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smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 5:44 AM

NO PIGEONS

Has anyone heard anything about the Octomom in awhile? Is she working and off public assistance? I know, it's really old news, just popped into my mind. It doesn't say much recent, but Wikipedia says, "In February 2009, Vivid Entertainment made Suleman a $1 million (US) offer to star in a pornographic movie.[30] Suleman has declined their offer.[31]". There's probably going to be ethical disputes here, but does anyone else think it's a bit silly that she turned this down, in light of her chronic unemployment problems, and her overworked and now bankrupt parents? Anyone follow this closer than me, why didn't the state take the kids, out of curiosity? Color me curious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBmrAeh7s0c

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 5:59 AM

SYL, you seem to hate females in general IMO.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:08 AM

I'm not entirely sure why you believe your opinion of me would be of some interest to me. Funny one or two women on this site have made that remark, yet nearly all of my friends are females. Wonder why they don't pick up on that fact in person. Perhaps you should get to know people before you make judgements about someone you have never met.

Anyway, back to the thread, anyone know what happened to this lady?

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.4 - Posts: 3300)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:54 AM

Apparently all the really important news is on the late-night TV shows. She's signed up with some TV production company to turn their lives into a reality show. Also, I know her house - woops, her mother's house - was to be auctioned off a couple of weeks ago. Didn't hear what they got for it, or where they are living now. Oh yeah - and she got a ticket for using a cell phone while driving. I am just a fountain of important information.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 7:03 AM

can you say "planned parenthood" ? apparently she couldn't. ridiculous conversation, sorry i got involved.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 7:04 AM

I still ya, Jerm

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 8:46 AM

Thanks, Alice.

Without you this thread would be would void of valuable info.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 9:12 AM

I'm willing to admit my own role in my mistakes.

Sandy: I don't expect you to understand, but in response to your PM on the matter, which I will not discuss privately due to certain things involved in the PM, I will say that perhaps, you being a stranger and all, on some small level I may have had that coming because I didn't consider my audience. I just spent all night exchanging insults with two of my female friends, a game I call "flyting". Here's some context for that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyting
http://blogs.bet.com/news/newsyoushouldknow/and-you-thought-rap-beefs-started-in-the-hood/

Calling this stranger a pigeon was not "nice" I suppose, and in general we direct our game towards each other and public figures only. In this case, I can see how it would "seem" personal if she's a friend or family member of yours. If so, I apologize, the game was not intended to get personal with strangers. The song that it comes from was also meant to be a "light-hearted" answer song to the TLC song No Scrubs. As far as I know, the song is not meant to be a put down of women at all, it's merely a response to something, you might call it part of a "conversation". Obviously, not knowing this person, it's hard to say if the label of "pigeon" would really stick or not, it's only a game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_pigeons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_song

It just didn't occur to me that a virtual stranger would take such offense at a game that we all play, including other friends, on a day to day basis. I was in a "most of these people know something of me" mode and not thinking ahead. However, I do play that game regarding public figures, it's tongue in cheek but half serious at the same time, and perhaps it is something you should just know about me if I continue to participate in these forums. I will try to mitigate our fun game of "slam fest" some for the sake of strangers in my audience in the future, though perhaps not completely as it becomes habit, although seriously, I feel that I will miss out on half the light-hearted "fun". Thanks.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 9:14 AM

Alice, THANK YOU. I appreciate your response and letting me know what is going on with her. Part of my concern is for the children of that mother, and I want to know that she's is able to provide. Thank you so much!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 9:23 AM

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about!

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 9:23 AM

Jeremy: I think that she had the choice of $1 million for the porn movie and an undisclosed amount (probably much more) for her reality show. Had she done the porn movie, I'm guessing the family reality show would have been dropped like a hot rock. For her, it was a wise business decision. I hope the best for the kids.

Lodi

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 5:03 PM

Sandy: I won't explain it twice.

Lodi: Thanks, I hadn't considered that factor before, you are probably right about that.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 5:13 PM

The saddest thing about octomom is that she doesn't seem to have demonstrated the ability to be a fit parent. Having six children (with more at home) with no visible means of support is just the tip of the iceberg. Making a reality show of her life may be fiscally sound for her but unhealthy for her family. This woman has failed to ever think about consequences so why will she start now? I imagine that Children's Services is keeping a close eye on her and her family, which is the right thing to do. My heart goes out to these children, whose lives will forever be marked.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 5:23 PM

SYL don't know why the criticism seems to me you are very diplomatic. Most times in your posting you try very hard (too hard)not to offend people. I don't know what is up with this lady but feel for the children. A boycott of her show is the best bet as why should she profit from being able to make babies. That seems to be her only talent. My mother could have been rich and famous! And she did a much better job with fewer resources. By the way she makes women look bad.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 5:44 PM

