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smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:20 PM

OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST!!

And so are you!! Hi, sorry to get your attention that way, but when I labeled this thread "download help", I basically had no views and no answers!!

Trying to download a song by the Romanian band Trooper. The song is called Zorzon, a "parody" of Dragostea din tei a.k.a. The Maya Hee. Video of song is included in question. Anybody know where or how I can download this song over the internet? The only thing I can find is a "torrent". I don't even know what that is, let alone how to download something that way. Anybody know what that is and how to put a song from a torrent on my computer? Of course, if anyone knows how to get an MP3 of it I won't complain!! Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT2Mt56tABM

No comments on how horrible the song is!! Lol, I know that, I partly want to own the song because it is bad and makes me laugh.

BTW, I know I start alot of music threads, but I'm a big music fan!!!






knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:25 PM

Very funny, Jer. Try Bit Comet.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:27 PM

Pardon me, Jeremy, but I think you need to ask an editor to rename this thread.

Alternately it should be deleted.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:32 PM

I refuse to even open a thread with that title. I wouldn't be caught dead in this thread. What kind of a sick, twisted person would write such a thing? You obviously have something against communists. Maybe even against the color red. And yet your cleverly hidden agenda is open to the truly bright, intelligent folks of sploofus.

I bet you even twitter. Tweeter. Twoot. Whatever.

May the all powerful Justin forgive you.

ARGH! I forgot! My avatar is red. I bet you hate me, don't you? You think I'm a communist too.

Your avatar has never been red. It's that milquetoast blue /white thingy.

I challenge you not to attack communists OR the color red till you walk a mile in their shoes.

The gauntlet has been ...uh....gauntletted in front of you. I dare you to bury your bigotry and try a red avatar for awhile. Try to really embrace what it feels like before you condemn it.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:34 PM

Bartender! I'll have what she's having!

1mks
1mks  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 5883)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:38 PM

LOL, make that a double!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:49 PM

LOL you do have a sense of humor under that intellect-delightful

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:51 PM

I was going to join the party, but I got paranoid, thought someone was in the bushes!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:58 PM

Linda, I've been accused of a lot of things in my life, but never that!

Sorry Jeremy - I owe you an apology - I have instigated stray(tion) from your subject. (Which may be because we don't know how to do what you ask - I know I don't. But I didn't mean to reroute your subject).

But at least try "Big Red" if you haven't before.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 7:58 PM



I downloaded bit comet, but not sure what to do next. I'll PM Karen, sounds like she knows something about it. Thanks for the replies and for the smiles.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 8:01 PM

oooOOOOOOoooooo - Linda meant JEREMY'S sense of humor.!!!!!

Nevermind.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 8:05 PM

If you go to this link:

http://www.trilulilu.ro/de_ce/61d5a36467098c

There is a link on downloading it as an MP3 (I think. Can't read the language, but that's what it looks like.)

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 8:07 PM

Jank, your intellect is very delightful! Even though I often don't agree with it

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 9:48 PM

Geeze guys! It's one of our favorites --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60og9gwKh1o

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 9:51 PM

It all started with this music video 3 years ago --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPzlOIXPLVQ


sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 10:13 PM

Please don't take this wrong, but Muslim men seem so gay to me. I certainly don't care if they are, but know it's a huge crime in some Islamic countries.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 10:17 PM

Maybe it's because Western males are not allowed to be affectionate or touch each other much?

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 10:27 PM

Ironically, Cujgie, the original got over 1 mill. hits on YouTube, but the guy lipsynching Numa Numa got over 29 mill. hits.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:00 PM

You'll be happy to know then, Sandrcam, that O-Zone was a Moldovian (Romanian) rock group, Eastern Europe and mainly Eastern Orthodox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Zone

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:05 PM

I wasn't happy, or unhappy. Just making an observation. Then maybe middle eastern men (not just muslims) are more comfortable touching each other?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:10 PM

I realize that Romania, Bulgaria, etc are eastern european and not middle eastern BTW.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:30 PM

Middle European (not Middle Eastern)? I think the words and music, the energy and vitality of the song, cause whatever touching you see. Do you consider whatever touching they do a gay thing?

