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Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 8:45 PM


Some people say they don't remember the 60's cause of the drugs. I remember most of the 60's I was very young. It was a great time of innocense and change. We really thought we could change the world. Hey, I loved the music and fashion. Mini skirts and blue jeans. Tie-dye T-shirts and army jackets, pea coats and converse gym shoes. Incense and peppermints and black lights and posters. Grateful Dead and Woodstock and everything about peace and love, sex and rock n roll. Please no politics or right wing arguing or I will start a sit in!

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 8:52 PM

No, but I love the beach boys for some reason.

Ladyvol  (Level: 202.9 - Posts: 5435)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:08 PM

I remember the 60's...

M48ortal  (Level: 248.2 - Posts: 3734)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:29 PM

My favorite American group was the Four Seasons. Went to see Jersey Boys last year and learned a lot more about them. Great musical, but the language is extreme.

Favorite British group was the Dave Clark 5. Can't find their songs on CD or downloads. @#$%@!

If you like music of that era, check out, "Bring the Boys Home" by Freida Payne. I played it fairly often when my son was in Iraq. Still fits, unlike the jeans I wore until my Jr year of college.

Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:37 PM

I remember some of the 60's ...late anyway..I was only 3 in 1960..

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 9:55 PM

I love the Dave Clark Five, and the Animals, really liked them. I just recently saw Monterrey Pop from 67. The one with the first appearance of Janis Joplin and Hendrix, really cool check it out. Leaston we are around the same age, and I remember the later 60's. Even if you were 3 in 60 I am sure you heard the music.

Bbear  (Level: 159.3 - Posts: 2301)
Sun, 14th Jun '09 11:19 PM

The 60's???? There was time between 1964 and 1980???

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 1:52 AM

How can you talk about the 60's and NOT talk about politics? That's what it was all about. Loved the music, though didn't really catch up with it until years later. I think it was a time of excessive self-indulgence for some who never grew out of it, and they're not very nice to be around today. I also think many parents did not know how to deal with this aggressive in-your-face generation and caved in, where there was really a need for structure and respect and immediate consequences for destructive behaviors. Then there were the drugs ... I hear people making jokes as if they were 'youthful indiscretions' ... I can only see the train wreck that destroyed lives and families and arrested mental and emotional development.

We can't discuss specific politics here, presume that goes for both sides of the spectrum.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 3:08 AM

The '60s was all about birthin' babies for me, I spent a third of it pregnant and half of it lactating. When the decade began I was 12, when it ended I was the mother of three. It went by in a blur even without drugs. I never even knew anyone who did drugs until 1972.

It's memorable to me because of the Kennedys and Dr King, who passed through my life and changed it, and then were gone.

Kaufman  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 5:50 AM

Small world. I spent a bit less than a 13th of the 60s involved in a pregnancy too.

Collioure  (Level: 102.4 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:28 AM

(No politics, Donna! )

But, yes, MLK and the Kennedys. Oh, how we miss them!

Surreyman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 2766)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:57 AM

Get down to the 40s & 50s and I can join in!

Collioure  (Level: 102.4 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:06 AM

Something happened in the 50s?

Oldcougar  (Level: 217.3 - Posts: 1935)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:30 AM

Peace, love & plastic flowers The plastic part was something a friend of mine used to say. I've still got the plastic daffodil he gave me, said it would last longer than a real one, as has our friendship. I wish more would adopt this philosophy which I don't mean in a strictly political way but more environmentally (hope you can understand my poor choice of words)

All we are saying is give peace a chance

Surreyman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 2766)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:44 AM

Oh Coullioure! .......

Much more fun all round - Korea, Suez and quite a few Empire dust-ups!
Castro, Billy Graham, Bill Haley & the whole rock 'n' roll thing, Teddy Boys, Beatniks, proper film epics & musicals, our own TV even, the Goon Show, 4-minute mile, Sputnik, the Comet, Churchill was still PM ...
I could go on for pages without even thinking!

And the 40s had even more 'fun' if you can call it that!