I think she's disturbed and I feel sorry for her and the kids, but whoever helped her with making all those babies has some 'splainin' to do.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:12 PM

Smoke - Love that line "Lucy you got some splaining to do" you got it. But, some men don't bother to ask.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:27 PM

Not talking about men, talking about the fertility doctors who implanted all those babies knowing she had all those other kids at home. And I'm sorry, if WE can see how weird she is, those folks were in the room with her, and she couldn't have done it without them. Whatever happens, I think they're more to blame than she is.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:31 PM

As is often the case, I agree with Donna.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:32 PM

Matter of fact, I think they ought to be made to support her and the kids, right the way through college for the lot, and therapy for the whole family. That might fix the wrong done.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:38 PM

Not to worry, Smoke, O'Reilly is on the doctor's case

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:41 PM

Encouraging to know he occasionally calls one right.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:42 PM

Oh we can all rest now O'Reillys on the case. Agree with you Donna. I don't understand what was going on there. I am sorry I didn't think of it that way. I did when it first came out.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:44 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504123,00.html in case you might want to read it

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:47 PM

O'Reilly gets lots of stuff right. He's been a major factor in Jessica's law.

It's mostly when his Catholicism takes over his brain, that he loses his objectivity.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:51 PM

Read it Linda, that is scary stuff. Still don't really understand. They picked that woman or she was a guinea pig?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 6:57 PM


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 20th Jun '09 7:00 PM

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1883663,00.html seems this doc is responsible for her other children as well-another one not in it forrthe good but for the bucks

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.5 - Posts: 893)
Sun, 21st Jun '09 12:28 AM

Catholicism, Andy? I thought that was Buchanan.

As to Octomom -- the trash media is more than willing to make a buck or two off her, they don't give a rip about the kids.

Puzzled about auctioning off her mother's place -- I thought they were renting it. Of course, I HAVE been wrong a time or two

I sincerely do hope Children's Service is keeping an eye out for the kids' benefit -- this is so high profile, they better not fall through the cracks of the system.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 21st Jun '09 1:40 AM

With Buchanan it's more than just Catholicism getting in the way. However, the Buchanan we see on McLaughlin Group is a pretty savvy panelist.

O'Reilly's Catholicism shows up bigtime when he addresses the issue of abortion.



smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 21st Jun '09 3:03 AM

I guess the problem I have with her pregnancies is more in regards the first six. I might agree that the doctors should take some responsibility here, but I don't understand how a mother who cannot support children, or perhaps in her case with some help not many, can continue to visit the fertility doctor year after year knowing her own financial situation. I just wouldn't treat myself that way, let alone let children be raised under those circumstances. I'm not a big fan of legislation, but maybe there should be more to getting these services than just the ability to pay the doctor, some proof that you can also support the child as well?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 21st Jun '09 3:06 AM

Or perhaps they have that already......????

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.3 - Posts: 5314)
Sun, 21st Jun '09 1:29 PM

There definitely needs to be continued oversight on these children. But if you consider taking all of those children away from her and putting them into foster care, you are talking about a HUGE expense and workload that already overworked Child Protective Services can't handle. And California doesn't have the money. Plus, not all foster care is equal. Unfortunately, there are some horror stories out there. I'm concerned you'd be solving one crisis but creating many crises.

She is very articulate and will probably do fairly well on a reality show. Let's hope she's required to put the money into an account where she has someone ethical managing her money. Or at the very least, let's hope that when she gets some money she doesn't find some unethical doctor to implant more eggs in her. As I recall, all of her fertilized eggs are used now. Hopefully no one will let her have more fertilized.

I feel sorry for her parents. They obviously love the grandchildren and try to help their daughter raise them, but it's a shame their lives and finances are consumed by their daughter's fantasies.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 2:45 AM

Bobo: "SYL don't know why the criticism seems to me you are very diplomatic. Most times in your posting you try very hard (too hard)not to offend people."

This is probably going to be more than you want to know about me, so if you are bothered by someone being upfront, don't read!! But, at the same time, you asked. But, I'm not just posting this for you, this goes out to anyone, whether that be this Sandracam person, or any other female who has a beef with me about this issue, just to finally try and clear this up. But I will leave out things, because I can.