Here are the lyrics (it's a love song) --

http://www.catteacorner.com/dragosteadintei.htm


sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:36 PM

Just a bad song. No, I just think that the way that middle eastern men touch each other would be considered gay in the U.S.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:38 PM

I don't know, but I've heard it suggested by a certain Phd that men in the Western world should do more touching, or at least perhaps be more comfortable with it. Doesn't appeal to me, I can barely stand woman touching me let alone men.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:40 PM

The Ukraine, like Romania, is in Eastern Europe, as is Russia. Also Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. Are all the men in these countries comfortable touching each other? What about Italian men? Greek men?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:41 PM

for ya ladd.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:42 PM

Great question!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:44 PM

Ha, don't cry for me, I'm happier when I'm not being touched! Kind of strange I suppose that I don't like it much.....

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:48 PM

Don't know what to say. I'm so unhappy when untouched!! To each their own..

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:49 PM

I'm 100% German heritage. An effusive, demonstrative group the Germans are NOT.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:52 PM

well sieg heil baby, whats that have to do with anything?

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Wed, 17th Jun '09 11:58 PM

I took a course in grad school, all about ethniticity and various traits each has. It was very interesting, even though, at least in the U.S. and somewhat in Canada, the ethnic groups have intermarried and the traits have gotten less obvious. The ethnicity course textbook indicated that, for instance, Mediterranean peoples tend to be more physically affectionate with each other and more vocal, whereas the Northern Europeans are just the opposite.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:10 AM

This is true. Wonder why?

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:37 AM

Here's a review of the book (Ethnicity and Family Therapy) --

"This text was written with a professional audience in mind, but as I began reading it, it also became a personal guide for understanding my own background and culture in relation to others....The chapters are brief, but rich. Each contains an historical overview of the people, including their migration experiences, that provides a context for understanding values, traits, and traditions of the group....Ethnicity and Family Therapy has a much broader audience and application than that of family therapists; this book will speak to any professional who works with people." --The Journal of Family Practice

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:51 AM

Jerminator: The only band Trooper that I know is a Canadian band we used to listen to in Junior High. Our favorite song by them was "Raise a Little Hell."

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 1:15 AM

Sandy- For some reason I think touch is just better reserved after getting to know someone, and even then whether or not I'll let you do it depends on whether you do it right! I think that touch has an element of communication to it, and depending on the message being sent is really where it gets into whether it's welcome or not. I swear that people have given me hugs when I've been upset not so much to console me but as an expression of contempt. I don't know, I haven't thought about it much until today, there seems to be elements to it that I'm struggling to put into words.

Lodi- that song was pretty good! This is for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STiuregSvHg

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 5:11 AM

Hehe! A simple renaming of the thread got 35 replies and 200 views.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:29 AM

Don't mind Andy. He has so much pomposity that there's no room for a sense of humour.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 9:18 AM

Thanks Jeremy. That link actually brought up some videos of Prism, another obscure band my friend, Peggy, and I used to listen to.

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 10:18 AM


fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 11:38 AM

Lodi, if we could make a little emoticon of a hand raised in the "devil horns" rock salute, I would insert that here to Trooper's Raise a Little Hell!!!!

I guess this will have to do:

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:03 PM

I have periodically begged for updated emoticons. sigh

But look how cool this one is.

http://www.emotty.com/emoticon/95/rock-on-baby

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:12 PM

SYL, you seem a bit distanced to me. It is fine to set body limits. You have your space, but everyone needs touch. It is an element to being human. There have been studies on touching and it is part of your psychological makeup. You even seem distant in your posts, like you are stepping back and observing rather than participating. Sorry, don't mean any offense just and observation. Peace Y'all. Oh Lodi I saw the rock on emoticon it is hilarious.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:20 PM

I found SYL's comment very interesting -- "I swear that people have given me hugs when I've been upset not so much to console me but as an expression of contempt." That suspicion and his comments about avoidance of touch in general are exactly what my husband would say. We figured out finally that he is high-functioning autistic (Asperger's) as probably was his now-deceased father and is our son (hyperlexia instead of Asperger's).