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 8:24 AM

This is to Madamec this was suppose to be a positive upbeat thread on 60's. Not a bash of a generation all grown up who grew up in 60's. I managed to go to college raise a family and still maintain all the beautiful feelings I got from that decade. Everyone did not grow up with excess and change was in order my generation produced some amazing people. Change is good lady and constant. If you think there were excesses what do you think of generation x. Please don't ruin this thread with your dour thoughts.As I said no right wing politics allowed.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 8:34 AM

...but left wing politics are ok, right? (oops - I mean, correct?)

Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 9:05 AM

Ah, the 60s...naptime, cookies and milk

I started 4th grade in 1969, and it was the first time girls were allowed to wear pants to school (but not jeans).

A lot of my favorite movie musicals came out of that era (listed in no particular order): Thoroughly Modern Millie, Bye, Bye Birdie, West Side Story, Music Man, Finian's Rainbow, Mary Poppins, How to Succeed in Business..., My Fair Lady, Oliver, Forum, Sound of Music, Sweet Charity, Gypsy, Bells are Rining, Paint Your Wagon, Hello Dolly!

What a great decade!

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 9:29 AM

I love those.

My life in the 60s was school, Star Trek, Lost in Space, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, The Invaders (a pattern?), and That Girl. If they'd had That Girl in space, I would have been even happier! ha

Sweet music by Jim Reeves (what a velvet voice!), Johnny Horton, Roger Miller, George Hamilton IV, a quite flat-chested Dolly Parton - whose voice I don't much like but who is one of the best song writers ever. Speaking of velvet, Bobby Vinton, Everly Brothers, Ricky Nelson.

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 12:20 PM

Bobo, first, you didn't specify it had to be uplifting ... I'm saying what I saw and see --- I didn't say it was an entire generation, nor is it about you. Some things were what they were, and if I can't express it here without being called dour, then so much for freedom of expression. And how did you get right wing politics out of that, I was left-leaning in those years? I loved the music. I didn't like the clothes. I loved JFK. I detested Angela Davis. I'm as offended by your personal shot at me as you claim to be about my reply which was not a shot at you. Finis.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 1:45 PM

The sixties- Hired in with the company I retired from in 1960- Divorced in 1961- U.S. Army '61 to''63- remarried '64- Kids born in '65 & '67- bought first house in '69----Yeah, I remember the sixties. How could I forget.

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 2:39 PM

It was meant to be a non-political post. Period. I stated that, and if I offended you I am sorry.

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 4:45 PM

Didn't you read what I said? It wasn't political. I had merely asked how you could talk about it without politics. And then I talked about behaviors. I asked whether both political points of view were not allowed. Your response called me dour and asked me not to ruin your thread and ended with "As I said no right wing politics allowed", you're the one who made it personally political with that insinuation, and I responded accordingly. I'm sorry I even replied to your snot-o-gram, it's taken more energy than it's worth.

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 5:07 PM

If you read the other posts on 80's and 70's they were lite hearted. That is what I intended this post to be. Not another excuse to snipe at people for what you may think of their politics. Once again your post was very critical of people in the 60's. That was not the intention of the post. You like the music that is great, lets leave it at that. I too love JFK, so we can agree on that. I really wish I had kept all my old comics from head shops and old black light posters.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 5:23 PM

I enjoyed your post madame, and to me you seemed careful not to go into anything too controversial. I can see Bobo's concern how it might take the thread in an unintended direction. I hope you two can work this out.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 5:45 PM

Me too. Pretty impossible to discuss the '60s without at least alluding to political themes. That thread would be called "Do You Remember the Music of the Sixties?" and even then you'd have to watch what music you talk about.

The youth movement WAS the '60s, and the roots of it are complex and fascinating. Madamec8 has teased out a strand of it by pointing to parents, the "Spock generation" you might say.

The rhetoric of those men I mentioned before, the Civil Rights movement, the boom in higher education, and the Vietnam War were other aspects with political implications it's hard to ignore. It was a time that ripped the country right down the middle and changed us all forever. How long does it have to be until we can talk about it as history without reopening wounds?

Peace, y'all.