I'll try to explain it to you as best as I can Bobo, I can't explain it fully and can only guess. Before you were a regular contributing member here, I made some comments on a particular thread, and in the shout box, that sounded quite offensive and mean to "some" women, although apparently not to many or most others. I never bothered to clear it up, because it seemed like a minority of women that took it uber-personally, and probably the ones I didn't give a shi#% about anyways. Perhaps Sandy was one who was present at the time, dunno, I can't remember her at all. (Leaving alot out of the story) This venting was due to circumstances in my personal life, such as being emotionally abused by my then current wife, literally of course, and being around her friends who were quite derogatory and hateful towards men, as a certain minority of women in society are. Being so busy, these were the only women I was spending alot of time around, and this influenced me to say things about "some" women that weren't the nicest, but still not that bad really in light of things. I was feeling upset at the time, and used Sploofus to do some restrained venting about the situation. The others who heard these comments didn't know that of course, nor could they.

Honestly if a few rude comments on some trivia site, and on a few others as well where I vented was the most that this kind of abuse (along with other events I left out) ever effected me, I'm proud of myself that I handled it so well. As far as the source of her comment that in her unasked for opinion that I hate women or whatever she said, these few comments made are the only guess I have. Maybe if they read this they will find some comments without context can't be used to actually "define" anybody who lives and grows and breathes, though I doubt it.

There may be a political element as well.

I don't believe that any social, religious, philosophical movement should exist at all without criticism, including the ones I am involved in, and I sometimes criticize feminism. I consider it constructive criticism, but I'm not perfect about it, nobody can be. There have been times where I have been teasing, or half-serious, or dead serious about this criticism. I have noticed that in a very small minority of women ANY criticism of feminism is met with hostility, dunno why that is, it's sad really. Is that Sandy? I can't really say, just one possibility.

More Sandy specific, I also made some comments about thinking nurses should get a paycut, or perhaps are overpaid a bit, and Sandy seems to have gotten quite upset about my comments on that thread as well. Again, not knowing anything about me, she thinks it is some beef against women, and not a concern about the healthcare crisis in general. At least she has a good imagination about things. Although I stand by my statements on that particular thread regarding my observations concerning nurses in Oregon, I also happen to think that the majority of nurses in the state of Montana are underpaid for example, and my comments, while it wasn't entirely explicit were largely Oregon specific. Knowing that is my opinion, her opinion that it has something to do with "women" is clearly not valid, and doesn't concern me much. As a nurse in the state of Indiana, she seems to now have some kind of beef with me concerning this pay cut issue, can't really say why.

Really, once you understand that people's comments are a form of self-revelation, that they once in awhile connect to the real world. but just as often are a just a statement about the individual speaking, especially on the internet, you will realize that when Sandy puts me down she is saying something about herself, her own experiences, and HER beliefs about something, and not something about me. She doesn't know me, and I barely know her. Although what she is saying about herself, I have no clue, I don't really know her at all, and I would have to in order to understand this. I don't take it personally, but I won't tolerate insults from strangers. I have better ways to spend my time. My stand is, if you are a friend, please, insult me, it will be fun! Otherwise, I've got better things to do. I know me, I know her comments don't connect to anything in the real world. Why she is REALLY making them, you will have to ask her about that, as these are the only guesses that I have right now.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 7:57 AM

Just called it as I saw it. Nice post. Think the "Laddy protests too much".

erin0620
Erin0620  (Level: 77.2 - Posts: 737)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 10:27 AM

Stout has always been absolutely wonderful to me. Thoughtful, caring, insightful and supportive. And I am female. I swear, I just double checked.
Love ya, Stout xo.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 10:35 AM

Sure it is just me but have trouble getting past the intellectual "selfs" of folks like Jeremy and Ross (Foogs)-to figure out their point. No personal offense meant to either but just so you know if you are insulting me or my point of view will most likely be lost on me as quit reading when you get deeply philosophical or use words I have to look up. As I said that is just me...

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 1:47 PM

I remember that thread, Jeremy. Too bad we can't search the threads or we could bring it back up. I think the majority of the thoughts were not that you hated women, but that you were inexperienced on how to deal with them, and thus made comments that caused some to bristle.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 2:07 PM

Just so we are clear have don't have an issue with Ross or Jerey-certainly not their fault that they at times talk way over my head. Must have missed Jeremy's comments probably because i don't do the WR/WM and certainly did not catch the thread discussing it.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 2:45 PM

Thanks Erin.

Lodi: Yes, that was the thread, seem to remember a minority calling me names. If I remember right "someone" (and yes I remember who) used the big M word (misogynist). I think it was that thread, but not that I cared, I didn't know who she was either, people that "rush to judge" without investigating further and getting to know people don't really interest me that much as people. I generally assume they have their own things they are dealing with, or are just playing "politics" and all that the word implies. I also remember some females up in arms when Chick and I got into some kind men vs. women "match" (which, at the time, she knew much more about gender issues than I did and she clearly won the match). Of course, as usual Chick didn't seem bothered by it, perhaps another venue than the shout box would've been "more fun" for the both of us.

