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smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 5:11 PM

PALIN RESIGNS

Sarah Palin is resigning as governor of Alaska. Possibly out of politics for good? Do I give a hoot?? Absolutely not, just wanted to post something political because I could.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31726640?GT1=43001

sploofus
Justin  
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 5:14 PM

Wow, that is interesting. I wonder why she is calling it quits.

Thanks for the info I hadn't heard about that.

Justin


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 5:17 PM

Saw her speech. Sorry but it reminded me a bit of Sanford minus the scandal. If she has future aspirations she has work to do. Who knows?? Then again a huge thing might be another 'vote against' election

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.4 - Posts: 3300)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:03 PM

Wouldn't it be neat if she was resigning to take care of her grandchild. Or her youngest child. Well, we know that this isn't the reason. Maybe she resigned to study some US history so that she would have a knowledge base.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:05 PM

I hope she gets a show on Fox. Huckabee is awful.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:06 PM

She's obviously going to run for President in 2012 or for Senator soon. She likes her job as governor and can't possibly not want a 2nd term unless she has bigger plans.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:19 PM

Well whatever her move is, it surprised pretty much everyone . Don't know that much about her except the nasty stuff slung at her but going to do a bit of reading. Alice, if you are SURE those are not her reasons you are more SURE than anyone else.

billkozy
Billkozy  (Level: 279.6 - Posts: 308)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:21 PM

From what hear a scathing attack on her character and incompetence is coming out soon in a Vanity Fair article that interviewed several staffers on the McCain campaign.


bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:22 PM

WW..............!!!!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:24 PM

Yes, what's new? Pretty much everything that is said about her character or her family's character by most in the press is scathing

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:27 PM

I kind of enjoy Huckabee's show. I like it better than Geraldo's.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.9 - Posts: 3777)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 6:56 PM

Better than Geraldo? Now that is damning with faint praise.

Please accept this as a general comment, and not aimed at her in the least little bit. I would say it about anyone in the same circumstance.

Resigning from office, aka Quitting, is a BAD career move for a person wanting to move up. It will haunt a person like a stain that nothing Billy Mays ever peddled could remove. Nothing says don't vote for quite the way bailing out mid-term does. You can spin it any way you want, but roomful of 5th grader could write the ads attacking a person who deserted their post after the public put their trust in them.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 7:12 PM

I agree about the career move.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 7:16 PM

NBC's absolutely super chief political analyst Chuck Todd says she'll be out on a speaking tour filling up her bank account first. Then she'll consider a run for the WH.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 7:19 PM

I'm surprised that MJs death is overshadowing the Palin resignation in the news. I guess I'm just too old to appreciate the impact he has had.
Guess I'll have to reread the TOS. Afraid to say much about anything.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 7:22 PM

Yes, Steve, that seems to be the general criticism. In a kind of speech after the speech she said in short because of the target on her back personally -no dispute about that- the business of Alaska was not getting Done, Incidentally all, of the ethic violation charges brought against her have been dismissed. Bringing the charges costs nothing to those making them but defense has caused debt to her, She is not wealthy. That charge will stay with her but she is young and perhaps her goal is not the next election but the one after that. Don't believe anyone has a clue.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 7:28 PM

I'm not a music follower, Sandy, but I do understand today MJ's huge influence on modern music and the reception of black recording artists. Just like the Beatles we'll be hearing his music for decades.

Palin is just a politician.



felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:01 PM

I think that she's HOTTTTTT!!!!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:02 PM

Felix, good to hear from you.

Was afraid you'd been banned.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:04 PM

I am in 7 States, 1 Republic and from Walgreen's.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:08 PM

Yeah? Who isn't?

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.9 - Posts: 3777)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:12 PM

If what she said is sincere, and I have no reason to say it is not, then I respect that, but now you can add couldn't get it done/could take the pressure to the guns point at her.

"""Bringing the charges costs nothing to those making them but defense has caused debt to her...

I think John Kerry and Al Gore...love them or hate them...can agreet 100% with the sentiment of that statement. There were egregious lies told against both of them.

Modern politics is often a case of repeat a lie often enough and it will become the truth. This is true for all sides of the political fence...none hold the high ground, most can barely raise their heads above the muck.

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.7 - Posts: 2100)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:13 PM

Sarah Palin *must* be hot. One of my elderly clients just asked me last week if I was going to style my hair like hers.