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:36 PM

Once again and for all to read. I apologize for taking comments by Madamec personally. I know it was not intentional, she was coming from a different perspective. I can understand what she is saying so now all I am saying is give peace a chance. I love the decade of the 60's when it seemed all things were possible. The music is unsurpassed at the beginning we were still dowopping and at the end it was psychedelic.

Lodi  (Level: 96.1 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 6:45 PM

I was born in the mid 60's. I'm not sure I remember much but I can remember that we had a white Datsun station wagon, I had a little car that you would sit in and pedal. My mom won it from a local grocery store contest. I can remember how cool it was to go to the grocery store and ride the mechanical horse for a dime, even though we had our own horses at home.

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:20 PM

Donna and Jeremy, thanks for your replies, you phrased things better than I could.

First, the music. I think the protest songs were some of the best music out of that generation, and they have stood the test of time. Just start playing 'For What It's Worth' and see the reaction. Listen to Buffy St. Marie, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan (even when you can't understand a word he says ), PP&M, Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie ... it's great music, because it's great music. Returning Vietnam vets who maintain even today that it was a just war ... they love the music, because it's great music. I sat on a pillow in a gym at BYU in the 70's listening to Peter Yarrow for two hours; he had us at hello. When he saw the throng outside trying to listen, he invited them to come back and did another concert at no charge. And he invited all of us to talk with him afterward. The only negative was when I tried to stand up and realized I was numb from my butt to my toes

At the same time, I love the 'Ballad of the Green Berets' and 'I'm Proud to be an American', it stirs me. I fly my flag year around, I sing the Marine Corps hymn at the top of my lungs, 'This is My Country' makes me puddle over. I say 'thank you for your service' to veterans, young and old, I watched 'Taking Chance' at least a dozen times and wept each time. Can't I be all of those things without someone coming down on me? Sadly, there is still that divide you refer to, Donna. My brother and sister are at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum and I've learned not to get in the middle of their shouting matches ...

It has been 35 years since we pulled out of Vietnam ... and the fracture today is still as painful today as then. I do wish we could get past it and talk openly, our young people need to know about it beyond a few general statements. A friend once told me that if we only have discussions with people who agree with us ... it's like intellectual incest.

Collioure  (Level: 102.4 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:26 PM

Right on, Donna!

(or maybe "Left on!" for you

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:28 PM

The sixties, gotta do them justice, they were my youth. I was sort of on the cusp of things then, not really a part of my own generation because I married and had kids early and didn't know or care much about the world beyond the household and Hollywood.

I was raised to be Harriet Nelson, but I wanted to be Connie Stevens for a while first, please - ah, well. Music before the Beatles was all about the Buddy Deane Show (me, Barry Levinson and John Waters, right?), AM transistor-radio top 40, and please Lord, let Elvis come home from the army so my world can resume rotation. After the Beatles, everything was different. I never forgave my sister-in-law, a year younger, for moving her Elvis poster to the closet door to hang a big foldout of the Fab Four over her bed. Traitor.

Until 1968 I supported the war, because my husband, an Army vet who served on the Berlin Wall from its construction, said we had to fight the commies over there or we'd have to fight them over here. I still thought it was the husband's place to do the heavy thinking, and the wife's to keep the babies coming and keep them clean and well-behaved, and have meals ready on time. it was only when vets in my own family and neighborhood began to come home that my views opened up and I began seeing things differently and paying more attention. It was the guys who had been there who changed my mind about the war.

As for civil rights, I always knew how I felt about that. The most affectionate and dependable people in my '50s childhood were my black babysitters; my favorite playmates were their children and nephews and nieces, who I only wished went to school with me, and I knew damn right well those women deserved to sit anywhere they wanted on the bus, so I was ready to hear what Dr King had to say.

Minimum wage the first year I was married was $1.50, cigarettes and gas around a quarter. My husband brought home $53.80 every week. Rent was $22 a week and ground beef three pounds for a dollar.

"Our song" was Deep Purple, and we played the Righteous Brothers and the Supremes and Neil Sedaka, and later Tom Jones and Dean Martin and Simon and Garfunkle 45 RPM and 33 1/3 records on our pedestal fold-out stereo phonograph, bought on time for $5 per week to establish a credit reference, from a corner appliance store whose owner lived upstairs.

