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jenn326
Jenn326  (Level: 22.8 - Posts: 173)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 6:14 PM

SO WHAT IS THE SECRET?

On WordRounds, I am amazed at how many people are successful with so few tries! What is your secret? (If you care to share!);0)

machiabelly
Machiabelly  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 190)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 6:35 PM

No secret here. I just pride myself on having a large....ummm...what's that word....you know, I know a lot of words. Yeah!! Vocabulary. That's it.



doobie999
Doobie999  (Level: 90.3 - Posts: 29)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 8:53 PM

I agree Jenn! There is something going on. Some of the moves are so low it can't be possible!

eksimba
Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 9:32 PM

Somebody else just asked me basically the same thing via private message the other day, and I was happy to share how I do it. There's no real secret... It's a matter of:

- Be a "gold" member so you get 10 attempts. I usually only get one or two "good" times out of ten tries, but it only takes one.

- Be ready when you start a round... No distractions... Place one finger on the keyboard's "enter" key while the other hand is poised ready on the optical wheel-mouse

- Scan the question quickly to look for key words, clues as to whether you're looking for a verb, noun, adjective, synonym/antonym, whatever... I rarely actually "read" the entire question.

- Scan the answers to find the correct word based on the clues in the question - sometimes it's another form of a keyword in the clue, but sometimes it's completely different

- Click as quickly as possible on the correct answer while immediately scrolling down just a touch (using the mouse wheel, of course). The quick scrolling brings the next question just up to eye level.

- Perform the same scan/click/scroll process for the next question, all the way down to the final question

- As soon as the final answer is chosen, use your non-mouse hand to press the enter key on the keyboard

- Repeat this process many, many times and the mechanics become almost automatic

- Do it as many times per day as you can and you'll build up some serious points

Oh yeah, it also helps to have a relatively large vocabulary, know about conjugations, cognates, etymology, word roots (especially those from Greek and Latin), common prefixes and suffixes, etc.

To get a really phenomenal time (currently that means something under 20 seconds) you have to be able to do all of the above and also be blessed with a quick page load time, short and easy clues, short answers, and just a little bit of luck.

Other than that, there's really no magic. Simple enough, right?



Ok, now I have to wrap it up 'cuz the next WordRound is coming up. I can't miss it, you know...

sinope
Sinope  (Level: 7.5 - Posts: 37)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 9:58 PM

Wait, are you talking about WordPuzzles or WordRounds?

eksimba
Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 10:00 PM

I was talking about WordRounds... What were you talking about, Jenn?

jenn326
Jenn326  (Level: 22.8 - Posts: 173)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 10:32 PM

I meant WordPuzzle. But hey, I got you to share your secret Eric! ;0)

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 10:56 PM

Well I did not fare well with today's puzzle...

But I am typically pretty good at figuring out the puzzles. If I think I've got it, I just "go for it." Usually it pans out... but sometimes it doesn't. Those crossword puzzles I did in college (while I was supposed to be taking notes) and watching "Wheel" with my grandfather comes in handy. :D

sinope
Sinope  (Level: 7.5 - Posts: 37)
Fri, 9th Sep '05 11:55 PM

Well, for many people, the way to win on WordPuzzles is cheating.

For me, the way to win is a little cleverness and a big arsenal of secret tools. I've told Tuzilla some of my methods, but I'd rather not reveal them in the chat!

I'll say this much. Every time you guess a letter, you are given quite a bit of information. If it's not there, you eliminate ALL phrases that have that letter, which is probably many of them. If it IS there, you learn a couple things: (1) exactly where that letter appears, and (2) that it doesn't appear anywhere else! This can really narrow down the number of possible solutions fast, even from a big list of possiblities (like 12-letter vocab words).

kasp767982
Kasp767982  (Level: 157.8 - Posts: 153)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 4:25 AM

I have to say that some peeps get the wordpuzzles really quickly, but I guess it's a case of if 'you know it, you got it' Me, I take flipping ages :D

mskillian
Mskillian  (Level: 65.1 - Posts: 226)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 1:41 PM

Jenn,

I've heard (and I'm NOT accusing anyone) that some people use crossword puzzle dictionaries to solve the puzzles. That and unscrupulous people who maintain an account at the office and an account at home so they do the word puzzle at work and then come home and do it at home, granted they might not get the same answer but at least they've already seen 5 of the 10 possibilities.

And as is obvious by my scores, I'm not one of the people who does either of the things I mentioned above.

Morrie

mskillian
Mskillian  (Level: 65.1 - Posts: 226)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 1:42 PM

Jenn,

I've heard (and I'm NOT accusing anyone) that some people use crossword puzzle dictionaries to solve the puzzles. That and unscrupulous people who maintain an account at the office and an account at home so they do the word puzzle at work and then come home and do it at home, granted they might not get the same answer but at least they've already seen 5 of the 10 possibilities.

And as is obvious by my scores, I'm not one of the people who does either of the things I mentioned above.

Morrie

jenn326
Jenn326  (Level: 22.8 - Posts: 173)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 2:01 PM

Well, if people are cheating, that just stinks. Especially if they win a prize for it! (And please don't think I am accusing anyone).
Maybe Sploofus could shake things up by doing the same 5 puzzles, but putting them in random order each time so that if a person does have the answers, they still have to figure out which puzzle it is. Just food for thought.