Hmmmmm.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:17 PM

Yes, if you want to criticize you could say that like people say how could anyone with no business experience run banks and auto companies? It is all in your approach

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:19 PM

She looks like a plain jane librarian....not hot.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:19 PM

Which I say because it reminds me of a running comment my son and I have had since he went into the Marines - I thought we were original to it till I heard almost the same thing on House one night.

Any time anyone gives me grief, my son just tells me he knows X number of ways to kill a guy with his bare hands. But every time he's said it, he adds one to it. So by now (and a very frustrating trip to Kwik Kar Oil Change the other day), he's up to about 23 ways to kill a guy with his bare hands.

Then on House last season, after House is swept away by the CIA for a secret mission to help an ill agent, House returns to the hospital and Cuddy of course wants to know where he's been. He can't tell her the truth - but then he DOES tell her the truth because he knows she won't believe him anyway.

As she walks away, House says (and I can't find the quote so I may not get it exactly right), "Now I know how to kill a man with my bare hands." And Cuddy snips back over her shoulder, "Who doesn't!"

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:22 PM

She beats Hillary hands down though, Jeremy

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:22 PM

Sure. some can kill with a look, too!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:23 PM

True Linda, I don't even think Bill touches her!!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:25 PM

Or a phrase... I think ex-gov Palin is very cute. Reminds me of some comedian

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:37 PM

We just think she's pretty because all of our American politicians are pretty ugly. We compare her to Janet Reno and think, wow, she's not so bad!! Check out some of these:

Russian parliament, Alina Kabaeva:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sBBi-c1S7gU/SAYEdGT54rI/AAAAAAAAE2w/OEwS7qiKLYw/s400/aka11.jpg

Prime Minister of the Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko:
http://blog.kievukraine.info/3722.jpg

Or in Italy, the Minister for Equal Opportunity, Mara Rosaria Carfagna:
http://flushrush.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/maria-rosaria.jpg

Sadly, Sarah "pales-in" comparison. Why don't we have politicians like those?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 8:40 PM

Felix, that post was mostly for you. C'mon, really???

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 9:16 PM

Think we should consider taking away men's right to vote. They're obviously swayed by things other than the issues, and cannot control their masculine impulses

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 9:22 PM

Hehe!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 11:02 PM

How quickly you forget she actually came in 3rd place in the1984 Miss Alaska pageant (where she won the award for Miss Congeniality).

She is truly beautiful in the eyes of many.

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 11:52 PM

Palin put the target on her own back.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 3rd Jul '09 11:53 PM

Jeremy's photos were filled with beautiful women.. Sarah is beautiful too. Just don't know what this has to do with politics.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 1:48 AM

I have absolutely nothing to say about this, there, happy Justin ?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 3:31 AM

I am not a particular fan of Palin, Carol, but would be interested in just how she herself put the target on her back. Was it because one of the things she campaigned on is Moral Values and then her teen daughter-not her- got pregnant young and not married? Or was it that she had a Downs Syndrome baby the good brunt of "jokes" and any "smart" woman would have been tested and never that the pregnancy conclud with such a baby? Maybe it was all of the ethics charges that have now been proven groundless. Surely it was the interview with Curic which although she appeared sincere sounded vague or dead wrong on some things. Surely that must be it as until now that is the only concrete complaint any could have had about her until now. Perhaps I misssed something like the fact that she is HIGELY popular personaly among certain circles coupled with the fact she draws crowds to her specches and people seem to like her as a person while admitting see lacks experience. Remember my last sentence was talking about Sarah Palin.Please list the other reasons she put the target on her own back as you obviously have more info on her than I do. Thanks-Linda

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:22 AM

Jeremy, you to will appreciate mature women one day. For now enjoy being young. Palin is hot to me. The librarian look is an acquired taste.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:06 AM

just curious, in a totally non-political way, since I was very happy to have Sarah Palin remain as governor or indeed run for ther White House.

Is there anyone in any country from any party about whom you could say:

'They were right to resign -- not that they'd done anything wrong but because they could not stand the nasty things being said about them?'

if not, and I must say I can't think of one, then resigning now looks at best slightly thin-skinned and one can't say this was an attribute especially associated with her till now.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:32 AM

Sure that is what it looks like to you, Barry, Am so glad this time you dod not put your message in "tacky joke" form. I said before am not a Palin fan but this move was great fodder for those who love to hate her no denying that. Think the 'eractic behavior ' thing was used against Perot who many like his consevative views on spending etc .The attack words were not anthing about his policies or how he might govern, but that he would quit in mid term. Nothing new in politicals-different faces, same old thing

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 8:37 AM

All politicians put the targets on their own backs. They're not forced into the public eye, they seek and energetically pursue power, so the target come with the job.