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:31 PM

Bobo: I was struggling to understand why that is. I don't know, I just don't like it. I understand that probably most of the thinking on the issue is that people are better off when they are touched for various reasons. I even have a book in my collection called Touching: The Human Significance of the Skin by Ashley Montagu that if I remember right just goes on and on about some of the positives associated with human touch.

But, whatever books have to say about it, I just don't like it much. I would prefer it if in general people just kept their grubby hands off of me UNTIL I give them the okay to do so. No idea why, and honestly, I don't care that much about it. I'm happier that way, and I've tried both ways. I think even my religious perspective when I have that perspective has postives things to say about touch, I imagine it is good for me, much like broccoli or something, but it's just not me. There's lots of things that are "good" for me that I just don't do for one reason or another. I don't always do the right things in life.

As far as seeming distant in my posts, I think I just got pretty personal above, and have a tendency to do so on some topics, but either way I "imagine" you are talking about political threads, in which case I am distant, and for the most part I don't enjoy getting involved. I've been involved fully in other sites and haven't had good experiences with it, especially on religious/political topics. Observing interests me, but participating fully does not. Maybe in time....besides, I'm generally fairly shy and quiet "at first", and there's alot of people I don't know in these forums.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:33 PM

BTW, I DO like touch when permission has been given and the circumstances are right.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:41 PM

Never figured you for a Hammer fan - can't touch this!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:45 PM

Karen:

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 8:47 PM

Anyway, my permission is not that hard to get. My family and friends touch me all the time. It seems to be more of a permission and how well I know you issue.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 12:38 AM

Too late. I just copped a feel.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 6:42 AM

Lodi: you're silly.

Cujgie: I don't know why, but your remark seems to be bothering, so I'll post a reply. I think it is bothering me because it assumes your husbands' reluctance to be touched has to do with his "disease" and not a valid insight of some kind?? Can't be sure, it's just a remark made by a person I don't know. I will say it is my opinion that my culture is way too caught up in dominance and superiority issues. I won't say that's always bad. I will however say that when I think of the issue that word that always pops into my mind is the word "dominance". I don't like that function of touch. I think my policy of "no touch" for strangers falls somewhere along that line. Basically, if you can't do it right, don't do it at all. I won't assume that every touch I get is "good" touch. Because I can't "yet" verbalize the details of my objections, I googled touch and dominance, and without putting much time or effort into learning how to verbalize my "objections" to others, came up with the following abstract:

Diana L. Summerhayes1 and Robert W. Suchner1

(1) Department of Sociology, Northern Illinois University, USA


Abstract Nancy Henley argues that nonreciprocal touch in male—female relations is used by men as a status reminder to keep women in their place. This study examines Henley's argument by exposing 60 observers to photographs of male—female interactions and asking them to rate the pictured actors on the degree to which each dominates the interaction. The interactions differ across two dimensions: status differences evident in the age and dress of the participants (female higher vs. equal vs. male higher) and who is touching whom (female toucher vs. no toucher vs. male toucher). Results of the study support but qualify the status reminder argument. Nonreciprocal touch reduces the perceived power of the person being touched whether the high-status or the low-status person is doing the touching and whether the man or the woman is being touched. Thus, nonreciprocal touch can be used by high-status men to remind lower-status women of their subordinate positions. But it can also be used by lower status women to undermine the status claims of higher status men. In the equal status interactions, nonreciprocal touch does not alter power perceptions as systematically. This finding suggests that without other status cues evident in the relationship, touch alone is insufficient to establish a power advantage for either party.

It seems to describe "some" of what I don't like about touch. There is alot more going on with touch, depending on the whole package including body language, context to the interaction, etc. than meets the eye. I just happen to feel that touch in my culture is abused on some level, and therefore King Jeremy's edict regarding his body is no touch until further notice to people I don't know. Exceptions of course are granted to young children and a large majority of the elderly. One example of a touch situation I don't like, and feel is sometimes implied in the interaction, is when I get the feeling that a "hug" is communicating their notion that I'm somehow being "weak" in a situation, or that I'm being "poo-pooed" as if I were unable to cope as well as they can. Dunno, that's all I've got for you at this time. I'm sure this thread has gone on for far too long, thanks for challenging me on the issue, I'm going to keep thinking about this issue for awhile.


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