I also think it comes with politics. I can't think of any political movement that doesn't overuse "labels" when it comes to it's critics. Racist/misogynist/homophobe, on and on the put downs go. If you can't capture their mind during the process of "empowerment"....a put down will do when you've lost control and can't recruit everybody to your cause. People take these labels "seriously", especially when the person doing the name calling pretends to have "intimate" knowledge that others don't of someone. It rallies the forces. Of course, using this tactic wrong actually hurts the movement some in my mind, but it's about "empowerment", or power, and some don't seem to care if their movement is served or not, just quick, mindless, instant victories of some kind. Whatever gets you the big screen tv I guess (half-serious there, as "helping" people can also be a motive, but I don't think quelling dissent through hasty labels always does). Name calling is often about "control", and I guess if other's feel I need to be controlled, I guess I should be flattered by that! I generally assume that me and my opinions don't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

Linda, sorry if you feel I've gone over your head! I'm really not that bright. I've noticed that people who use big words sometimes are using them to "cover up" their own lack of understanding on the issue. I think some of them think that if they use big words, then people will not really investigate whether they know what they are talking about or not, or just take their word for it! Of course, sometimes big words are just a time saver, and can mean you know what you are saying. Hard to say, that could be me sometimes, maybe you should investigate the matter further, lol! You know things about politics I haven't taken the time to learn about, big words or not. Don't take me too seriously.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 2:56 PM

I have large gaps in my understanding of things sometimes. I'm the first to admit it when they exist.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 3:04 PM

Come here Jeremy and let me give you a big hug! (with your permission, of course - knowing your beef with unsolicited touch)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 3:13 PM

Karen, like I have said multiple times-YOU are a "Keeper"

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 6:06 PM

I am sorry if I gave a reason for additional commentary or rebuffs. I think you SYL are an intelligent fellow. I don't know you but you seem to look at all sides of a debate and you comment diplomatically. I am like Knerd confused by some comments I read about your fear of physical affection. But whatever floats your boat, of course there are studies that it is not healthy to be unable to accept physical affection. That said you are an interesting speciman of a male. Enough said, we don't want to go into my issues.

knerd
Knerd  (Level: 99.0 - Posts: 1141)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 6:11 PM

Awww, I was just joking around with the lad and I'm sure he knows that. I actually don't like for people to assume a hug is okay with me either. I really hated when I was pregnant and strangers would come up to me and want to touch my belly. Really?

Oh, and Linda, I heart you too!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 9:48 PM

Bobo:

It really does have to do with context and timing. I can accept it. I would really have to limit my comments in order to talk about it all, because "touch" can be used to convey sooo many messages. I think, depending on the context, that some people who behave as if they have an "unlimited" right to touch you during a dominance game in the workplace for example are trying to convey the notion of "property" or "ownership" of you. This example i's probably more of a proclivity of males, though some of the women I know will do this once they get to know you, whereas a male will do it to just about anybody. I don't mind dominance games, but I personally think that this is akin to "throwing the game", especially in an environment like work that doesn't generally allow the "violence" solution, which it sometimes eggs on. I think it's another way of getting a point across. If you can't get your point across on dominance issues through competition, or find some way to demonstrate your skill, I guess you just violate somebody to try and force that view on somebody in part through excessive touch. I swear that some people who behave as if they have an "unlimited" right to touch you during a dominance game in the workplace for example are trying to convey the notion of "property" or "ownership" of you. Not always, I'm thinking of isolated events of course.

When my uncle used to sit and me and tap my chest until it hurt when I was a kid, it was part of a dominance game like I mentioned above, when he had no other way to "earn" my respect.

Feminism to me seems to recognize the role "touch" plays in dominance games.
Here's that link again talking about how males use touch in relation to women: http://www.springerlink.com/content/u18x417626x4v143/
I think the funny thing about that abstract is that it behaves "as if" this kind of touch used to express dominance was really some kind of "gender" issue, and I don't think it really is in the sense that men do this to men as well all of the time.

I had to "slice up the pie" in order to talk about it. Women can use touch in ways that are equally offensive to people to send messages, and rightfully so.

And of course, it's all in the "context" of other things, body language, circumstances, power issues come into play, etc.

I'm sure I wasn't well understood again, when I can vocalize the "rest" without lengthy discussion, I guess I'll speak up!!