Heat, meet kitchen.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 8:54 AM

It is said she will be a hot ticket on the speaking circuit. As someone pointed out she is not rich. She also is adamant about not wanting to seek public office and siting her family as a reason. I am glad and tired of hearing about her and fights with comedians. I hope she doesn't seek public office again and humilate herself with lack of experience and intelligence. In short she is another right wing hypocrite we don't need in public office anywhere. Even in far off Alaska, and if she bailed on constituents there why would anyone vote for her again.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:05 AM

Many politician say 'humiliating " things like saying the incorrect numbrer states we have in the US but the press chooses what humiliating thing they want to cover ad naseum and what they want to kind of forget about. Some we are stuck with for a time at least and looks like with Palin we nor the people of Alaska are-whoever put the target on her back

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.3 - Posts: 2671)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:06 AM

I have also heard it surmised that she's doing it for the money. Apparently (not verified by me) she is unable to collect big fees speaking while being governor, but as a non-governor she should easily be able to be booked for a year at $50,000-$100,000 per talk/appearance. As a woman who did not grow up wealthy, that would be quite a lure for her. Or maybe she's going to have a two-woman show on Broadway with Tine Fey.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:06 AM

This thread is a bit like playing with fire. I posted the way I feel.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:11 AM

All Possibilities. When anyone is SURE please share it

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:24 AM

I think it will be very interesting, what comes out, in the next few weeks. Seems to me, something is fishy here, for a elected offical to abandon, the people that elected her, this way.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:26 AM

I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she's going to dedicate herself to family, stay home with those baby boys and send Bristol to college.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:29 AM

There is more often than not a public agenda and a private agenda for anyone who has chosen the field of politics.,. as she said yesterday good idea to keep your "eye on the ball"and ot be distracted by what anyone SAYS.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:30 AM

Very true.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:34 AM

My predicter (next to my shriveled thyroid gland) says there will be a senator seat in her future. She can do more for the party there IMO.

Also, I don't believe she is lacking in intelligence - only lacking in experience with the media. She will keep her own style but learn to deal with those who think of it as their job to show her in as negative a light as possible.

She does have huge legal fees to pay - incurred, as she said, just in proving she had done nothing wrong. All ethics investigations proved to be foundless, but as she said, it doesn't cost them anything to make foundless charges against her. It only costs her to provide the proof of innocence.



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:45 AM

I am thankful on this person that the media exposed some of her weaknesses. I disagree with your assessment of her intelligence and I found her to be grating and insipid. However maybe she was just playing it dumb for the cameras. I wonder did you see the same interviews I saw?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:50 AM

You're right Felix, we all have our own tastes in these matters.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:50 AM

Not dumb, I'm sure. Not media savvy, for sure.
Thanks Justin, for allowing political discussion to resume. It was just weird when folks were getting everything deleted.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:51 AM

Bobo - I guess I'm kind of playing to my own weaknesses. I've said some really dumb things under pressure before.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 9:52 AM

Boy, who hasn't?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 10:05 AM

And there is also the issue that what some consider weakness others consider strenght. I am not SURE of anyting as to her motives for quiting or her future plans or aspiratiions Am sure that she made a dumb a statement(s) that has been used endlessly against her to the delight of those who simply LOVE to HATE her. I am trying to keep my eye on the ball and not listening to what someone says who currently affects my life greatly-Palin does not don't have a clue if she ever will.)

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 10:24 AM

I dumb things with no pressure at all!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 2:06 PM

Bobo, she didn't know the answers, but she's not stupid.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 2:15 PM

Well, Andy
I saw Bulls and Bear on Fox Noise. opps, I meant Fox News. Can you believe they are mostly she she is the voice of reason for the Republican. I really can't quite understand their reasoning for saying that

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 2:30 PM

I don't have a dog in that fight, Beverly.

Palin's greatest plus is that she more than just about anyone understands the energy situation. She's lived it there in Alaska and managed it well for her state.

Other than that she's a cultural conservative and pretty much a blank check on other issues.

She didn't know the national issues last year and so she sounded just plain out of it at times. If she studies up, we'll hear what she has to say.

I rather think the Republicans will regroup around opposition to Obama's policiies where they can score points. However, I'd prefer that he not give them so many openings.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 3:42 PM

Think you hit it on that one, Andy, the next elections whether local, state, or national will mostly be a vote AGAINST rather than a vote in FAVOR . I am keeping track at all levels who supported what- doesn't matter a bit what they chose to call themselves

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 4:00 PM

Perhaps, Linda.