As much as anything, the '60s to me is memories of my children as babies and toddlers; the days they were born, their first words and steps and lost teeth, hilarious things they said, the funny way one of them ran toward the house after waiting too long to come pee. Those were the good old days.

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:29 PM

A personal thank you, Bobo, and I'm totally with you about peace, I detest war, I wish people could find a way to work out their differences without destroying one another. What's the song 'let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me'. If we want our world to be at peace, we need to look first in our own communities, our own families. There's the challenge.

On the other hand, there is this to consider, being pragmatic:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse." -- John Stuart Mill

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 7:53 PM

You are so right and I cry when I hear, I'm Proud to Be An American. I was against the war but I was too young actually to protest. My friends older brothers were going off to war. My ex-husband was in the Air Force during Viet Nam. He came back different (I didn't know him then] he came back against the war and all it stood for. He had friends who didn't come back. I understand we may have differences but if we can agree on one common theme. We are all Americans and proud of it. I love the anti-establishment of the 60's. I was always rebellious and still am to a certain extent. I too love Bob Dylan, I also love CSNY and Joni Mitchell. I own a copy of Woodstock and I still beleve in letting your freak flag fly. That is a CSNY tune I Almost Cut My Hair. Another good one is Four Dead in Ohio. A song about the Kent State shooting by National Guardsmen. I understand that there were excesses, no more so than the 70's and 80's when coke was everywhere. So the important thing is lets keep the peace even if only in our little sploofus world. Love Bobo

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 8:15 PM

You like CSN (and sometimes Y)? I didn't really 'discover' them until the late 90's, and then started really listening to their music. I wonder how many have heard 'I Almost Cut My Hair'? Hardly a dance beat, LOL. But I've gained an appreciation and respect for David Crosby (even when I first heard about his 'fathering' Melissa Etheridge's children and went 'ewwwww' ). I love the tight harmony of CSN in songs like 'Helplessly Hoping' and the ending of 'Our House'. I sing 'Teach Your Children' at Karaoke, Graham Nash's lead is stripped out but Stills and Crosby's harmony is still in the background, it's like they are backing me, LOL. Doesn't matter how old people are, they stop and listen and love the song. Of the 4, I think Graham Nash has aged the best ... I saw Neil Young on Letterman recently and was shocked.

I could never hook into the music of 'Ohio', though the line 'this summer I hear the drumming' comes to mind every May 4. I've put some effort into looking into that tragic event, and there are a lot of dirty hands, one a surprise to me. I should write about that somewhere.

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 8:29 PM

I agree Nash as aged best. He had such a melodic voice even in the Hollies. I love Buffalo Springfield, a friend had a couple of downloaded DVD's of old Buffalo Springfield, oh what great music, it had such great harmonies. Hey where are you doin your Karaoke act, I'd love to catch it!

Bigbird  (Level: 236.2 - Posts: 3300)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 8:54 PM

The 60's - Finished High School, Went through College - got married - started teaching - bought a house. That's a lot of changes for one decade. I hadn't been aware of the world around me before the 60s; what a jolt that world was to the system! I think the Kent State photo will always be the picture of the 60s for me. Everyone came of age.

Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Mon, 15th Jun '09 11:22 PM

I always heard if you can remember the 60's you weren't there.

Sargon  (Level: 111.2 - Posts: 1256)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 2:39 AM

When the 60s started I was in junior high. By the end I was married and finishing college. The draft was looming over me until I got a high number in the lottery. Remember 2S and 1A?

Still love the music especially the last half of the decade. CCR, Beatles, Stones, Motown, Beach Boys. Amazing how much the music changed in 10 years. It seemed so innocent in 1960. Cathy's Clown, I'm Sorry, Puppy Love. By the end of the decade it was In the Year 2525, Bad Moon Rising, and Lay, Lady, Lay.

It is easy to say that the 50s were wonderful times but it took the 60s to make the United States look at racism and sexual discrimination. Two problems that still haven't been solved.

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