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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 5:07 AM

CONFUSED? WARNING POLITICAL

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/obama-accuses-fired-inspector-general-americorps-confused-disoriented/ when I saw this guy on TV he appeared completely rational Did a bit of checking on the organization he was investigating started by Ted Kennedy and on the surface it sounds a bit like ACORN. Some of the ACORN folks have already confessed to fraudulent voter registration. Hope those who were questioning don't stop questioning Linda

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 5:11 AM

I think you're right, Linda.

It's political.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 5:58 AM

http://www.google.com/search?q=what+walpin+says+about+his+firing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___US322&client=firefox-a that is Walpin's story. As I said he sounded neither confused nor disoriented when telling it. It is up to Congress to do any "investigation' so the results are predetermined

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 9:26 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/abc-news-teams-obama-white-house-present-presidents-health-care-plan/ cannot see how this could possibly be deemed "NEWS" coverage of something so expensive and affects me personally as well as everyone else. It outrages me. ABC is choosing the people asking the questions and there does not look like there will be any opposition questioners. Just another note: some kind of Amendment was tacked on to a bill to remove funding for ACORN and give money for an investigation of Nancy's CIA lying claims. The Dems pulled a fast one and said everything was done for the day and then voted it down before any opposition could get back CORRUPTION and then some seem to doubt that many are VERY angry-just hope not too late

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 5:29 PM

This story about Walpin sounds exactly like the federal prosecutors Gonzales fired.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 6:44 PM

Then Senator Obama co-sponsored a bill saying any firing would have to be coupled with a 30 day notice and a definite reason given for the firing. Obama's first response was that someone was dissatisified with Walpin's performance. When pressed he got more specific about Walpin being confused and disoriented at a meeting. Funny thing-within a week after that meeting he was sent to speak at a meeting of more than a thousand people. Since it is up to Congress to do the investigating this old public guy is screwed. It is Obama's right to fire him but his own bill shows he did not follow his own procedure. No checks and balances any more. You don't suppose that the Federal Prosecutor came out early with the Blagoi thing to make it too big a deal for Obama as is his right to fire him for digging into Illinois politics, do you?


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 6:48 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526972,00.html scares me when I agree with the ACLU

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 6:56 PM

When the ACLU isn't promoting its extremist agenda, it still protects civil rights.

And in a related story PETA apparently criticized Obama for killing a persistent fly during an interview.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 6:59 PM

Is there anyone you WOULDN'T agree with if they were criticizing Obama?

Really.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:00 PM

Never mind. Forget I said that, it just slipped out.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:19 PM

Not so quick on the trigger finger, please, Donna. I hate flies, and Barack nailed the pest on his first try. Bravo!

BTW I don't think I regularly quote Obama's critics. Most are well to the right of me.

NB I said a long time ago that we did not have the money to do health care now. He's himself is coming to the same realization today.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:35 PM

I would have felt better about it if he'd said "WIPE! WIPE!" (a la Monk)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:45 PM

Andy, Smoke was talking to me... she often lets things "slip out"after I post

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 8:01 PM

Yes, but I was trying to do better. I apologize.

Sincerely.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 8:14 PM



clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 1:39 AM

Collioure

I said a long time ago that we did not have the money to do health care now. He's himself is coming to the same realization today. (snipped)

It's a matter of priorities, for instance.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-04-19-us-embassy_x.htm

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 3:01 AM

Another apples and oranges argument, Dave.

The price tag for health care topples $1 trillion


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 5:39 AM

And just saw the height of the stack of papers put on the finance committee's desk-this one speaking to the Kennedy's plan which Obama is believed to favor.-higher stack than the stimulus "monster" and no one "bothered to read that-hope they don't expect to pass this too in the same manner. Obama himself as usual doesn't have an actual plan that way he cannot be 'BLAMED" for the devil in the details. He laid out again a vague dream and addressed a couple of specifics. The one he addressed at the AMA was it was he was open to deducing the: pain and suffering malpractice thing that Doctors can be sued for-covering their butts to not be sue often leads to them ordering tests they could have done without-makes sense to me How very convenient he suggested he is open to this at an AMA convention , Many believe capping the amount that docs can be sued for malpractice would go a very long way in reducing health care costs. Of course, no reduction to that is in any of the plans floating around as very unpopular with the huge "Lawyer Lobby'" Any plan that actually gets into the details of how it will be paid for is not popular as it involves taxing someone/ somewhere other than "fat cats". Guess Obama is still hoping they will fund his vast dream-that part is very popular maybe he wil sell/explain things in the day long infomercial ABC is giving him dunno won't be watching...

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 6:36 AM

"Many believe capping the amount that docs can be sued for malpractice would go a very long way in reducing health care costs."

We'll, they are mistaken. It would help some.

However, capping the amount that docs can be sued for malpractice would eliminate excessive testing and that is a lot of money.

However, I don't know why we need a health care plan to cap the amount that docs can be sued for malpractice.

Do you?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 6:42 AM

Don't believe anyone is even dreaming of a cap on actual damages and costs of additional health care costs. It is the cost of the multiple excessive tests that doctors feel forced to give to prevent the "outrageous' not some payouts that some receive for the nebulous pain and suffering thing-out of hand. A slip and fall with hurt pride can be very lucrativenot only on doctors but places of business.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 7:14 AM

Listened to Charles Krauthammer speak on the subject last night. He is among those who has found himself in the position of bothy doctor and patient. He says he now is quite aware when a doctor orders a test which he might not hare needed because he is FORCED to practice DEFENSIVE medicine-huge malpractice suits Acknowledge they have become grossly bigger now in settlements awarded tan they were in the 70s when he practiced. Tests ad over testing drains the system- Linda

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 7:45 AM

And none of the plans out there would allow people to have the same plan that currently ensures the lawmakers-known as a Cadillac plan. The CBO office although hard to figure cost of anything without a specific plan says it would simply shift some to current plans like Medicare-really fraught with fraud-into a huge additional government "BABY" only insuring a small percentage more of the uninsured at the cost of over a trillion . None of that has to do with the Walpin thing-topic of thread was shifted. That is still FAR from over even though Obama wants it to be as the organization his basketball buddy works for has already returned part of the funds-looks a bit fishy. There is also the fear that these inspectors the biggest "public 'watchdogs" we have will be threatened by the fact that obam threw Walpin under the bus. Linda


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