It's July now. It officially becomes Obama's economy in three months.

The depression doesn't show signs of anything but deepening, and he shows no signs of addressing it.

If he gets on top of this problem, the next election could be an affirmation.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 4:50 PM

Andy, I will agree that maybe the media focused on her negatives. However, when running for the second highest post in the country one should take the time and effort to study the major issues. The candidate should have a stand and be able to support their views on all the issues not just their home state. If you can't stand the heat of candidacy get out of the kitchen. That is the media's job to ask questions and she should have been well versed on the issues. If all the public remembers is negative then it is up to the candidate to change that.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:00 PM

In my mind it is HIS now when he wants to change my health care and put a tax on EvERYONE with this riculous cap and trade. India, China and Russia are not going to do thing about "green'" and it does not make a dent in climate change if it exists or man causes it. If this monster somehow gets through the idiots who don't read things -have the list of few Republicans in the House who voted for- we will lose companies which actually DO create jobs to some foreign country. Take a good look at the unemployment number in Spain his model for "Green": or how happy Canadians are with their health care. Watch the ball not the lips

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:12 PM

I don't disagree in any way, Bobo.

McCain needed to shake up the race and he did for a moment, but as hard as she studied and prepared answers, she just wasn't ready for Washington and national issues.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:25 PM

Which raises the question of why she was ever chosen in the first place.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:38 PM

Just for perspective: Obama hung in there as a US Senator but was seldom if ever in the Senate as he was everywhere but CAMPAIGNING. As to the reason Palin was picked: The selection of Palin actually bumped McCain's numbers over those of Obama for a short period picking her had a positive effect and that is probably the reason she was.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:42 PM

Oh, so it WASN'T because she was the best person to be a heartbeat from the presidency, ready to lead the free world in a crisis? Had nothing at all to do with her fitness for the job. Gotcha.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:50 PM

Wasn't she very pretty? Isn't that enough?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:53 PM

Donna, she was chosen because polls showed that the other options were not going to help McCain at all.

It was a shot in the dark.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 5:55 PM

McCain never consulted me personallly on anything nor did anyone running his campaign . I just noted that his poll numbers rose after she was chosen and "speculted" that they might have considered her a plus as obviously the people responding to the polls did. This whole thread has been pretty much about 'speculation' as no one is SURE of aything

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:00 PM

Actually, Linda, from the analysts I saw and see on NBC and CNN, we had and have pretty good info on this.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:02 PM

The rise in the poll numbers reflected the farther righters coming back into the fold, I thought. More a sign of McCain's UNpopularity with his own party that a positive for her, no? She never extended McCain's appeal beyond the party base, which was what he needed to have a chance.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:08 PM

Nice smile and excellent READER also helpful Perhaps she doesn't read well at a distance .. dunno

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:14 PM

Glad you and the folks that analyze at CNN and NBC know as no one else close to her seems to be venturing to give her "FOR SURE" reason- Maybe Salon has the inside scoop

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:41 PM

I'll wait for Monday. Keith Olbermann will tell me.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:47 PM

She was unknown, unqualified and undeserving. Now maybe she will ride off into the Alaskan sunset and never be heard from again.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:48 PM

What kind of odds are you offering?

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:49 PM

Just 50-50

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 6:59 PM

Not good enough. Still in benefit of the doubt territory.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 7:02 PM

Yep! She's hot alright!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 8:33 PM


smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 4th Jul '09 11:45 PM

Ah, yes. The country needs her to unite us along conservative lines. That'll be quite a trick.

Breathless.



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 12:25 AM

True conservatives (which is not synonymous with Republicans) love her because of her views on abortion, states rights, taxes, the economy, national defense, and energy. Simple as that.

McCain was the kind of Republican moderates say they could support - someone much more in the middle (in my opinion, quite liberal except for national defense).

And yet when he was given the chance to be the candidate, those moderates didn't show up for him.

McCain is NOT the kind of Republican that conservatives could support, so many of them talked of staying home - which is exactly why he chose Palin. She was the candidate who brought him MANY conservative votes he would not have had otherwise.

Palin is immensely popular in the vast majority of states in the US. But those majority of states are not the majority of the population, so the elites find joy in mocking her, and will continue to do so.

