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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 8:15 AM

MAHER BLASTS OBAMA ( WARNING MANY OF YOU WON'T LIKE THIS ONE)

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/bill_maher_justifiably_attacks_barack_hussein_obama_on/ This gave me a ray of hope coming from this know left guy. Perhaps the press might actually too start doing their job

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 8:47 AM

Maher takes too much latitude with the truth to be taken seriously anymore. He should be Keith Olbermann's co-anchor.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 8:51 AM

Yes, he does. he does not claim to report news though just comment on it. To me it is a ray of hope that such a leftist guy would say ANYTHING negative at all about Obama.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:21 AM

If Bowser or Maher as you call him said anything positive about anyone he have no audience. He is right that it is so obvious that BO has been all hot air that even people that voted for him can see it.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:46 AM

You are absolutely correct, Felix. Maher has to be negative have an audience. Although he took shots at Bush his main shots were aimed at where they should be. Bush is gone. It is refreshing to see the focus start to turn although much of what he put out there I think is pretty much BS. Was also refreshing that he could be thought "funny" by many without resorting to teenage gutter language

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 2:48 PM

All over the world, people are saying "Thank God Bush has gone".

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 3:00 PM

LOL knew you would like the Bush bash part, Barnie.. What heartened me was his calling out of Obama for not doing much but photo ops-love the prompter thing at the end of the bed.- guess folks other than myself find his use more than an annoyance. Like I said much of his facts are not facts but at least he is looking at Obama with a critical eye and seems to realize he not Bush needs to be the focus

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 3:04 PM

They certainly are, Bill, but what matters is the results for Americans.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 8:47 PM

Check Maher out on Olbermann tonight - and surprise! I agree with everything he says.

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 1:50 AM

Anybody that agrees with ANYTHING Maher says, must be really deluded people, yet you allow them to vote, so you got Bush as president. Nuff said.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:05 AM

Sorry you think me deluded. You're not alone.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:29 AM

Bill Maher is a comedian in my estimate voicing his inability to be patient at the current administration.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:36 AM

I find it strange that talk show hosts and news presenters seem to have so much political "clout" in the US. That just does not happen in Britain, and i think we are lucky that it doesn't. Paxman is great at his job, in my opinion, but i don't want him telling me who to vote for. I don't even allow Jonathon "Woss" to tell me which films to watch, let alone who to vote for.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:47 AM

Thank you mister Cloggs. I can't stand these people. Who are they to tell me what to think all day? Provide me with some facts, that to me would be providing a service. I don't need your political rhetoric and the spin they put on everything shoved down my throat. Man I was waiting for somebody to say that. Who dubbed these guys intellectual leaders of the free world anyways?? I don't get it.

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.6 - Posts: 7570)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:50 AM

I concur with the recent posts of Smoke and Bigmama60 regarding Bill Maher's impatience.

Obama will need to determine when "bi-partisanship is futile" to paraphrase the Borg.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 4:46 AM

Smoke, you couldn't PAY me to watch Olbermann so guess I will just settle for the idea that I probably would not have agreed with everything Maher said there. Not fond of Maher either just liked the fact that he pointed out the OBVIOUS about Obama and coming from the Left it was refreshing. I am still sticking with Carson who seldom if ever touched the political stuff as didn't seem to think his view important to the folks. He was funny and entertaining without that

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 5:15 AM

Alvandy
Thank you so much. I also am happy we have a President who takes the time to explain when he is on camera what the implications are from both angles. It's nice to have a professor in the White house. At least our President takes the time to educate us instead of pulling the wool over our eyes.

Oh, yes I almost forget to make this perfectly clear. He doesn't mis- pronounce the Queen's English.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 5:46 AM

Amit he smiles and READS well!!

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 7:34 AM

Why Linda, I've misunderestimated you. I thought sure you'd be all over anything negative about Obama.

What Maher said essentially is that Obama should be doing more with the clout he has now, because he may never be this strong and the Republicans so weak again. Says he should ram what he wants through the way Bush did the Iraq war, do it all, do it right, and do it now, or risk losing the support of his base for not doing what we elected him to do.

That was the gist.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 7:50 AM

Even hearing someone saying the truth about Obama is not worth watching Olbermann. Incidentally , I really hope he does N0T have enough clout to get his vision of health care passed. Heard him say yesterday that cutbacks should be made to Medicare Advantage and that is my current insurance . Also certainly wishing he had not had the clout to get that wasteful stimulus thing passed which no one read and isn't working. You see I would not have enjoyed hearing Maher's view that Obama should use his CLOUT

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 1:55 PM

That's a very slippery slope, Donna. One plays right into the adversaries' hands.

In other words you are saying that your unilateralism is OK, but somebody else's is not.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:02 PM

Andy, I'm sure I'd be offended if I had any idea what you're talking about.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:19 PM

Donna, if Obama did what Maher suggests, he will pass whatever he wants with his large majorities and ignore the objections of the opposition. However, he runs a great risk if the programs do not succeed. In fact that's exactly what he has with the over-hyped stimulus bill.

Another term for such activity is unilateralism, exactly what was criticized during the Bush years.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 2:19 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/abc-news-teams-obama-white-house-present-presidents-health-care-plan/ this does not belong in this thread but not worth starting a new one. If this is not the President controlling most of the media don't know what is -breathless.. I'll skip this one. Heard much too much with no specifics how to pay for it without pulling fictional numbers out of thin air yesterday

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 3:13 PM

Oh. Okay, then. Guilty as charged.

I hated that the spineless Democrats let Bush get away with that war because everyone was too scared to go against him when his approval rating was souring and people were scared.

C'mon, tit for tat, your side got a war, my side has a few things we want too. It's not unilateralism - it's our turn, and we can't waste it. If we have to endure the ongoing pouring of blood and money, our national substance and future, into a war of opportunity and choice inherited from the previous administration, then the right should be willing to suck up and foot the bill to make sure everyone has access to both preventive and emergency medical care as a civic right.

The war for universal access to decent affordable health care is a just war.

Sure I want him to get done what I voted for him to do (aside from safeguarding the Supreme Court from drifting any further right). I want him to fix health care; and if the numbers make it a walkover, well, isn't that the way it works, isn't that what the vote gave us?

If FDR had squeezed a little harder we'd have all grown up with a different system. I wanted Clinton to fix it and thought he quit too easy, he blinked, he caved; if he'd stood up to his own campaign promises things would look very different today. I was for Hillary because I was SURE she'd push it through. The failure and looting of the heath care system as the baby boomers age is a massive drag on the economy and is ruining real lives, it's not just statistics.

Fix health care, and legalize and tax pot, and we'll be halfway to fixing the economy. (I'm half joking)

Thing is, I've always accepted that the wheels turn slowly and fitfully in Washington, and there are a lot of them to grease, so I don't expect him to have everything humming along and the blue back in the sky in these few months. But as Maher says, it's time for the momentum to be shifting, we don't need to be so accommodating that little changes when we voted for change, and we don't need Bush Lite.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 3:15 PM

His approval rating was soaring.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 3:25 PM

No we don't need a little Bush. We need to forget what the Nay sayers are doing and carry on. Eventually, the President has to loose his cool as most other liberals are.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 16th Jun '09 3:32 PM

Pretty much on target except that I don't have a side. FYI that war began as bipartisan - until one side decided it was to its political advantage to change course.

If I have a side, it's in the middle where thoughtful moderates like Lieberman, Webb, the girls from Maine and other thoughtful Senators hang out and where constructive compromises are made.

I think Obama has a much better chance of succeeding if he will seek to form more consensuses


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