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 2:13 PM

Jenn, James takes the puzzles after I do (since once he stood behind me hinting at all the answers and I didn't like it). He fills all the letters in because he gets more points that way. Sometimes he'll ask what my puzzles were after he does his, and it seems like the puzzles are randomly given to everyone. There are 10 puzzles per puzzle, each person receives 5 of those randomly, and in random order.


tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 9:29 PM

To me, cheating at Word Puzzles is:

1. 1 person with 2, 3, 4 accounts that they use to stair-step their way to the top of the scores

2. 2, 3, 4 or more people who either work from the same computer, watching those before them take the quiz, or 1 of them takes the quiz and then shares the answer via email or telephone.

As far as 1 person using his own wits to find help, I haven't a problem with that. If they find a better tool and get a better score, that tool is out there, also available to me. It is up to me to find it, or a better one. I like Word Puzzle a lot and always try to do them between 5 and 5:30pm while I am cooking dinner. I often get decent scores, but often get long times. I am also one of the first people to take it most days.

eksimba
Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 10:37 PM

I personally feel that anybody who uses an outside source to help them with the puzzles, whether it's a book, a website, another person, or another sploofus account, is, in essence, cheating. In other words, if you don't pull the answer directly out of your head, you're cheating.

When I first started at sploofus I liked the WordPuzzles, but I'm a pretty competitive person. When I saw some of the "impossible" scores, it became evident to me that people were using other tools to help them... I did some digging around, found a couple of websites that had these tools, used them, and found I could now duplicate some of the super-low scores (minimum # of guesses). It took all of the fun out of it, because it's basically me competing against some computer program out there, not other human beings.

That, and the fact that most of the time you can get higher scores by making *more* guesses than fewer, make the WordRounds less attractive to me. I haven't played on in a couple of months now...

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 10:42 PM

Eric, did you mean to say "Word Puzzles"? Surely not "Word Rounds", given your present First Place standing there.

eksimba
Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Sat, 10th Sep '05 11:19 PM

Oops, yes, I meant WordPuzzles the second time... I must have WordRounds on the brain right now.



sinope
Sinope  (Level: 7.5 - Posts: 37)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 12:31 AM

Okay, its clear that some of you think I'm cheating. How about I clarify further: All the tools I use are completely of my own creation. Mostly they are just well-thought-out methods.

sinope
Sinope  (Level: 7.5 - Posts: 37)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 12:32 AM

Oh, and it's true you get a few points every guess you make, but winning is worth 5,000 points...

mskillian
Mskillian  (Level: 65.1 - Posts: 226)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 8:09 AM

Sinope,

No one has accused you of cheating at all.

But you have to wonder when someone says, "I have a great system, I'm not telling you what it is, but it is a great system and I win with it all the time!" It brings about the same sort of frustration as eating a great meal somewhere and asking for the recipe only to be told, "yeah, it is delicious isn't it, but I'm not telling you how I made it."

What is the matter with sharing your tips? If they enhance the competition of the game, doesn't that raise the enjoyment for all?

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 10:27 AM

I can see it, now

Get it while you can!!! The hottest CD on EBAY!

The CD that is banned in Boston and 13 Southern States, North Korea and Iran.

The CD sploofus doesn't want you to have.

"SINOPE'S SUPER SECRET WORD PUZZLES METHOD"

"I bought it and in one week went from nowhere to the top of the charts." doofusaurus

"I was no one, now I am a player" turkeyhead

TONS OF INFORMATION --- HOT TIPS --- LOTS OF PROVEN TECHNIQUES

1. Pick only letters, never numbers or other characters

2. Never pick the same letter twice in the same puzzle

THESE AND THE OTHER INFORMATION ON THIS CD ARE GUARANTEED TO ROCKET YOUR SCORES TO THE TOP OF THE LEADERBOARD.

BID EARLY AND OFFER. LIMITED TIME OFFER. SUPPLY LIMITED TO AS MANY AS I CAN SELL, SO ORDER SOON, BEFORE I RUN OUT.

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 10:36 AM

But, what's the URL to the auction site? Do they take Paypal? Is there a money back guarantee? What's her feedback? Can I sue if I don't take first place? Is there a TUTORIAL on how to use it?"

sinope
Sinope  (Level: 7.5 - Posts: 37)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 11:01 AM

OK, here's a tip:

Given the English alphabet E and an unknown word of length n, find the eta in E with maximal entropy H(X), where X:E^n'-->Z_2^n is an injective function from English words w of length n E^n' (a subset of E^n) to binary strings of length n Z_2^n, e.g. "z_0 z_1 z_2 ... z_n", where each z_k indicates the event "the kth letter in w is eta". Then guess eta.

If you can find a better way then you certainly deserve to beat me....

(sorry about wrecking your profit margins, Tuzilla)

mskillian
Mskillian  (Level: 65.1 - Posts: 226)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 2:03 PM

Well, what I do is click on a letter and see if it is in the puzzle. Then I stare at the puzzle a few seconds a click on another letter and so on and so on and usually on about the 10th move per word, I get it and type it in. It works for me but somehow, I think your equation (I quit comprehending when I got to eta) probably produces a much more satisfying result.

sinope
Sinope  (Level: 7.5 - Posts: 37)
Sun, 11th Sep '05 6:57 PM

Okay, here's a hint that might be more helpful: Take your time! You can take as long as you want to save a single move, it's guaranteed to move you up the standings (unless you're already going to win).

troypassion
Troypassion  (Level: 69.5 - Posts: 60)
Mon, 12th Sep '05 4:42 PM

Sinope,

I have absolutely no idea if the equation up there is genuine or a joke but either way, I like your style!

If it's genuine - you are an absolute genius!

If it's a joke you should do stand up!


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