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bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:04 PM

MEDDLING, MEDDLESOME, OR ABSTINENCE


Those universal values President Obama spoke have everything to do with the people of Iran's self-determination. It's Iran’s nation. Had we gotten John (bomb, bomb, Iran) McCain you can believe that US and the world would be in a much worst state. I feel so sorry for the innocent Iranians who lost their lives to prove that their votes do matter; and that they no longer want a theocracy or autocratic, state. Iran is another key component to tension in that region.

Republicans have been accusing President Obama of not doing enough because President Obama doesn't want to meddle in Iran’s affair and he’s weak. Nonsense! The ironic part of this Meddlesome situation is Iran is now accusing America of Meddling. Of course, mostly everyone knows Iran needs an escape-goat to account for the mullah's actions. Yet, on the other hand, US and Iran have an embittered history; thanks George Bush. But the truth is this nation wants to join the outside world while the theocracy wants to live in the Medieval Ages.
If Israel is to remain an ally to US it is imperative that that President Obama practices abstinence. Israel has an arsenal and so do North Korea and Pakistan.

There can be no military option for US in dealing with Iran, for past US behavior (mainly Bush policies) which had aggravated tensions in Bush's axis of evil (Middle East) especially; in Iran. We have our own problems: 2 wars, a wrecked economy, and social problems; but more importantly how can we finance another war plus the 2 wars we can’t pay for now? Where will the military recruits come from?

Perhaps, the best support US can give is abstinence. Iran may feel threatened because of the fake invasion of Iraq. I prefer abstinence any day over a “bomb, bomb, Iran" bravado. Go away greedy Body Snatchers.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:21 PM

Oh my, Beverly, you have been watching way way too much of Fox. The only sensible criticism I have heard of Obama came from Charles Krauthammer who thought him rather cowardly not to speak up directly for the people rioting in Iran not either candidate as they are both pretty much the same. He could support the people's cause without trying to be for or against any election outcome. No matter what happens if things go well the Supreme leader who Obama honored by calling him that will get credit. For the things that go wrong the US will e blamed so why not support a basic principle at the same time declining to support a candidate you like he does give him way too much power-way too hubris.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:32 PM

Linda
I listened to Krauthammer talking about being honorific that night. I just happen to think we don't need to insert ourselves into another country's internal affair for the obvious reasons I spoke of above. What did you think about what Juan Williams said?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:37 PM

I often fell sorry for Juan trying to defend the indefensible. Couln't get the actual video to play but the transcriopt is herehttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526967,00.html on the special report

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 12:57 PM

The "inrternet Czar" is messing with me cannot get my posted links to open. Anyone who is interested can get the text of what Krauthammer had to say it you type into google "charles Krauthammer on Obama andthe iranian elections' Charles also voiced the views of Fox that the prez criticcizes them because they are the only NEWS source left-makes sense to me with the ABC infommercial and all

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 1:28 PM


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 1:39 PM

There you go again, Beverly!

John (bomb, bomb, Iran) McCain ? Without that partisan atrocity your post would be quite good.

Obama has handled the Iran situation very well with a hands-off approach. Of course, they're blaming us. The heat's on their failed regime and they need a scapegoat.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 2:03 PM

Andy
Are you the thought police? People say all kinds of things about politicians, for example, Totus. internet Czar, and some other choice words I cannot bring to mind which don't affect me. How does John (bomb, bomb, Iran) McCain) affect you; or anyone for that matter? I'm not attacking anyone personally.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 2:13 PM

Just would like to once again share with you what I have learned here. Every time i used TOTUS to reference Obama although think it an apt description my whole post lost any credibility it might have had. Of course , you are quite free th say bomb bomb Mccain or Glenn dittohead though as that is your right. I did not invent the term "Internet Czar" nor the ridiculous position-Obama did so post away in whatever manner you choose but be preparecd for like with like

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 2:20 PM

Beverly, you keep injecting those partisan bombs into your posts.

Soory, McCain isn't President. Barack is - and he should shine by the excellence of his results, not by comparison to what you in your highly partisan ways imagine the other guy might have done.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 2:51 PM

Andy
He still is talking crazy about Iran . I see hardly anything to boast about his excellence when, in my perception, he is pulling US into a bellicose stance.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 3:08 PM

I am speaking for myself as is McCain whose words nor actions do NOT represent the United States -guess he might speak for the people of Arizona but probably some doubt that. He LOST!! Keep track of the words and actions of the person who won and when and if you can call attention to POSITIVES not positives as compared to someone/something else-the campaign is supposed to be over too-he WON!!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 3:15 PM

Gee thanks Linda.
What brought this sudden clarity? Does this mean you will stop criticizing the Obama administration?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 3:19 PM

Absolutely not. He represents me and works for me so I will keep track of and note anything and everything he does or does not do that I think significant or relevant

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 4:30 PM

He's just a Senator today, Beverly, probably serving out his last term.

Has he suggested bombing Iran after their election?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 18th Jun '09 10:36 PM

"US and Iran have an embittered history; thanks George Bush." How quickly we forget Carter and the Iran Hostages.

"not either candidate as they are both pretty much the same." Some said the same of McCain and Obama but we still had the right to choose which one we wanted.

"I often feel sorry for Juan trying to defend the indefensible." Me, too. Poor guy. He's a good guy, but sometimes he just picks the wrong horse.

I just wish Obama would do what Reagan did for the Poles and just express sympathy or, dare I say, Solidarity.

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.1 - Posts: 240)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 12:42 AM

I doubt Obama will ever do anything like Reagan. Unfortunate.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 7:16 AM

One man's unfortunate is another's HURRAY!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 8:24 AM

Please list the "Hurrays" on the foreign front or even the home front

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 8:44 AM

Current "Hurrays" I mean And also please don't use the "jobs saved" approach. I woke up this morning. At least in my mind that is a plus. Tell us the pluses not pluses as compared to not waking up....

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 11:02 AM


Fudy,
I think that shortened version is so cute. But,I don't Think you give Neither Carter nor Obama credit for keeping US out of a war.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 11:54 AM

thought there was something thyat really LOOKED like a wa(s) in Afghanistan and spilling into Pakistan with both soldiers and civilians dying and additional troops being sent all the time-but I probabbly don't see the BIG picture

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 11:57 AM

Are you referencing the Iranian Crisis, Linda?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 12:23 PM

Nope, but cannot quite figure out the role Jimmy played-last time I heard about him the Mideast he had almost gotten his butt blown up by-dare i say the words-terrorist organization. No one went to war with iran when Reagan was president either but they gave the hostages back pretty much when Jimmy left and he arrived. Think they kind of figured it was not all about show with him although he to was an actor and great on the camera shots

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 12:40 PM

Sorry, Beverly missed the part where "nutjob" or the students were threatening an attack right now on the US. Too I get confused about which war is the proper one- so guess Obama kept us out of something but seems like it is our fault anyway

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 12:55 PM

You'll be hearing those threats of the Alloytah from the media soon if you haven't already. Obama didn't take us into any war and neither did Carter.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Fri, 19th Jun '09 1:02 PM

They have been threatening both the US and Israel for a very long time so any new threats are not news. Obama's speaking the proper way influenced NOTHING except possibly disappointment on the part of the rioters that he did not strongly support the principles he touted in Egypt..


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