Because the media is so vastly against her, they will never show her in any kind of positive light. And enough people follow whatever the media tells them to believe. The liberal media is merciless and cruel. And yet other politicians they like do and say absolutely stupid things and it's just laughed off like they're all best friends (nothing Palin EVER said even scratches the surface of the stupid things Joe Biden has done and said just since being sworn in.)

Palin doesn't have a chance on the national front, it doesn't matter if she answered every question perfectly and accurately and quickly. As long as her answers support a conservative belief, her answers will NEVER be the right answers for the media. And their mocking will never end.

Now - my guess the real reason Palin stepped down is that the Letterman mess was the final straw. She and her husband truly do love their family and are fiercely loyal and protective of them. I think the reason the entire family was for her stepping down immediately is because they want to protect their children from the endless, insane mocking and attacking - which finally put her 12 year old daughter in the position Letterman put her in (unknowingly thinking it was the 18 year old). Nonetheless, that 12 year old girl goes to school with children whose parents watch Letterman too, and there's no telling what that poor child was put through at school. I think Palin and her husband said - enough!

cujgie
Cujgie  (Level: 173.4 - Posts: 754)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 1:34 AM

>Because the media is so vastly against her, they will never show her in any kind of positive light.<

I don't allow the media to make up my mind. When Sarah Palin showed up on the scene, as a woman, I gave her an honest look. Her acceptance speech was well-done, and I got excited about her. But I kept watching her and did my best to continually assess her words and behavior. She herself, not the media dissing her, failed to remain at the standard I believed this country needed for leadership.

She still had a chance to redeem herself in my eyes for 2012. That chance ended on Friday, July 3, 2009.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 2:01 AM

Carol, I respect you a lot for every line of your post.

I voted for neither McCain/Palin nor Obama/Biden.

I wrote in the candidate I truly wanted to win. In the eyes of the world, I wasted my vote. But I could not in good conscience vote for any of the people on the ballot, and so far I'm not the kind of person who can merely vote "against" someone.

I'm sitting here looking out the sunroom windows, and there are still people shooting gorgeous fireworks. Now, as earlier when I watched fireworks with my family tonight, we couldn't help but wonder what our country will look like on July 4 of 2010. Tonight, nationally, almost 1 person out of 10 doesn't have a job but wants one. All around my area are houses that have been for sale or rent for months - but sit empty. (And we're very lucky here - Texas has one of the best economies in the nation - but we somehow don't get used as an example of a successful state that the country could emulate.)

I ache for people who are hurting and I worry that policies are being enacted that won't truly help them, but may in fact end up hurting them more and which may even end up adding to the numbers of hurting people.

There's nothing I'd like more than to be wrong about it. Only many months (and maybe years) will prove one way or the other.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 5:18 AM

It appears that the constant harassment of lawsuits was a major factor in her decision to step down.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 7:43 AM

If her decision is , indeed, to run and maybe surprisingly to some,. I hope she does not .I will make this prtediction. It wil be ANOTHER endless campaign as there is fodder on both sides to fuel; huge flames. The novelty of Obama has worn really thin really soon so believe the hands off there will stop too and he just might be PRESSED to give actual numbers and what he positive changes he has atually made and what he has actually accomplished rather than what he SAYS which is a vision or a dream Just MO

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:33 AM

To take it back to the topic for a moment, I found this "top ten" list interesting:

http://thepage.time.com/halperins-take-10-possible-reasons-for-palins-decision/

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:41 AM

She's made herself irrelevant, for now, politically by quitting the only real office she's ever held. Being mayor of Wasilla doesn't count on the national scene. I'm not sure how she will square that with voters in the long run. A try for a Senate seat in Alaska might work in the future, I guess we'll see. That won't remove the perceived target off her back. I imagine it will become more clear in the coming days and weeks....

I'm not a fan of her politics, but I do agree she's a very pretty woman!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:43 AM

Interesting list.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:52 AM

I can see that she may not have been wise to risk running again, and would've been severely injured politically if she ran and lost, but that doesn't explain why she didn't fulfill her commitment.

At any rate, the poor woman needs some down time, she must be frazzled.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 9:49 AM

Smoke, if she needs downtime from her frazzle inducing experiences then she certainly isn't capable of handling the REAL pressure cooker environment of national office. The woman is simply not qualified. Nothing she has accomplished to date has earned her the right to climb the political ladder. Odds are 5 to 1 Smoke that she will prove, in the next few years, just how inept and naive she really is.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 10:06 AM

She definitely needs to improve her reading at a distance

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 10:14 AM

And up close, as well.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 11:28 AM

Just wrong, Don.


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