.

She's gotten tremendous breaks because she is a woman, she wouldn't be where she is right now if she wasn't female, it was the only reason she was chosen, against McCain's better instincts. And I'll go out on a limb here and say that if she looked like Helen Thomas, or Madelyn Albright, Or Ruth Bader Ginsberg, none of us would ever have heard of her.

By "getting serious" (not my phrase) I would mean I'd like to see her apply herself to the job she has now, study geography and history in her spare time, perhaps run for the Senate and get some real governing experience, and develop some political opinions and ideas that are not handed to her by a staffer or cribbed from Newt Gingrich, cynically posed and shallow as a mud puddle. Then maybe I could take her seriously.

I don't "hate" your beliefs, Jank, I simply disagree with them; what I would hate would be living in a world governed by them. I haven't called anyone a moron. I'm not interested in telling you how to win - I don't want you to, I think it would be disastrous for the nation. Yes, it would be swell if some of you WAY over there on the right would drift back toward the center just a smidge, but I'm not one to want to fill the world with others exactly like me. I like a spectrum that's brighter in the middle.

"And yet, somehow, [McCain] didn't win. (Mostly because conservatives stayed home in droves because they refused to vote for him because he wasn't conservative enough.)" See? I don't have to tell you how to win, you already know. But there's a bit more to why McCain lost than extremists staying home, and part of it, maybe most of it, was Palin. Of course I don't give you advice to help you win - why would I do that? But I do try to reason, just in case you guys get your act together and win one, I'd like to be represented the same as conservatives, not run roughshod over like the last time your bunch had power.

Want to know how conservatives could gain enormous respect for their ideas and once again dominate politics? Take the religion out of it, like Eisenhower and Nixon and Reagan did.

The people HAD a clear choice, they voted, and you lost, handily. Deal.

Now, Sunday is a holy day for me too, and the sacred green flag will soon be waved, so in the name of NASCAR I bid you a heartfelt boogity boogity boogity. Amen.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:27 AM

LOL

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:36 AM

"Good Luck" with the 'Tread Police' chat moderator thing been there- done that. Distinctly remember you pulling some words of mine out of a post and turning the thread topic to that, but my memory must be faulty

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:42 AM

Donna - you said "...what I would hate would be living in a world governed by them."

And yet, for almost 200 years, we WERE governed by them. And I think it was a pretty good world. Schools were better, students learned more with higher grades. Crime was nowhere near as high (percentage of population-wise). I'd go back to pre-1960s liberalism any day. Even John Kennedy was against abortion and for lowered taxes, and he protected our country and never injected socialism into the United States.

All that aside, in my long statement, never once did I mention you. My comments were mostly to the person who started the thread, also interjecting comments she has made in other threads she started.

My Palin statements of earlier were in debate with you specifically, and I conceded I can't prove what Palin's reasons are. You choose to make up your mind why she does what she does, and you are unmoveable, even by the fact that you don't really know (which you totally refuse to concede - your words are based on your total belief that you can read her mind and know better than anyone else) - you just think she's a joke, and you treat her as such with your words.

I've never known you to concede even the slightest point - even if your point is based 100% on your impressions, rather than any proveable fact. You choose to mock that with which you disagree, which is your right.

And I don't think I've ever cursed at you, which you have done twice to me specifically by name.

But in my long discussion above, the shoe doesn't fit you, so no need to be defensive or explanatory.



smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 12:24 PM

Well, that's a most interesting and sweeping view of American history, Jank, and had I time I'd take exception on a couple of points; quite a few Americans were left out of the "good old days" and I'm not sure we can judge this century by the political mores of the last, but never mind that now.

I'm aware that you didn't mention me. I responded to your comments as one of the liberals you don't think much of, but I'm neither defensive nor explanatory, merely continuing the conversation of which I have been a part. Hope that's okay.

I didn't "choose to make up my mind" and I don't think I "can read her mind and know better than anyone else," I'm expressing opinions based on observation, no more. I don't think she's a joke, I think she's dangerous and bad for the country, but I suppose to you expressing any negative opinion of her is "mocking" as with Linda it's "bashing". Whatever.