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 22nd Jun '09 10:49 PM

I do understand and I am not a demonstrative person, even with family. I guess youi could say I am not touchy feely. Nor do I like to be groped by strangers. So I completely understand the dominance game. I was speaking of touching in terms of family or close friends and intimate relationships, sometimes it is nice to be hugged by someone you love. Like wise sometimes it is good to give hugs. So sploofus friend and brother I am sending you a cyberspace hug, and take care. You are safe here at sploofus to let your hair hang down so to speak. Love Bobo

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 4:53 PM

Well, I don't mean to imply either that's it's all bad touch, even from acquaintances and strangers. Probably the majority of touch that I recieve is "friendly" touch, signifying things like a desire to get to know one another better, or maybe with strangers it sometimes just implies that there is a connection, they are enjoying the conversation and would like to continue. The truth is, that at this stage in my life I'm really just a "workaholic", and even friendly touch I feel sometimes implies an "obligation" to further the relationship. Not always of course, but that describes alot of the touch I get anyways. Unless it's at work, I generally don't have time for such things, my schedule is way too tight. I can sit here and shoot the breeze because I'm working on homework while I do it! I don't like "rejecting" other people's advances for friendship and the like, because they don't always get that it's not a personal judgement of some kind, though I guess in rare cases it might be.

I think there's also an element of trying to present myself as someone who generally doesn't need much help in life, because in general I don't. If I do need your help, you'll know about it, and I'm sure the touching thing would be welcomed. Anyways, like I said, it mainly applies to strangers and acquaintances. All bets are off with friends and family. I think the above post was more concerned with "debating" the idea that "all" touch is good or friendly, still debating topics from another thread, lol. It's not that I think all touch is bad, even from people I don't know.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 5:32 PM

I used to be like you, Jeremy. My family was never a loving, touchy family, and I hugged no one other than my husband and my kids. Even when Scott and I got married, I would panic and escape when his parents would say goodbye to us and try to hug everyone. I'm not sure what happened, or when, but I no longer have those issues. I can hug just about anyone these days, nor do I mind the casual touch. Many times, I even initiate it.

I have to say, its very liberating to be free of that particular black cloud that followed me around.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 5:56 PM

"your fear of physical affection."

From what I understand, Jeremy doesn't want to be touched by strangers. Who the hell does!!!???? Stay out of my personal space.

Some people are huggers, my family is, but my best friend is not so I rarely touch her even though we've been best friends for over 25 years. (Yes, we met in pre-school )

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 7:31 PM

I'm a hugger...

I don't like Jerm...never did, never will. He's an evildoer and I've requested his profile be yanked SEVERAL times, yet the LB is still here.

To clarify things, I don't believe that I touched him, but the poking out of the eyeballs with my Jerm voodoo doll might quite possibly border on touching. Lawyers here please feel free to chime in.

HRH...Me.

lynnm
Lynnm  (Level: 226.1 - Posts: 1948)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 7:54 PM

Wow, what happened to the topic? I feel like I just walked through a minefield of none-of-my-business.

I wonder if anyone will watch a show about Octomom? I can't think of anything more tedious than watching a reality show about raising 14 kids, except maybe raising them myself. No thank you!

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 10:34 PM

Uh Kel? Hate to break it to ya, but "hugging" does not mean "groping." As I've told you before, I'm not into that. much.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 10:43 PM

Fairly sure I groped you in your sleep...

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 11:29 PM

Lynn, people watch that show Jon & Kate + 8, which is a train wreck. I don't even watch it, but just seeing the commercials I can tell that these people are out of control. Considering the crazy crap that makes for reality television, there will be people watching the Octomom.

Disclaimer: This message does not represent the opinions of Mr. Sploofus, his splooflunkies, nor HRH Queen of all Sploof. It is solely the opinion of the poster and does not represent a slam on reality television in general as the poster admits to certain RT addictions, namely Survivor, Amazing Race, and even the occasional foray into America's Next Top Model.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 11:42 PM

I'm smiling with my eyes.

lynnm
Lynnm  (Level: 226.1 - Posts: 1948)
Tue, 23rd Jun '09 11:42 PM

LOL Fudy. I hadn't heard of the Jon and Kate thing until this morning, but like you I have my own TV addictions. I like the criminal forensic shows where they test everything and find the bad guy.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 24th Jun '09 12:23 AM

Yeah, I finally broke my CSI

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 24th Jun '09 12:25 AM

Ooops!

Anyway, I broke my CSI addiction, but I always love the part on those shows when the music plays which is TV for, "What we're doing here now will take about 2 weeks in real time, but we're going to make it happen in about 30 seconds...just for you."


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