I apologize for "cursing" at you. I thought I already had.






bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 5:24 PM

I totally agree with Smoke and I will amend my earlier post saying she is a joke. She is worse than that it would be truly scary to have her run for national office again. She has made it apparent she lacks the intelligence and tolerance to be a candidate of either party. Also I would like to respond to posts made about being a sinner or having children who sin. You can still be a christian and sin and have a daughter who sinned. However this lady is a conservative right to lifer who has campaigned for the highest office in the nation. This should require her to have her own house in order before she tells others what to believe in. Another words how can she have a daughter on the lecture circuit for "abstinence" of sex until marriage, what a sham. I think she needs to stay in Alaska, where from the polls she isn't doing that great of a job. Jan I have told you I admire your faith and convictions I just don't think scriptures belong on a trivia chat forum. Palin and other republicans as smoke pointed out would do much better if they left religion out of politics. The pendulum could well swing back to them if they attack fiscally rather than through religion and morals. You can separate the two if you have the intelligence and foresight.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 5:30 PM

Bobo, she isn't stupid.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 6:43 PM

That my dear friend Andy, is a matter of opinion. She may not be stupid but she is not qualified to run for the highest office in the US. Let me be more specific, I don't support any of her positions for candidacy. Is that something you want to argue with me about Andy? That is it, I just don't like what she stands for. Period.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 6:48 PM

That's a little different, Bobo.

She wasn't qualified last year. Next time she may be.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 7:05 PM

LOL, Bobo, what a SURPRISE your last post was

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 7:16 PM

Ha Ha yeah Linda I guess it was pretty apparent My Bad! I just didn't want Andy to argue with me about what my opinion is. My whole political philosophy doesn't coincide with Ms Palin's how is that for diplomacy. I have no argument with anyone who thinks alike with her. Everyone has a right to their opinion, mine is just better thats all! No I don't see how she will have gained more qualifications in four years Andy, unless it is in an alternate Universe.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 3:40 AM

Bobo, she was thrust into a national election with little experience in national issues. She went thru a cram course, but it was far from enough. She clearly wasn't ready.

I don't happen to agree with her on a number of issues, probably not as many as you. So she isn't my candidate by a long shot.

She isn't stupid (even though the Liberal Attack Machine would like you to think so), and with time she can surely get up to speed on national issues. How smart she is remains to be seen, but she is a rather effective governor. Not to be underestimated.




smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 3:43 AM

Take out "surely" and I can go along with all of that.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 3:51 AM

No, Donna, she'll never have your views, but I saw several Democrats acknowledge her intelligence last fall.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 4:02 AM

Are you sure you're not a republican Coll? You always have positive or neutral things to say about the repubs, everytime I hear you talk pretty much, but plenty of slams for the dems. Am I missing something here, like some significant posts or something?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 4:13 AM

Coll would be a republican except for his social views. They'd toss him in a minute!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 4:21 AM

Hmmm, I wonder what those would be....thanks Sandy.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 5:09 AM

Jeremy, you haven't been reading too carefully. I have said precious little positive about the Republicans here. They don't have a clue these days. I've posted that numerous times here.

They gained power in 1994 (Congress) and it only took them a few years to achieve a level of corruption that previous Democratic Congresses took decades to achieve.

They used to stand for some level of fiscal prudence. Hey, forget that. Katrina showed everyone what I've known for a long time. Unlike the Democrats they're rather ham-handed in domestic affairs.

It's only in the foreign arena that they seem to be together and where you will find me in agreement. And where the other side exposes their huge Achilles heel in continuing to argue and practice Carterism.

Just because I find the current admin misguided (and way too ideological) doesn't mean that I think the opposition has any idea of the best route. They don't.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 5:21 AM

I've been reading "selectively" rather than not "too carefully". I've also been gone until recently for months. Big difference, I don't read everything you post. As luck and chance would have it, sorry if it disturbs you, but from what I've read, you're all republican. I don't know that it will increase, but maybe I'll get a better selection as time passes and my intake of your material increases. Thanx for clearing that up, appreciate it.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:03 AM

I would have chosen to let this thread disappear as I do not believe it had one thing to do with Palin's politics although believe there is no doubt she is a politician more likely than not with high aspiration. I too am not a Palin supporter, but do believe the things said about Palin and her daughter , any daughter, by a man who calls himself a comedian had they been said about Hilary or her only one daughter would have brought the defensive groups that stand up for those people out of the woodwork Don't believe anyone would even DARE make a joke about the Obama girls. As for changing topics of a thread, Smoke brought in the fact Palin had gotten "breaks" because she was a woman.-guess Smoke can do that. Now I need to point out that Sotamayor calls HERSELF an "affirmative action baby" -grades were not nearly as high as her classmates. Seems she has received "breaks' bot only because shee was a woman but a minority woman. If , Jeremy, you want to discuss Andy's political beliefs- good luck with that- pms might work or a whole new thread as that certainly has nothing to do with Palin, her, daughter, Letterman or her most likely desire to run for the presidency just a thought..

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:34 AM

Jeremy, what I wrote on health care was very even-handed. I want to see reform. We don't have the money to do it all today. Let's make a start with a more modest beginning. I expect most of the Democrat centrists in the Congress would support that.

But, hey, the administration is pulling your leg when it floats this flimsy cost savings argument as a reason to all now.


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